Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Pussyhands

I really don't understand the walk in centres. They're closing on Wednesday. What's the point of bringing them in when we're at a rather low positivity rate?

Bring them in last May? No.

Bring them in last November? No.

Bring them in last January? No.

Bring them in for a week in March when our cases have dropped 95% from the peak and positivity rate is 3.5%? Yes.

lawred2

darem93 wrote: »

Seeing the UK reopening ahead of us was always going to be a bitter pill to swallow, but it coming on top of all the negativity and fearmongering coming out this week makes it even harder.

Yes of course their vaccine rollout is miles ahead of ours, but that is not the fault of the Irish public. This is why people are fed up of the constant finger pointing and blame game. The reason for these ridiculous and prolonged restrictions are a slow vaccine rollout and a poorly managed health service that seems to become "overran" way too easily, not "play dates" between children and people sitting in pubs and cafes that haven't been open in months...

These clear and obvious points never seems to find their way to a government politician or representative of the HSE/NPHET though.

Media doing a grand job.

As for the opposition... Good grief.

lawred2

Pussyhands wrote: »

I really don't understand the walk in centres. They're closing on Wednesday. What's the point of bringing them in when we're at a rather low positivity rate?

Bring them in last May? No.

Bring them in last November? No.

Bring them in last January? No.

Bring them in for a week in March when our cases have dropped 95% from the peak and positivity rate is 3.5%? Yes.

Desperate attempt to boost case numbers.

Busi_Girl08

honda boi wrote: »

Ye moving to the house is fairly confident it's all above board.
I see the issue is getting stuff for the house. There's nothing in the house. No appliances, furniture. Pre covid not an issue getting 2nd hand bargains. Now though it seems we all need to get brand new stuff, which is not financially possible.

Ye not sure what we going to do as it means that we need to buy everything brand new to make it legal. Which is insane.

I've been busting my arse all year to be compliant with the restrictions, but if a guard told me off for trying to collect furnishings for my new home I would tell them where to go and argue it in court. We're not talking about going for a jolly around Home Store and More here.

I would also argue that the collection of appliances/furnishings would all be under the banner of "moving home".

Busi_Girl08

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I've been busting my arse all year to be compliant with the restrictions, but if a guard told me off for trying to collect furnishings for my new home I would tell them where to go and argue it in court. We're not talking about going for a jolly around Home Store and More here.

I would also argue that the collection of appliances/furnishings would all be under the banner of "moving home".

You can't even buy cutlery at the moment so I believe going to court would be quite quixotic.

violator13

Hellrazer wrote: »

Checkpoint outbound on the N4 again from this morning. Looks like theyre setting up for a few days / weeks.

Very convenient that its there the day before an announcement - Id say its to stop a mass exodus from Dublin this weekend - meanwhile us ordinary working people will have to put up with hours of delays trying to get home.

Disgraceful that theyve went back to this sh1t while we`re on the final stretch.

Yes it seems like they are back up alright
I live in swords and they have set up the road checks again around here .

j@utis

Pussyhands wrote: »

I really don't understand the walk in centres. They're closing on Wednesday. What's the point of bringing them in when we're at a rather low positivity rate?

Bring them in last May? No.

Bring them in last November? No.

Bring them in last January? No.

Bring them in for a week in March when our cases have dropped 95% from the peak and positivity rate is 3.5%? Yes.

I absolutely disgusted hearing this on the radio couple weeks ago "you should go in and get tested even if you have no symptoms", it was "just go in for a crack of it" sort of thing, and if you're positive - that's great to keep those case numbers going

Storm 10

Were being told they wont be happy to ease restrictions until the cases drop below 500, well hello if you take out Dublin we are doing below that magic figure but sure NEPHET will not do that they will keep us locked down for as long as they want to

Klonker

If it is unfortunately 6 weeks until the next review, which would be 17th May, I'd like to see as part of the announcement on Tuesday reference to where they estimate us to be by 17th May in terms of vaccinations and what that would mean for us in terms of case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths.

For example, I think its reasonable to expect vaccines groupings as far as group 7 to have received at least a first dose by then. That would mean all over 70s and all 16+ of very high risk and 16+ of high risk. That's a rough guide of where I think we'll could be but obviously NPHET should be able to give more accurate data in terms of first and second doses. From that they should be able to estimate how much this take off our R number compared to if nobody was vaccinated. They should be able to tell us how many they'd expect to end up in hospital per 1,000 cases and how many would die from those 1,000 cases. And explain how they came to these figures, not like the throwaway comment '35 hospitalised for every 1,000 cases after elderly and vulnerable hospitalised' from Leo and Ronan Glynn, where it wasn't mentioned what groupings they meant by the elderly and vulnerable and where it wasn't explained how less than 35 of 1,000 cases now of under are hospitalised and but this will somehow increase once the vulnerable are vaccinated

If we know what we are working towards with these lockdowns, what groups we are protecting and by what numbers I think there could be a lot more buy in. At the moment, even if they aren't being dishonest to us a lot of people think they are as they are not being up front with us. Same as now with the slight increase in cases. Be honest and say its more than likely due to the fact we are testing 20,000 extra a week and it's more of a plateau than an increase but they are very slow to say this, the scarier is always the tactic they go for.

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

Desperate attempt to boost case numbers.

Christ Almighty.

j@utis

j@utis wrote: »

I absolutely disgusted hearing this on the radio couple weeks ago "you should go in and get tested even if you have no symptoms", it was "just go in for a crack of it" sort of thing, and if you're positive - that's great to keep those case numbers going

F*ucking Hell

lawred2

Deleted User wrote: »

Christ Almighty.

Indeed.

Aph2016

Checkpoints are back on the N7, interesting, 5km limit not being scrapped?

growleaves

Deleted User wrote: »

Got a promotion too last week, 2021 has been a oddly great year professionally too.

Keep falling upwards, eh?

Congratulations.

the kelt

Klonker wrote: »

If it is unfortunately 6 weeks until the next review, which would be 17th May, I'd like to see as part of the announcement on Tuesday reference to where they estimate us to be by 17th May in terms of vaccinations and what that would mean for us in terms of case numbers, hospitalisations and deaths.

For example, I think its reasonable to expect vaccines groupings as far as group 7 to have received at least a first dose by then. That would mean all over 70s and all 16+ of very high risk. That's a rough guide of where I think we'll could be but obviously NPHET should be able to give more accurate data in terms of first and second doses. From that they should be able to estimate how much this take off out R number compared to if nobody was vaccinated. They should be able to tell us how many they'd expect to end up in hospital per 1,000 cases and how many would die from those 1,000 cases. And explain how they came to these figures, not like the throwaway comment '35 hospitalised for every 1,000 cases after elderly and vulnerable hospitalised' from Leo and Ronan Glynn, where it wasn't mentioned what groupings they meant by the elderly and vulnerable and where it wasn't explained how less than 35 of 1,000 cases now of under are hospitalised and but this will somehow increase once the vulnerable are vaccinated

If we know what we are working towards with these lockdowns, what groups we are protecting and by what numbers I think there could be a lot more buy in. At the moment, even if they aren't being dishonest to us a lot of people think they are as they are not being up front with us. Same as now with the slight increase in cases. Be honest and say its more than likely due to the fact we are testing 20,000 extra a week and it's more of a plateau than an increase but they are very slow to say this, the scarier is always the tactic they go for.

All you say is possible, its even necessary imho.

But i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for that kind of information to be honest.

We have people here defending restrictions who didnt think it was appropriate at the time asking for details of how many are being vaccinated etc.

I fully expect another sparkling media performance taking the mushroom growing approach. Throw in a little bit of populace fear and guilt to garnish things and a rehash of the "arrah sure we'll see" approach.

honda boi

Busi_Girl08 wrote: »

I've been busting my arse all year to be compliant with the restrictions, but if a guard told me off for trying to collect furnishings for my new home I would tell them where to go and argue it in court. We're not talking about going for a jolly around Home Store and More here.

I would also argue that the collection of appliances/furnishings would all be under the banner of "moving home".

Same as yourself, me and the family been compliant with these restrictions.
Kids absolutely sick of doing there usual activities through zoom.
Lost my job the end of last year due to covid and now they don't let people travel to pick up 2nd hand goods, brilliant it is.
And another thing is technically I can't ask any friends or family for help moving as there further then 5km from me. So it will be fun moving stuff with 3 kids on my own.

gmisk

Storm 10 wrote: »

Were being told they wont be happy to ease restrictions until the cases drop below 500, well hello if you take out Dublin we are doing below that magic figure but sure NEPHET will not do that they will keep us locked down for as long as they want to

Last time I checked Dublin was part of Ireland....it's also NPHET...not NEPHET. They only provide advice it is up to the government to implement or not.

facehugger99

honda boi wrote: »

Same as yourself, me and the family been compliant with these restrictions.
Kids absolutely sick of doing there usual activities through zoom.
Lost my job the end of last year due to covid and now they don't let people travel to pick up 2nd hand goods, brilliant it is.
And another thing is technically I can't ask any friends or family for help moving as there further then 5km from me. So it will be fun moving stuff with 3 kids on my own.

Being 'compliant with the restrictions' is not what will get us out of this. We are one of the most suppressed nations on the planet. The Government have handed all control over to a body of unelected, single-issue zealots.

It's about time people woke up and stopped blindly following the nonsensical bollox they're coming out with.

It is our country and our children's futures that is being systematically destroyed - the politicians and bureaucrats are all well insulated from any of the economic sh;tstorm that is coming.

Hoping that if we're all good little boys and girls they'll throw us a few crumbs in not working.

Apoapsis Rex

gmisk wrote: »

Last time I checked Dublin was part of Ireland....it's also NPHET...not NEPHET. They only provide advice it is up to the government to implement or not.

According to government sources via the independent nphet will have the sway. And notice construction is not mentioned..

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/six-moreweeks-of-lockdown-likely-as-covid-figures-remain-stubbornly-high-40249787.html

km79

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

According to government sources via the independent nphet will have the sway. And notice construction is not mentioned..

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/six-moreweeks-of-lockdown-likely-as-covid-figures-remain-stubbornly-high-40249787.html

I think/hope it’s bundled in with “outdoor activity “
I’m getting less and less optimistic now though tbh

Rte have the same actually but so mention construction as part of outdoor activity
“Phased return”

titan18

A 6 week review is fecking ridiculous too. There should be reviews every 3 weeks. So much for being lead by data not dates if you go with a 6 week review before doing anything again.

Pussyhands

Government and NPHET just hide behind each other to defend their decisions.

"NPHET told us we must do X, so they're the experts and we have to do it!"

"Government are responsible for the economy, we only give health advice!"

It's a cosy little thing they have going on because both of them can fob off responsibility and blame.

Pussyhands

titan18 wrote: »

A 6 week review is fecking ridiculous too. There should be reviews every 3 weeks. So much for being lead by data not dates if you go with a 6 week review before doing anything again.

If a 6 week review is good enough then why are the NPHET nerds out every day giving daily briefings?

RobitTV

NPHET Meet To Discuss Current Level 5 Restrictions

- NPHET is set to meet this afternoon to decide what restrictions can be eased from the 5th April. :pac::pac: (Link)

Will Tony Holohan or Ronan Glynn be addressing the nation tomorrow when NPHET have decided on the path forward?

The next general election will be interesting. I wonder how the newly formed NPHET political party will do in the opinion polls. I wonder will they take votes away from Fine Gael. We could have a real nail bitter on our hands!

Don't forget about the debates. Holohan could be the new Ronald Regan of the debate stage :P

Pussyhands

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

The difference is NPHET are completely correct to point out they're only giving health advice while the government are passing their job on to an advisory body.

I'd have far more sympathy for NPHET than for government.

No, this idea that NPHET only gives public health advice needs to die.

If they only gave public health advice, do they also say we should ban ICE cars, ban smoking, ban fast food, ban sugary drinks etc.?

OwenM

Pussyhands wrote: »

I really don't understand the walk in centres. They're closing on Wednesday. What's the point of bringing them in when we're at a rather low positivity rate?

Bring them in last May? No.

Bring them in last November? No.

Bring them in last January? No.

Bring them in for a week in March when our cases have dropped 95% from the peak and positivity rate is 3.5%? Yes.

Micheal Martin is the most indecisive dithering politician in Irish history. He was lambasted for commissioning hundreds of reports while he was minister for health. He did this so he could delay a decision for years or months, blame someone else for his decisions and in effect outsource those decisions.

NPHET is a dream come true, experts producing weekly reports, RTE happy to blast them out. The pop up centres are for generating propaganda/data (another report) to justify further lockdown which is the only thing our one trick pony (NPHET) can do.

BrianD3

Any "easing" of the 5 km limit is nonsensical, let's say it is eased to 10 km who does that benefit. It benefits those who want to exercise more than 5 km and less than 10 km from their homes. One of the most pathetic aspects of the pandemic response has been the misrepresentation, misinterpretation and fudging of the regulations. 5 km limit is exercise only. You can leave your house and travel as far as you want if it is on the list of essential journeys or if the authorities deem you to have a "reasonable excuse" :rolleyes: But if you're not on an essential journey, don't have a reasonable excuse and are not exercising, you shouldn't be leaving your house.

Wait for the spin here - if they "let" :rolleyes: us travel more than 5 km it won't be spelled out that this applies to exercise only. In the short term it suits the government and authorities to perpetuate ambiguity, in the long term it just perpetuates the "ah shur..." attitude to the law.

As an aside, we still don't know if any journey to an essential service provider/retailer is an essential journey.

McDonalds drive thru is open
If I travel to McDonalds and it is less than 5 km is this ok because of some sort of fudge about "exercise"
Or maybe it's ok to go once it is within my county
Or would it fall under the catch all of reasonable excuse

Absolute bullsh*t. They're relying on law abiding people not being sure what they can and can't do and erring on the side of caution. If people aren't sure whether they can go to McDonalds or not they're not going to risk encountering a grumpy Garda and risking a fine/court for the sake of a Big Mac.

gmisk

Apoapsis Rex wrote: »

According to government sources via the independent nphet will have the sway. And notice construction is not mentioned..

https://m.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/six-moreweeks-of-lockdown-likely-as-covid-figures-remain-stubbornly-high-40249787.html

Government sources will float whatever they think will get them re-elected/cover their @rses it is as simple as that.
They have a choice with regards NPHET advice is my point.

scamalert

Earlier this month Fr PJ Hughes, parish priest for Mullahoran, in Co Cavan, was issued with a €500 fine for celebrating Mass in his local church while several people were present.


He had been reported a number of times to gardaí over parishioners gathering for a service in his church.

talk about dopes and history never repeating, its amazing what compliance can be achieved in less then a year :cool:

gmisk

BrianD3 wrote: »

Any "easing" of the 5 km limit is nonsensical, let's say it is eased to 10 km who does that benefit. It benefits those who want to exercise more than 5 km and less than 10 km from their homes. One of the most pathetic aspects of the pandemic response has been the misrepresentation, misinterpretation and fudging of the regulations. 5 km limit is exercise only. You can leave your house and travel as far as you want if it is on the list of essential journeys or if the authorities deem you to have a "reasonable excuse" :rolleyes: But if you're not on an essential journey, don't have a reasonable excuse and are not exercising, you shouldn't be leaving your house.

Wait for the spin here - if they "let" :rolleyes: us travel more than 5 km it won't be spelled out that this applies to exercise only. In the short term it suits the government and authorities to perpetuate ambiguity, in the long term it just perpetuates the "ah shur..." attitude to the law.

As an aside, we still don't know if any journey to an essential service provider/retailer is an essential journey.

McDonalds drive thru is open
If I travel to McDonalds and it is less than 5 km is this ok because of some sort of fudge about "exercise"
Or maybe it's ok to go once it is within my county
Or would it fall under the catch all of reasonable excuse

Absolute bullsh*t. They're relying on law abiding people not being sure what they can and can't do and erring on the side of caution. If people aren't sure whether they can go to McDonalds or not they're not going to risk encountering a grumpy Garda and risking a fine/court for the sake of a Big Mac.

Lot to unpack there....but let's start with the bit in bold.
Your allowed outside the 5k to purchase food...so what do you think?

You would need the exercise if you are going to McDonald's regularly to be fair.....