Average speed cameras on M7

pippip

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

The vans here can do rear number plates also - I know because my Mum got a speeding ticket years ago and it was clearly the back of the car they photographed.

The vans can only read plates coming towards or away from the rear of the van.

If a bike is coming towards the rear of the van (camera) there's no plate to read but if the bike is going away from the rear of the van it can read it. (assuming those terrible tax discs haven't slipped again....awful design )

From the images I've seen of the cameras on the M7 I think bikes are safe.

ratracer

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

The vans here can do rear number plates also - I know because my Mum got a speeding ticket years ago and it was clearly the back of the car they photographed.

Correct! They can record your reg no if you are driving away from the rear window of the van..

Time to get plates on the front of bikes then. They’re the biggest offenders on the road.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Time to get plates on the front of bikes then. They’re the biggest offenders on the road.

Haha, where would you suggest?

Maybe a plate instead of headlights..

Stihl waters

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Must be a nightmare for truck drivers having someone tail you so closely for so long on a motorway!!!

That doesn't bother me as they're behind me, it's the numptys that can't merge onto motorways at more than 90 km an hour that pull out in front of you while doing 86 causing me to break the law and move into the overtaking lane to pass them out, although if they don't make an attempt to merge I'll hold my line and make them stay in until they either speed up or slip in behind me, if you're on a motorway doing less than 90 you should probably use the old roads

newmember2

pippip wrote: »

Do you mean 'run off' area through a concrete wall?

pippip wrote: »

The vans can only read plates coming towards or away from the rear of the van.

If a bike is coming towards the rear of the van (camera) there's no plate to read but if the bike is going away from the rear of the van it can read it. (assuming those terrible tax discs haven't slipped again....awful design )

From the images I've seen of the cameras on the M7 I think bikes are safe.

I dunno how many times I have to post this but I've been done before on a bike where I was driving away from the front of the van.

pippip

newmember? wrote: »

Do you mean 'run off' area through a concrete wall?




I dunno how many times I have to post this but I've been done before on a bike where I was driving away from the front of the van.

Yes, in 120 zone you have run off area, no concrete wall there. Concrete wall starts where 100 zone starts.

Did you get a photo? I can't see how as all the radars and camera equipment are pointing out the back. I know there's a few people on here who have good knowledge about them so may be able to correctly say what's possible.

ratracer

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Time to get plates on the front of bikes then. They’re the biggest offenders on the road.

Now, now....... don’t be jealous

ratracer

ratracer wrote: »

Now, now....... don’t be jealous

Strange breed.

newmember2

pippip wrote: »

Yes, in 120 zone you have run off area, no concrete wall there. Concrete wall starts where 100 zone starts.

Most motorways will have either concrete wall or narrow verge with tensioned wire fence on central median no?

pippip wrote: »

Did you get a photo? I can't see how as all the radars and camera equipment are pointing out the back. I know there's a few people on here who have good knowledge about them so may be able to correctly say what's possible.

Yes, photo of reg plate on the FCPN...I couldn't believe it. It's possibly 7 or 8 years ago now.

newmember?

newmember? wrote: »

Do you mean 'run off' area through a concrete wall?



I dunno how many times I have to post this but I've been done before on a bike where I was driving away from the front of the van.

What's your point? That's how it works .


The camera is on the back of the van. If there is a van with its rear to you as you pass it then you will not be caught speeding on a bike.

I'f a van is on the other side of the road parked 180° the opposite way, it can catch you as you drive away on the opposite side of the road and it can see you rear plate.

I assume if there is a high volume of cars on its side of the road this would make a difference as to whether it could detect you on the opposite side.

For a speed van on a motorway to catch you on a bike and it was parked on your side of the road it would have to be parked backwards, i.e facing towards you.

However if on a bike you would want to be a clown to be caught this way as you can slow down before you ever pass the back of a van on the other side of the road.

Darc19

pippip wrote: »

That's not a "motorway runoff", it's there to allow a further lane in future without having to remake the bridges.

It is always advisable to get into the left side hard shoulder is anything goes amiss

pippip

Darc19 wrote: »

That's not a "motorway runoff", it's there to allow a further lane in future without having to remake the bridges.

It is always advisable to get into the left side hard shoulder is anything goes amiss

And if that third lane goes in then maybe the speed limit will drop.

And on point two it's also advisable to come to a slow controlled stop but sh!te happens and if it does at 120 which is safer a concrete barrier or a green run off area beside you.

The Continental Op

I'm fairly sure that before it was necessary to use up the extra land taken up by wide grass central reservations motorways with them were considered safer than without. For example a large truck can just drive straight through a lot of motorway barriers and hit oncoming traffic. The large grass areas reduce the chance of that by a big margin.

newmember2

Naya Immense Penalty wrote: »

What's your point? That's how it works ..

You quoted the post...maybe read it again?

Darc19

pippip wrote: »

And if that third lane goes in then maybe the speed limit will drop.

And on point two it's also advisable to come to a slow controlled stop but sh!te happens and if it does at 120 which is safer a concrete barrier or a green run off area beside you.

Of course it's better to go onto a green area, but it is not a "run off" area. Suggesting such would almost encourage some fools to stop on it to change a tyre.

It's a central reservation and the primary reason is to future proof the motorway for a third lane. If it means in the meantime someone can avoid a collision, that's a bonus.

The Continental Op

Darc19 wrote: »

Of course it's better to go onto a green area, but it is not a "run off" area. Suggesting such would almost encourage some fools to stop on it to change a tyre.

It's a central reservation and the primary reason is to future proof the motorway for a third lane. If it means in the meantime someone can avoid a collision, that's a bonus.

My understanding is that thinking has changed over the years on that score. While I believe the original idea behind wide central reservations was safety the need for more lanes has made them a bonus for future proofing.

pippip

Darc19 wrote: »

Of course it's better to go onto a green area, but it is not a "run off" area. Suggesting such would almost encourage some fools to stop on it to change a tyre.

A run off area in motorsport is an area where if a car leaves the course it won't hit anything. Don't know where you're getting the impression it's somewhere anyone would intentionally end up.

I think you're confusing that with sitdown area, layby or hard shoulder

Johnrazz

Seen these today for the first time. Don’t think they’re live yet are they? Wasn’t getting much people to slow down anyways

The Continental Op

Johnrazz wrote: »

Seen these today for the first time. Don’t think they’re live yet are they? Wasn’t getting much people to slow down anyways

I drive fairly regularly in the UK and they were a little slow to catch on over there but they certainly take them a lot more seriously now.

Went through several last week (most were for 50mph) and hardly anyone was doing over the limit. Using the speed off my satnav and sticking to the limit I was overtaking a lot of cars.

Just wait to the tickets start to drop through letter boxes.

Damien360

Johnrazz wrote: »

Seen these today for the first time. Don’t think they’re live yet are they? Wasn’t getting much people to slow down anyways

Curious about this also. I was on that stretch a couple of weeks ago early morning and I reckon I was one of the few cars sticking to the limit. It’s quite a long stretch of road near Birdhill covered. A few faster cars exited westbound at Birdhill itself but the gantry is before the exit. Eastbound later that day was far more compliant.

Johnrazz

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The Continental Op wrote: »

I drive fairly regularly in the UK and they were a little slow to catch on over there but they certainly take them a lot more seriously now.

Went through several last week (most were for 50mph) and hardly anyone was doing over the limit. Using the speed off my satnav and sticking to the limit I was overtaking a lot of cars.

Just wait to the tickets start to drop through letter boxes.

Oh 100% correct yeah. Just was wondering were they live yet? Don’t remember hearing anything about it and they normally announce it don’t they. Funnily I only see one set on each side, didn’t notice the second.

frozenfrozen

Someone passed me today in it at easily 160+ in the rain

Another van about an inch behind a car going through it

Then the madness 10 seconds after it ends with people doing mad speed to make up the time or to overtake anyone back who overtook them inside the average zone...

zg3409

M50 is getting variable speed limit electronic signs. They were testing some last week. M50 has regular fixed vans in 100km and 120km zones, only regular in past 6 months.

I don't agree with average speed limit zones unless you are 100% warned you will be fined such as a warning letter first, then a fine, then points. Many cars don't have cruise control and many people will pass through these twice a day. They really need to be on dangerous stretches like they were on the old Dundalk Newry road which was lethal.

If they rolled them out on all motorways then at least they would be fair warning, but the odd location seems like money grabbing. Motorways are typically the safest roads.

Johnrazz

I can only find articles saying they’re in the testing stage, presumably that means they aren’t sending out fines yet?

Mimon

frozenfrozen wrote: »

Someone passed me today in it at easily 160+ in the rain

Another van about an inch behind a car going through it

Then the madness 10 seconds after it ends with people doing mad speed to make up the time or to overtake anyone back who overtook them inside the average zone...

These are the numpties who we need to get off the roads, not the people cruising at 130 in good conditions.

Was very heavy showers at times today so slowed down to 110 at times.

The 120kph limit is a blunt instrument. Variable ones depending on the conditions makes more sense. E.g. 130 good conditions, 120 light rain, 110 heavy rain.

mikeecho

The Continental Op wrote: »

I drive fairly regularly in the UK and they were a little slow to catch on over there but they certainly take them a lot more seriously now.

Went through several last week (most were for 50mph) and hardly anyone was doing over the limit. Using the speed off my satnav and sticking to the limit I was overtaking a lot of cars.

Just wait to the tickets start to drop through letter boxes.

The tickets won't come.. they never did for me.. I was doing the ferry dash, and blasted thru a few 40mph specs zones, doing 70+mph

brucky

If they are to be welcomed by the virtue signing brigade I have one very simple question. They have been around in other countries for a while.

Can anyone provide any statically based evidence that they have saved lives or reduced accidents? Simple before and after stats would suffice.

irishgrover

brucky wrote: »

If they are to be welcomed by the virtue signing brigade I have one very simple question. They have been around in other countries for a while.

Can anyone provide any statically based evidence that they have saved lives or reduced accidents? Simple before and after stats would suffice.

Have the non woke brigade lost the ability to use the internet/search engines unsupervised?

whippet

This research (behind a paywall .. but you can see some citations) indicates that there is a decent enough drop in traffic related injuries and fatalities since the introduction of the french average speed cameras

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/234088360_An_assessment_of_the_safety_effects_of_the_French_speed_camera_program