Average speed cameras on M7

firstlight

All for average speed cameras as long as they stay at set speed
Obviously in roadworks they could be adjusted

The cameras should also monitor for middle lane hoggers.
Anyone caught sitting in middle lane with a clear left lane ahead should be done
M7 is shocking stretch for it.

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

firstlight wrote: »

All for average speed cameras as long as they stay at set speed
Obviously in roadworks they could be adjusted

The cameras should also monitor for middle lane hoggers.
Anyone caught sitting in middle lane with a clear left lane ahead should be done
M7 is shocking stretch for it.

Sure the left most hand lane is the fastest lane on the M50 these days

fryup

average - as in if you pass each camera at a constant above limit speed you'll be fined?
or just one camera?

Eric Cartman

would be a fantastic idea if we upped the speed limit to 140 in tandem, but no.

frozenfrozen

fryup wrote: »

average - as in if you pass each camera at a constant above limit speed you'll be fined?
or just one camera?

Time between passing that zone, if you get through faster than you would at 120kmh you get fined

Unsure if they will do instantaneous speed also like a gosafe...

Mimon

eringobragh wrote: »

infuriating to see this wasted on a motorway..but alas

having lived in Australia, they had speedcams eachside of every school district...seems the focus is way off dangerous roads here

...Leave them to it anyway the gosafe thing was a fiasco running a massive deficit...Irish drivers for the most part are some of the slowest drivers on the planet

This for the bolded bit. Far safer to get the foot down on a Motorway than for example belting it into a crowded car park or in an estate where toddlers are running around.

Not advocating doing crazy speeds but in good conditions 130 to 140 is fine. In France the speed limit on motorways is 130 in dry weather and 110 if it is very wet, makes more sense.

Leonard Hofstadter

Mimon wrote: »

This for the bolded bit. Far safer to get the foot down on a Motorway than for example belting it into a crowded car park or in an estate where toddlers are running around.

Not advocating doing crazy speeds but in good conditions 130 to 140 is fine. In France the speed limit on motorways is 130 in dry weather and 110 if it is very wet, makes more sense.

This exactly. It cannot be emphasised enough that 120 is NOT fast for a motorway by European standards - most EU countries are 130, while Poland and Bulgaria are 140, and Germany famously doesn't have a limit at all.

I wouldn't have an issue with average speed cameras (or any sort of speed enforcement) on motorways if we were actually allowed use them as intended rather than being limited to just 74.5 mph in old money. When motorway speed limits were set in this country back in 1983, cars had drum brakes, no ABS or any sort of traction/stability control, no airbags and crumple zones did not exist. Yet despite all the progress made, the speed limits have increased in the intervening 38 years by only 4.5 mph.

Leonard Hofstadter

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

This exactly. It cannot be emphasised enough that 120 is NOT fast for a motorway by European standards - most EU countries are 130, while Poland and Bulgaria are 140, and Germany famously doesn't have a limit at all.

I wouldn't have an issue with average speed cameras (or any sort of speed enforcement) on motorways if we were actually allowed use them as intended rather than being limited to just 74.5 mph in old money. When motorway speed limits were set in this country back in 1983, cars had drum brakes, no ABS or any sort of traction/stability control, no airbags and crumple zones did not exist. Yet despite all the progress made, the speed limits have increased in the intervening 38 years by only 4.5 mph.

If the vast majority of drivers in this country can’t follow the most basic of rules of keeping left on a motorway, then comparing us to other countries is a waste of time.

Darc19

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

This exactly. It cannot be emphasised enough that 120 is NOT fast for a motorway by European standards - most EU countries are 130, while Poland and Bulgaria are 140, and Germany famously doesn't have a limit at all.
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And the German autobahns have twice the accident rate and death rates of UK motorways.

The area of m7 around birdhill has more accidents than most motorway sections. I've had to do many detours on the old N7 due to closure by an accident

Stovepipe

Stovepipe wrote: »

Average speed cameras were meant to be on the M50 from the start. The overhead gantries were designed to accept multiple cameras and the surface was meant to have the calibration marks painted on them. In places like France, ignoring the average speed cameras will get you a hefty ticket price when you turn off or a chunky fine in the post. Foreigners don't get away,either. You speed in a hire car and the hiring company will take it from your credit card. You speed in your own car and they'll have a reception waiting for you when you come back. You might yet see Northern speeders getting a hit to the wallet.

To point out the hopefully obvious, you don’t need surface calibration marks for average speed cameras.

highdef

PsychoPete wrote: »

I assume they'll be plenty of warning signs when you are about to approach it so if you are over the limit you can slow down, I don't see the problem with having them on a motorway

Yes, plenty of warning signs on the approach.... Round white signs with a red surround and 120 in black font atop of the white part. Extremely difficult to miss, especially as you would have been made aware of this type of signage in the driving theory test so you'll be sure to recognise the signage/warning.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

highdef wrote: »

Yes, plenty of warning signs on the approach.... Round white signs with a red surround and 120 in black font atop of the white part. Extremely difficult to miss, especially as you would have been made aware of this type of signage in the driving theory test so you'll be sure to recognise the signage/warning.

Jesus.

Chickennuggets

Possibly a stupid question but how will these work? Will there be only 2 sets of camera (on the way in and on the way out) or will there be multiple along the route?

If its more than two will you be done for speeding if your over the set time between 2 sets camera's? Eg there's 4 cameras. You go through camera 1, speed (time taken) between 1-2 is below the limit, between camera's 2-3 you're over the limit, and then again between cameras 3-4 you are below the limit. Will it take the average between camera's 1-4? Or between each set of camera's.

punisher5112

Chickennuggets wrote: »

Possibly a stupid question but how will these work? Will there be only 2 sets of camera (on the way in and on the way out) or will there be multiple along the route?

If its more than two will you be done for speeding if your over the set time between 2 sets camera's? Eg there's 4 cameras. You go through camera 1, speed (time taken) between 1-2 is below the limit, between camera's 2-3 you're over the limit, and then again between cameras 3-4 you are below the limit. Will it take the average between camera's 1-4? Or between each set of camera's.

If you get between 2 set points faster then it should take you at 120 then you get the points and fine....

Will there be some leeway on it I don't know....

As some cars the reading can be off so they may well let one travel at say 126km/h and be ok....

Id much prefer if it's set at 130km/h that's where my cruise is set.

jelutong

Mimon wrote: »

This for the bolded bit. Far safer to get the foot down on a Motorway than for example belting it into a crowded car park or in an estate where toddlers are running around.

Not advocating doing crazy speeds but in good conditions 130 to 140 is fine. In France the speed limit on motorways is 130 in dry weather and 110 if it is very wet, makes more sense.

The speed limit on UK motorways is 70 mph.

Mimon

jelutong wrote: »

The speed limit on UK motorways is 70 mph.

How is this relevant to my post?

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime

Mimon wrote: »

How is this relevant to my post?

I think the poster was trying to say the 120kmh speed limit is high enough,

With the exception of German, Ireland does have a high speed limit compared to the like of the UK, australia, USA, Canada, Europe. Most of those places the max is 110kmh / 70mph.

But looking most of europe are up around 80mph / 130kph... Maybe that wouldn't hurt. But I highly doubt it'll happen since there was a TD or someone bashing a lower speed limit on motorways to 110 ?

TheRef

How bizarre that so many posters are advocating that the limit should be 130km/h or 140/h. I bet the same posters would be still complaining if the limit was 140km/h and advocating for 150km/h.

Really, what difference does 120 to 140 make? From Naas to Birdhill, travelling 140km/h rather than 120km/h will save you 10 mins, but still take 71 mins.

Under current rules, 140km/h would mean a potential 90km/h difference in vehicle speeds.

mohawk

Darc19 wrote: »

The area of m7 around birdhill has more accidents than most motorway sections. I've had to do many detours on the old N7 due to closure by an accident

That particular section of the motorway is notorious for accidents. This indicates that the issue is to do with the road itself and not drivers. People speed the entire length of the motorway not just in that particular section.

Hurrache

Leonard Hofstadter wrote: »

and Germany famously doesn't have a limit at all.

And this is famously a myth. There's no universal limit, but many of them have their own.

AndyBoBandy

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

My favourite is when you're driving along a relatively quiet stretch of motorway, and see a truck in the distance, and as you get closer to it, there's a lone car sitting in behind it, no more than 2 car lengths away from it, wipers on full blast (because of the wash from the truck, despite the fact it stopped raining 20 minutes ago), completely happy to sit there, and oblivious of the fact an overtake would make their life much easier. then long after you pass them, you take a look behind, and they're still tucked in behind the truck!!!

I'd say that some of them are drafting, and doing it for fuel efficiency, but i think I'd be giving them too much credit, and the reality is they simply have no awareness of their surroundings..

Must be a nightmare for truck drivers having someone tail you so closely for so long on a motorway!!!

Nah my favourite is when you're maybe 600m behind a lorry and there's a car about 200m behind. You can see him gaining slowly on the lorry and you know that no matter what speed you do to catch and pass the lorry that that car will pull out and make you lift.

Mango Joe

I've a longish motorway spin as part of my work commute and there seems to be incident at least weekly involving speeding.

There's been a good few times I've been genuinely scared due to other Drivers doing 140-160kmph in high winds and heavy rain etc. - I'd put it down to inexperience, stupidity and a basic lack of understanding of physics.

I don't know what they think is going to happen when they're tailgating someone at 140kmph on a wet road and the car ahead needs to slow down for any reason - They're coming into that situation with about 3 working brain cells so I can't imagine they've great reaction times or some set of magic brakes and tyres.

At the end of the day average speed cameras are going to keep the safe and reasonable drivers from getting killed or maimed.

frozenfrozen

Mango Joe wrote: »

I've a longish motorway spin as part of my work commute and there seems to be incident at least weekly involving speeding.

There's been a good few times I've been genuinely scared due to other Drivers doing 140-160kmph in high winds and heavy rain etc. - I'd put it down to inexperience, stupidity and a basic lack of understanding of physics.

I don't know what they think is going to happen when they're tailgating someone at 140kmph on a wet road and the car ahead needs to slow down for any reason - They're coming into that situation with about 3 working brain cells so I can't imagine they've great reaction times or some set of magic brakes and tyres.

At the end of the day average speed cameras are going to keep the safe and reasonable drivers from getting killed or maimed.

You said speeding but meant tailgating there

Which is what always happens. The idea of the limit should be upped to 130/140 gets skewed into to "oh so you think its safe to do 140km/h an inch from the car in front in the wind and rain?"

No. If you have an issue with tailgating then say tailgating. And if people are going too fast in adverse conditions then say you'd support variable speed limits.

The safe and reasonable drivers can also be doing 130/140 all it would take is for the signs to be changed. Its not like people are asking for following distances to be reduced...

Mango Joe

frozenfrozen wrote: »

You said speeding but meant tailgating there

No. If you have an issue with tailgating then say tailgating. And if people are going too fast in adverse conditions then say you'd support variable speed limits.

Ha? What are you on at all?! I was talking about both speeding and tailgating in different paragraphs and you choose to selectively take your own interpretation for your own reasons - The presumptive arrogance is phenomenal here.....But thanks anyway for explaining that to me in such fine detail.

I've had a daily motorway commute for the past 6+ years - That's 10 long enough motorway trips a week and I could write chapters on the speeding, tailgating, Morons drifting between lanes as they tap away on PDAs, Tablets and smartphones.

There was the Woman with a large scale paper map of Ireland spread across the dash and steering wheel who was having difficulty because she had left the windows open and her giant map kept being blown onto the windscreen obscuring her view of the road.

The cars meandering between lanes cause yer man is shaving, or herself is doing her makeup in the vanity mirror which is also covering her view of the road.

Drivers with N and L plates who've been driving exactly long enough to speed and not long enough to understand the risks, dangers and consequences.

Anyway keeping these utter Idiots below 120 kmph can only help keep the rest of us safe.

irishgrover

in relation to motorway speed limits. There are many stretches of motorway in Ireland where the motorways are not of sufficiently high quality to facilitate a 140kmph limit. M18 is one that springs to mind. Built as a dual carriageway, with fairly sharp bends in places, and 90-degree angles at exits etc. It became a motorway when they chanced the signage from green to blue. Not sure it would support speeds in excess of the current limits.

frozenfrozen

Mango Joe wrote: »

Ha? What are you on at all?! I was talking about both speeding and tailgating in different paragraphs and you choose to selectively take your own interpretation for your own reasons - The presumptive arrogance is phenomenal here.....But thanks anyway for explaining that to me in such fine detail.

I've had a daily motorway commute for the past 6+ years - That's 10 long enough motorway trips a week and I could write chapters on the speeding, tailgating, Morons drifting between lanes as they tap away on PDAs, Tablets and smartphones.

There was the Woman with a large scale paper map of Ireland spread across the dash and steering wheel who was having difficulty because she had left the windows open and her giant map kept being blown onto the windscreen obscuring her view of the road.

The cars meandering between lanes cause yer man is shaving, or herself is doing her makeup in the vanity mirror which is also covering her view of the road.

Drivers with N and L plates who've been driving exactly long enough to speed and not long enough to understand the risks, dangers and consequences.

Anyway keeping these utter Idiots below 120 kmph can only help keep the rest of us safe.

You said another compounding dangerous thing both times you mentioned speed. But I will leave you off it must be quite difficult to post on boards while commuting on the motorway :cool:

irishgrover

irishgrover wrote: »

in relation to motorway speed limits. There are many stretches of motorway in Ireland where the motorways are not of sufficiently high quality to facilitate a 140kmph limit. M18 is one that springs to mind. Built as a dual carriageway, with fairly sharp bends in places, and 90-degree angles at exits etc. It became a motorway when they chanced the signage from green to blue. Not sure it would support speeds in excess of the current limits.

The M18 was never a dual carriageway, it was designed and built as a motorway from the N19 junction to Tuam. It has no sharp bends on the mainline either, so stop talking bolloçks

firstlight

Kopparberg Strawberry and Lime wrote: »

Sure the left most hand lane is the fastest lane on the M50 these days

I know mate. Used to drive an 8 wheeler up and down it everyday for a few years.

Drive the calmest person insane

pippip

Deleted User wrote: »

The M18 was never a dual carriageway, it was designed and built as a motorway from the N19 junction to Tuam. It has no sharp bends on the mainline either, so stop talking bolloçks

No need for the attitude, a quick google shows a fair stretch of it was originally a dual carriageway and later redesigned into a motorway. Yes some of it was built from scratch as motorway but some wasn't.

Mango Joe

Eric Cartman wrote: »

would be a fantastic idea if we upped the speed limit to 140 in tandem, but no.

Legislation has to cover the fact that some people are as thick as 7 planks and think it's ok to do 140 in really poor weather conditions.