A ‘Green Party cyclist ‘ will use bike paths , a ‘real’ one will be happy dicing with the traffic down the Quays etc .Maybe (with so many mods around ?) its time to discuss whether cycling as a sport or form of transport belong in the same forum ? Cargo bikes( very Green Party!) and Colnago’s have as much in common as Nissan Leafs and formula 1 cars surely ? Anyway that Mikey fella is the very antithesis of sporting cyclists ( apart from maybe one or two commissaires?)
Do they need to be wearing green or would these party cyclists qualify?
Whats a green party cyclist?
It's a point done to death and while regular posters fully acknowledge some cyclists run lights, the same way some motorists do, it is also widely accepted (from actual recorded data) that cyclists in the majority do not run lights and those that do, do so at a far lower level than other road users. Considering the decrease in risk from a cyclist compared to a motorist, followed by the far lower amount of cyclists doing it, it is genuinely a non issue that needs to be dropped.
TLDR it may be a reputation but it isn't actually justified so it does breach the forum rules on negativity towards cyclists in general.
9. Event entry requests/offersDo not start any requests in the main forum requesting or offering entries for events such as the WW200, ROK, SKT etc. Do a search in the Cycling Adverts sub-forum. If no thread has alkready been started for a particular event in a particular year you may start one. A single thread should be used for all requests and offers for each event, with priority being given to the earliest poster who is seeking an entry
2011abc take a look at the forum charter, specifically point 9 before posting in the Cycling Forum again.
Now that IS an old argument which I wouldn’t subscribe to .Not sure if you’re being serious or in jest .But that seems to be common lately .
They don't pay road tax either!! 🤪🤪
Come on now lads , cyclist are notorious for breaking red lights .I seem to expect this forum to be mostly frequented by racing cyclists but I guess there are plenty of ‘Green Party cyclists’ too.Dont appreciate the cyber stalking /commenting on my posts elsewhere either .A triple mod rounding upon , sheesh !
It's either in jest or beyond silly.
But as a btw, as a motorist and a person who cycles I've never broken red lights in either case.
this post is a little weird, not sure whether it's in jest or not.
Yes, some cyclists break red lights, some motorists do (actually, more motorists do), but I think the ramifications of the latter are much more serious. I doubt if anyone has been killed by a cyclist breaking the lights.
A cyclist criticising motorists for breaking red lights ...stones ....glasshouse...
He posted these stats at the end of his latest video
Impressive
Its a weird thing I have only seen in Ireland and nowhere else, where if red lights are there for motorists and no one can legally drive through the pedestrian crossing at the time that the ped lights stay red unless pressed. It is bizarre and occurs nowhere else AFAIK
The one outside Leinster House changes immediately IIRC.
Or better still, leave the green man on permanently, until a motorist presses a button to allow cars through,
I heard the theory several times that Kildare Street has the only pedestrian lights in the country which are configured to change as soon as the button is pressed, regardless of where in the sequence the lights are. Needless to say, I've no idea how accurate that is...
Funny thing is, you actually see this behaviour with motorists at red lights.
If they take took long to change to green motorists will break them, a perfect example of this is road works traffic lights.
Re the pedestrian lights, that's because they're configured to be motorist-centric - pedestrians get tired of waiting for them. They should change immediately the button is pressed, if they haven't changed in the last few minutes (with a couple of seconds delays for the inevitable red-light-jumping motorist). This would ensure a better experience for both pedestrian and motorist.
Your problem here is trying to apply logic to emotion. That's a battle you won't win. It's a fact that a lot of motorists hate cyclists. It's probably fair to say that in most cases that hatred is completely illogical. However what I think @iwillhtfu (he can correct me if I'm wrong!) was saying is that if you have a large body of motorists with an irrational dislike of cyclists, who will happily overlook the car in front of them who just ploughed through the red light, then me as a cyclist rolling up to the lights and pedalling through just because there was no traffic approaching will to them simply serve as proof that cyclists are a bunch of law breaking c***s... "look!!!! see!!! another one!!! every single time they just cycle through the red lights!!!".
I see myself as traffic so for the most part I obey the laws applying to traffic the same way I do when driving... it would be a bit rich of me to bang on about law-breaking motorists while doing the exact same thing myself. Yes, the potential harm is vastly different, and yes, the laws should be changed to take account of this (allow left on red etc) which I think would take much of the heat out of the issue. But for the time being I don't feel like I can in good conscience pick and choose which fundamental ROTR I'm going to obey and which I expect motorists to obey.
Ok, first of all, I realise now that i incorrectly attributed your comment to Cycling Mikey acts of reporting people, which it wasnt, so apologies for that.
I still take issue with this statement though-
"there's enough reasons for motorists to hate cyclists so why give them another"
What reasons are those?
If a motorist sees a cyclist doing something stupid or dangerous, they can "hate" that person if they want to. Nobody has justification to apply blanket hatred to "cyclists" in general. If they insist on doing that, their mind is f***ed.
I'm not accountable for the behavior of people I don't even know just because I'm riding a bike. Just like I'm not accountable for the behavior of people I don't even know when I'm driving a car.
Bizarre in what sense it's pretty self explanatory only this time it can't be described as motorist rhetoric as I probably cycle more than I drive these days.
Also you have taken what I have said out of context and applied it to the Cycling Mikey video which indeed is bizarre.
Anyway I think I'm moving on from this thread and to be honest it has actually been irritating and more annoyingly has me siding with the view of some motorists.
An apt meme for all and sundry 😂
I find this an utterly bizarre statement.
On the one hand, you've got somebody endangering lives doing something like charging through the wrong side of traffic island, and on the other you've got somebody delivering a consequence to them for their behavior, which logically has at least the same or better chance of changing their behavior than if they get no consequence.
Any sane person, motorist or otherwise will rightly lay blame at the foot of the person who is wilfully endangering peoples lives for their own selfishness.
The people that point at Mikey or others like him and call him a "grass" are nothing more than overgrown manbabies and womanbabies. They are going to hate cyclists anyway regardless for their own f***ed up reasons so really who gives a crap about not disturbing them.
That's true. I was merely expressing an opinion. If he is stopping on his commute to hide in a ditch, I could find better things to do with the time it takes to do that. Also, in the video I posted above, he doesn't just video the driver and then submit the footage, he continues to follow her to tell her what he's going to do.Can't seethe point of this, other than the hope of a confrontation which will (presumably) drive views/numbers/traffic on his youtube channel
@iwillhtfu I questioned the suggestion "cycling mikey is making London streets safer" by asking for some empirical evidence of this. None was forthcoming. The number of prosecutions was offered, but no stats regarding a reduction in crashes, injuries, deaths etc.
Any chance you are Cycling Mikey 😂😂 Also that reference doesn't bear any relevance to what I said ended well, do keep up.
Moving on from the 800 figure which I'm vaguely curious as to the truth in that figure. It also highlights the pittance that truly is as I could catch 800 offences driving to work in the morning by both cyclists and motorists and even pedestrians if you wanted to be pedantic about it.
800 successful prosecutions all ended well.
I don’t think he, or anyone, is suggesting that you should do what he does.
True, I generally tend to look at it that there's enough reasons for motorists to hate cyclists so why give them another. I do understand the argument for risks being entirely different in certain scenarios. I also know the annoyance of coming up to a pedestrian crossing and watching a pedestrian press the button to cross then just walk out leaving cars to sit at a red light 30s after they've left. I guess my point it's annoying but I wouldn't go through it in a car so I wouldn't go through it on a bike.
I honestly don't see it as much with bikes out in the suburbs. More in the city centre, but it's more akin to jaywalking in my experience - crossing when the road is clear even though you've a red man or rolling through with the pedestrian cycle. Is slowly going through with the pedestrian light cycle really the same as putting the foot down to go through a clear red across the N11 (and N11 actually has green and is beginning to move/ pedestrian lights have a green man) from Newtownpark Avenue? Both illegal, very different level of potential consequence.
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