Cycling Mikey

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Maybe, just maybe, maybe it's not me that has the blindspot.

Maybe. I'm always looking to improve, there is always room.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's possible to engage with people calmly, in a civil manner, assertively and directly as Mikey generally does with now gesticulation and no getting in people's faces.

I guess one man's calm is anothers passive aggressive arseshole.

Mickey doesn't often gesticulate, I think that much is clear.
He literally gets in people's faces tho!

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So all the decades of antagonistic driving by motorists in the UK, and over here too, is now down to Mikey and other cyclists who don't tug their forelock quite enough when asking the nice motorist to - pretty please with bells on - not kill them on their journey today?

Funny how there wasn't huge outcry or concerns about the route cause of antagonistic drivers until Mikey came along - but until he gets his tone exactly right he's going to get a virtual kicking round here.

And you want to talk about strawmen and other poor debating techniques :pac:
Your some man for a bit of spin!


You don't like it when people tell you how to cycle (as is often the case when you post videos). Why do you think others are different?

All this forelock nonsense.. it's really telling about your attitude and I fear it will get you into serious trouble one day.

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

And you want to talk about strawmen and other poor debating techniques :pac:
Your some man for a bit of spin!


You don't like it when people tell you how to cycle (as is often the case when you post videos). Why do you think others are different?

All this forelock nonsense.. it's really telling about your attitude and I fear it will get you into serious trouble one day.

Why is "do people like it" a key factor here? Is there some global rule about not offending the sensibilities of dangerous drivers?

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

Maybe. I'm always looking to improve, there is always room.



I guess one man's calm is anothers passive aggressive arseshole.

Mickey doesn't often gesticulate, I think that much is clear.
He literally gets in people's faces tho!

He literally doesn't get in people's faces as he is always beside them, not in front of them.

AndrewJRenko

on_the_nickel wrote: »

No, Andrew - and I would appreciate it if you could stop re-wording my posts to suit your argument - what I said was, in the case of this specific road, knowing it as I do, I chose not to put my convenience ahead of that of other road users.

I also, and this is important Andrew, because you seem to have difficulty understanding what I'm saying or maybe just seeing past your own pre-conceptions, I specifically said it was up to others to make their own choices.

You said a bit more than your own personal choices in fairness - with your points about compromise and choosing the better option.

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Why is "do people like it" a key factor here? Is there some global rule about not offending the sensibilities of dangerous drivers?

Why do you always view it that way? It's really is coming across as trolling.

I think it's been explained pretty clearly why people object to the little chats Mikey has and it has got sweet fa to do with 'offending' drivers (dangerous or otherwise).
No matter how many times you try and frame the conversation that way.

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

He literally doesn't get in people's faces as he is always beside them, not in front of them.

Semantics and pedantry. He literally stands in front of or beside people. If I'm beside you telling you how to behave, I think colloquially it would be described as getting in your face. I would go further and say beside is literally in your face. The side of one's face is still the face.

Or do you only want to include people directly on front of you within a certain range? Taking a line parallel to the forehead, we will draw another perpendicular line through the nose and only count 45 degrees either side? Maybe cap it as no further than 50cm from the forehead?

Regardless of where he stands, his attitude makes him a bit of a prick. His work and reporting is still great, but could be better.

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

Semantics and pedantry. He literally stands in front of or beside people. If I'm beside you telling you how to behave, I think colloquially it would be described as getting in your face. I would go further and say beside is literally in your face. The side of one's face is still the face.

Or do you only want to include people directly on front of you within a certain range? Taking a line parallel to the forehead, we will draw another perpendicular line through the nose and only count 45 degrees either side? Maybe cap it as no further than 50cm from the forehead?

Regardless of where he stands, his attitude makes him a bit of a prick. His work and reporting is still great, but could be better.

When he stands in front, there is a windscreen and a bonnet between him and them - a long way from "in yer face".

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

Why do you always view it that way? It's really is coming across as trolling.

I think it's been explained pretty clearly why people object to the little chats Mikey has and it has got sweet fa to do with 'offending' drivers (dangerous or otherwise).
No matter how many times you try and frame the conversation that way.

That's what been said here repeatedly - we can't be offending the drivers who routinely endanger other road users in case they get a bit cranky and decide to drive even more dangerously as a result.

Just have a little think about that, and how out of all the bad things happening in that cycle, it is Mikey's tone that you keep highlighting as the bit that needs to be fixed.

I guess a cyclist must have previously offended the van driver to cause the original beeping while overtaking.

https://twitter.com/righttobikeit/status/1371542513799036937?s=19

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Just have a little think about that, and how out of all the bad things happening in that cycle, it is Mikey's tone that you keep highlighting as the bit that needs to be fixed.

bs - its widely acknowledged the biggest thing needing fixed is illegal behaviour. Its not commented on other than to say well done Mikey for that part. I don't need to have a little think about that as its clear as day (to nearly everyone except you!). People then go on to say hes a bit of an arse after. You don't agree, fine - so.. whats your point at this stage?

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

When he stands in front, there is a windscreen and a bonnet between him and them - a long way from "in yer face".

And beside? That s different is it?

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I don't know whats worse at this stage - if your posts are similar to trolling, I'm now feeding away here :pac:

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

And beside? That s different is it?

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I don't know whats worse at this stage - if your posts are similar to trolling, I'm now feeding away here :pac:

Well, yes - it is different. It's not "literally in your face" when there's a windscreen and bonnet in between.

I preferred this thread when I assumed it was about a mens health issue due to cycling

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Well, yes - it is different. It's not "literally in your face" when there's a windscreen and bonnet in between.

I'm asking is "beside" literally in your face - I just want to understand your exact definitions - we are so far from any sensible point I may as well try to understand this part at least!

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

I'm asking is "beside" literally in your face - I just want to understand your exact definitions - we are so far from any sensible point I may as well try to understand this part at least!

Well, no, as stated above - beside you, facing the same direction as you is not "literally in your face".

But it's interesting to note the extensive efforts to nitpick and find minor issues to hone in on while ignoring the endemic levels of mobile phone use by drivers.

a_squirrelman

There's only one nitpicker in this thread.

CramCycle

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Eamonnator

Eamonnator wrote: »

He's a bellend.

It's a week and 180 posts since I made this remark.
Nothing, that has been said since, has changed my mind.
I wonder has anybody changed their mind about Mikey's behaviour.

km991148

Eamonnator wrote: »

It's a week and 180 posts since I made this remark.
Nothing, that has been said since, has changed my mind.
I wonder has anybody changed their mind about Mikey's behaviour.

Not at all. I think he's doing a great job but needs to wind his neck in a bit as he comes across as an arse at times.

I've said as much in about 80 of those 180 posts :pac:

on_the_nickel

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

with your points about compromise and choosing the better option.

Andrew, read that again, in the context of this thread, and maybe life in general and ask yourself why you think compromise and choosing the better option are things to argue against, and why you're arguing against them.

I'm going to leave it at that.

AndrewJRenko

on_the_nickel wrote: »

Andrew, read that again, in the context of this thread, and maybe life in general and ask yourself why you think compromise and choosing the better option are things to argue against, and why you're arguing against them.

I'm going to leave it at that.

Compromise is a two way street.

cletus

Unless it's one way, with a segregated bike path...

CramCycle

I think that it s great that he is reporting so many people. This doesn't mean that physically policing rather than passively, no matter what way you spin it, hiding in bushes is silliness. In one video he caught two cars while he walked to the corner, if he just sat there with the camera he would have caught 30 or 40 drivers. So is he actively after bad drivers or clicks, the evidence indicates the latter. The same with the Land Rover video, leaning in the window of a driver, whether they are on a phone or not is asking for someone to claim they were being attacked and unlike that video with CycleDub and the 2 way street, if someone leaned in my window, I would presume they were about to attack me and act accordingly.
This said for the most part he is harmless and being passive aggressive isn't a crime. Honestly, compared to some of the youtubers he is certainly not as uncomfortable to watch, that CycleDub guy freaked me out, there was a really uncomfortable video of him filming schoolgirls complimenting his bike, I wonder (although I don't want to know) what he put up that got all his videos pulled.

km991148

Cringe

https://youtu.be/bHtI1plraEg?t=56

Eamonnator

km991148 wrote: »

Cringe

https://youtu.be/bHtI1plraEg?t=56

I don't understand, why there are not more negative comments on UTube.
Can Mikey delete comments, that he doesn't like?

"I'm the guy, who caught Guy Richie"
What a knob!

km991148

Eamonnator wrote: »

I don't understand, why there are not more negative comments on UTube.
Can Mikey delete comments, that he doesn't like?

"I'm the guy, who caught Guy Richie"
What a knob!

I can't tell if he's been tounge in cheek or not

In fairness, I got recommended one the other day where he just filmed and left.

CramCycle

Eamonnator wrote: »

I don't understand, why there are not more negative comments on UTube.
Can Mikey delete comments, that he doesn't like?

"I'm the guy, who caught Guy Richie"
What a knob!

The guy waved, indicated fair enough and then he follows him. If I didn't know any better I would say he was annoyed he didn't get a rise out of him.

ED E

Deleted User wrote: »

Church of Mickey

Pulpit of CycleDub

He's Louis Theroux on a bike there in that video.

Mc Love

Eamonnator wrote: »

It's a week and 180 posts since I made this remark.
Nothing, that has been said since, has changed my mind.
I wonder has anybody changed their mind about Mikey's behaviour.

I'm a Mikey fan and he definitely is not a bellend by any stretch of the imagination, do you think if a family member of yours was killed by a dangerous driver, you would do nothing? Mikey is out catching people doing illegal things while driving or in control of a motorised vehicle and making the streets safer by taking dangerous drivers off the roads or making sure they get punished for their behaviour. If we had more like him, maybe we wouldnt have as many dangerous drivers in ireland.