Cycling Mikey

a_squirrelman

But I would have to agree with earlier posters. It must be about the YouTube clicks at this stage given his style.

crazy 88

crazy 88 wrote: »

Where does he get all the time? Fair enough if you spot these things on your regular commute, but this is a professional curtain twitcher. A very sad individual.

He's a skate training teacher I have seen

km991148

crazy 88 wrote: »

Where does he get all the time? Fair enough if you spot these things on your regular commute, but this is a professional curtain twitcher. A very sad individual.

a_squirrelman wrote: »

But I would have to agree with earlier posters. It must be about the YouTube clicks at this stage given his style.

Pop psychology hat on here but I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say he is motivated by the tragic death of his father at the hands of a drunk driver and that may (entirely understandably) be influencing his style somewhat. Unlike some other YouTubers I don't believe he is purely doing it for YouTube money (although probably doing not bad from it at this stage) but genuinely believes his little chats are 'helping'.


That's my take, pure speculation, not going to be pulling peer reviewed research papers or stats.

km991148

Christ I need lockdown to end soon lol I've nearly as much time on my hands as Mikey.. irony aside, I've always wondered how he got the info on points/fines etc as I was pretty sure they wouldn't give that info to the reporter.. I actually think he's putting in a freedom of information request for each one (one of the videos was numbered FOIXXXX).

I wonder if that's automated or just more work (for him and the authorities). I'm gonna guess it still pays off - but he must spend a lot of time in this!

AndrewJRenko

crazy 88 wrote: »

Where does he get all the time? Fair enough if you spot these things on your regular commute, but this is a professional curtain twitcher. A very sad individual.

Says the lad twitching the curtain to look at the Mikey discussion thread...

Where do people get the time to be posting on Boards about him?

AndrewJRenko

km991148 wrote: »

Christ I need lockdown to end soon lol I've nearly as much time on my hands as Mikey.. irony aside, I've always wondered how he got the info on points/fines etc as I was pretty sure they wouldn't give that info to the reporter.. I actually think he's putting in a freedom of information request for each one (one of the videos was numbered FOIXXXX).

I wonder if that's automated or just more work (for him and the authorities). I'm gonna guess it still pays off - but he must spend a lot of time in this!

I think he gets a formal response from the police on the outcome of his complaint - another aspect where the UK's system is superior to here.

AndrewJRenko

cletus wrote: »

Ok, putting aside everything else I've said, let's go with nine less dangerous drivers (sorry, km)

Apart from those nine people not being able to drive, what has been the outcome, or result, of them not being on the road

The outcome is that the roads are safer for all road users than they would be if those nine drivers were still driving.

cletus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The outcome is that the roads are safer for all road users than they would be if those nine drivers were still driving.

And have you some method of quantifying this? Is there some metric you can apply that shows greater safety

AndrewJRenko

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Retired? He clearly isn't working with all that free time. At least righttobikeit is posting from his commute.

He has mentioned working in what sounds like a personal care role for a person with a disability.

AndrewJRenko

cletus wrote: »

And have you some method of quantifying this? Is ther come metric you can apply that shows greater safety

The metric is the absence of nine dangerous drivers.

Why do you think we have a penalty points system that disqualifies dangerous drivers?

crazy 88

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Says the lad twitching the curtain to look at the Mikey discussion thread...

Where do people get the time to be posting on Boards about him?

Is that you Mikey

AndrewJRenko

Weepsie wrote: »

Disqualified doesn't mean they're not driving.

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If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner that brought them to police attention in the past? And do you reckon that the drivers who got the 800+ penalty points issued as a result of his report, do you reckon they're all driving in the same reckless manner as before?

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner that brought them to police attention in the past? And do you reckon that the drivers who got the 800+ penalty points issued as a result of his report, do you reckon they're all driving in the same reckless manner as before?

No one knows as it's all speculation at the end of the day (and that's kinda the point).

It's probably reasonable to assume dishing out points and fines does change driver behaviour for the better, otherwise we would have changed the system at some point.

It's also reasonable for some people to assume that winding people up doesn't help.

Both if these are ultimately assumptions.. which neither of us have evidence or studies to back up or test these assumptions.

If I'm not mistaken you've asked for evidence on the second point about the passive aggression or wind ups hence why people are probably asking you for evidence to prove the first point.

magicbastarder

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Where do people get the time to be posting on Boards about him?

Usually while I'm driving. It's why some of my posts might come across as distracted.

AndrewJRenko

Weepsie wrote: »

Experience tells me (and stats too disqualified driver nos are up 33% in the uk as of last year according to the dvla) that yeah, many of them are.

We have quarter of a million people in ireland with penalty points for some offence or other. I can't remember how many of them exactly, but it was a high percentage have more than 1 offence. Repeat offenders are just that.

An increase in the number of disqualified drivers tells you nothing about whether those drivers are still driving.

What's your best guess - do you reckon some of the nine dangerous drivers, including the recognisable Guy Ritchie have stopped driving for the period of disqualification?

cletus

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The metric is the absence of nine dangerous drivers.

Why do you think we have a penalty points system that disqualifies dangerous drivers?

That's a fine example of circular logic.

Everyone here acknowledges that the reporting that this man does is a good thing. I acknowledged it myself in the second post of the thread. The manner in which he goes about it, however, is frankly odd.


He would appear to spend inordinate amounts of time standing in bushes to catch, what are most of the time, fairly minor offences. Your comparison of that behaviour with people posting on boards about it is a red herring.

You have either developed, or bought into, a narrative whereby this man is singlehandedly making the streets of London safer. You continue to talk about "dangerous drivers" as if they were a separate class of driver, removed from all other class of drivers, which vastly oversimplifies the interactions that happen daily on all streets between road users

The problem is, there's no way for you, or anyone else, to measure the impact of what he does. The removal of those nine people from the road is not going to show up in fatality or collision statistics, which is why you don't refer to them.

The only thing that can be factually stated is that he has contributed to nine drivers being removed from streets of London due to breaking the law

timmyjimmy

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner that brought them to police attention in the past? And do you reckon that the drivers who got the 800+ penalty points issued as a result of his report, do you reckon they're all driving in the same reckless manner as before?

You are delusional if you think all fines/disqualifications change attitudes.

I saw a stat that 98% of motorists in Ireland break the speed limit in Ireland, probably most people in this forum who drive are in that 98%. I've had speed tickets and fines, i'm now back down to 0 points but I only found myself over the speed limit this morning, the fines didn't change my attitude.

I've a friend who drives for a living and has 10 driving points and was caught speeding again, her husband took the points so she could stay driving on the road.

I grew up in very rural Ireland where drink driving is rife, I know disqualified drivers who were caught drink driving who still drive in the locality.

All above are different arguments but again, you are delusional if you think all fines/disqualifications change attitudes.

buffalo

timmyjimmy wrote: »

I saw a stat that 98% of motorists in Ireland break the speed limit in Ireland, probably most people in this forum who drive are in that 98%. I've had speed tickets and fines, i'm now back down to 0 points but I only found myself over the speed limit this morning, the fines didn't change my attitude.

:pac: That's a weird journey of self-discovery.

km991148

cletus wrote: »

The only thing that can be factually stated is that he has contributed to nine drivers being removed from streets of London due to breaking the law

Not even. 9 drivers have received a driving ban. A lot of people are downright (unts and will drive anyway.


But I would like to think most people cop on s bit when the points are handed out.

Some people can't help but rack em up and an even smaller subset just don't care.

km991148

Weepsie wrote: »

I noted also, that "Mikey" is requested by the Met to remove the videos form all social media. Presumably as they are potentially then prejudicial. Yet he doesn't.

I think I'm right in saying he does wait until fines are issued etc. Did you see something where he doesn't?
I don't know the full process tho and how long he is supposed to wait etc.

Potentially as well tho, could he inadvertently screw up the cases with having the chats. I'm sure a good lawyer would argue some kind of harassment etc make out there was stuff going on before some of the cases.

AndrewJRenko

timmyjimmy wrote: »

You are delusional if you think all fines/disqualifications change attitudes.

I saw a stat that 98% of motorists in Ireland break the speed limit in Ireland, probably most people in this forum who drive are in that 98%. I've had speed tickets and fines, i'm now back down to 0 points but I only found myself over the speed limit this morning, the fines didn't change my attitude.

I've a friend who drives for a living and has 10 driving points and was caught speeding again, her husband took the points so she could stay driving on the road.

I grew up in very rural Ireland where drink driving is rife, I know disqualified drivers who were caught drink driving who still drive in the locality.

All above are different arguments but again, you are delusional if you think all fines/disqualifications change attitudes.

Where exactly did I say that all fines and disqualifications change attitudes?

timmyjimmy

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Where exactly did I say that all fines and disqualifications change attitudes?

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner

Right, not attitude but manner.

Example:
a person's outward bearing or way of behaving towards others.
"his arrogance and pompous manner"
Similar:
demeanour
air
aspect
attitude
appearance
look
bearing

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Where exactly did I say that all fines and disqualifications change attitudes?

You didn't say actually - only that fines and disqualifications remove dangerous drivers.


Instead you said that YouTube acts as a deterrent (Acting as a deterrent presumably can be read as changing attitudes)!

beauf

timmyjimmy wrote: »

You are delusional if you think all fines/disqualifications change attitudes.

I saw a stat that 98% of motorists in Ireland break the speed limit in Ireland, probably most people in this forum who drive are in that 98%. I've had speed tickets and fines, i'm now back down to 0 points but I only found myself over the speed limit this morning, the fines didn't change my attitude.

I've a friend who drives for a living and has 10 driving points and was caught speeding again, her husband took the points so she could stay driving on the road.

I grew up in very rural Ireland where drink driving is rife, I know disqualified drivers who were caught drink driving who still drive in the locality.

All above are different arguments but again, you are delusional if you think all fines/disqualifications change attitudes.

All that proves is there is a lack of enforcement.

AndrewJRenko

timmyjimmy wrote: »

Right, not attitude but manner.

Example:
a person's outward bearing or way of behaving towards others.
"his arrogance and pompous manner"
Similar:
demeanour
air
aspect
attitude
appearance
look
bearing

That's a question, not a statement. And its heading in the opposite direction to those words you put into my mouth. Let me demonstrate:

What do you think yourself - If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner?

km991148

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's a question, not a statement. And its heading in the opposite direction to those words you put into my mouth. Let me demonstrate:

What do you think yourself - If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner?

You know there is no black and white here tho.

Some of course will calm down and reflect after points or a fine.
Some won't give two ****s and carry on being self entitled pricks.

But the conversation was never really about whether or not drivers should be reported and punished. There is a system of enforcement and people are quite rightly using it. If the system isn't good enough it's a different conversation.

The main point of contention is back to whether or not members of the public should be going about telling others how to behave (and if people generally think that's a good idea and actually does any good). This point can't really be quantified, but the consensus seems to be that the way Mikey behaves after recording people is a bit much and likely not as useful and maybe even detracts from any good he is doing by reporting.

I'm still interested to know if you think that's appropriate ('nicely' or aggressively (passive or otherwise,)).

timmyjimmy

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

That's a question, not a statement. And its heading in the opposite direction to those words you put into my mouth. Let me demonstrate:

What do you think yourself - If they are still driving, do you reckon that they are all driving in the same reckless manner?

Yes. I've given plenty of examples where reprimanding of motorists had no affect on their driving behaviors.

timmyjimmy

beauf wrote: »

All that proves is there is a lack of enforcement.

There will never be 100% enforcement. People will always break the rules of the road where they can get away with it.

Maybe instead of watching videos, interviewing hedge lurkers and locating drivers, I would be out catching twice as many of these things myself - Police Officer Met.

AndrewJRenko

timmyjimmy wrote: »

Yes. I've given plenty of examples where reprimanding of motorists had no affect on their driving behaviors.

Are there any examples where reprimanding motorists had a positive effect on their driving behaviour?