Harry and Meghan - OP updated with Threadbanned Users 4/5/21

Ckendrick

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I fear you speak the truth. Poor Harry. I feared the worst when I saw her walking alone down the aisle. Loads of celeb friends but no one to walk her down the aisle. Sad.

I thought from the start that they appeared to be two slightly troubled souls who’d come together looking for a happy ever after ending.

Leg End Reject

Ckendrick wrote: »

I thought from the start that they appeared to be two slightly troubled souls who’d come together looking for a happy ever after ending.

I don't think she was troubled, rather she recognised Harry was and could be easily manipulated.

Ckendrick

Ckendrick wrote: »

I thought from the start that they appeared to be two slightly troubled souls who’d come together looking for a happy ever after ending.

Harry wanted what Wills has. A second, supportive family. Unfortunately, the Markles are anything but!

walshb

Leg End Reject wrote: »

I don't think she was troubled, rather she recognised Harry was and could be easily manipulated.

In a nutshell..

Completely arranged and staged this from her..

She’ll ditch Harry as soon as the buzz of his fame wears off!!!

Itssoeasy

It’s obviously strained between the two sides but seeing how Harry and Kate and William interacted as if no time had passed just shows an underlying bond there, because Kate has probably known Harry as long as shes known William. My point is we’ve all probably not seen friends for a long time and then we see them and it’s as if no time has passed. I mean I’ve seen an interview with the three of them and it was very warm and natural for royalty and Harry now doesn’t have that. He’s in a foreign country and away from his family and you see that the connection yesterday if only briefly but it was nice to see.

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Someone won't be happy!

Be right back

retro:electro wrote: »

Side note, but Kate looked absolutely amazing yesterday. Epitome of grief glam!

She looked fab. There was a lovely picture of her taken in a car. She scrubs up well, to be fair!

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Be right back wrote: »

Someone won't be happy!

Oopsies.

Purple Mountain

Itssoeasy wrote: »

It’s obviously strained between the two sides but seeing how Harry and Kate and William interacted as if no time had passed just shows an underlying bond there, because Kate has probably known Harry as long as shes known William. My point is we’ve all probably not seen friends for a long time and then we see them and it’s as if no time has passed. I mean I’ve seen an interview with the three of them and it was very warm and natural for royalty and Harry now doesn’t have that. He’s in a foreign country and away from his family and you see that the connection yesterday if only briefly but it was nice to see.

Did you ever know a couple who get together and lock themselves into their own bubble and forget about their friends and sometimes family?
It's pathetic but also incredibly sad to see.
That's what this feels like. He has literally no family in the US and has alienated a lot of them by airing their dirty laundry on Oprah's grubby interview. His childhood friends are probably all in the UK.
She only interacts with her mother out of her family so essentially the children they'll have will only really see grandma Doria.
Maybe when Covid lifts, they might interact more with American friends but it's really sad and kinda worrying that they're alienated from a lot of people.
Of course, they'll see it as choosing their own path and ridding negativity but I fear this isolation will come back to bite Harry in the ass as someone who comes from a big, extended family.

retro:electro

Be right back wrote: »

She looked fab. There was a lovely picture of her taken in a car. She scrubs up well, to be fair!

Just stunning.



Elegance personified.

Itssoeasy

Purple Mountain wrote: »

Did you ever know a couple who get together and lock themselves into their own bubble and forget about their friends and sometimes family?
It's pathetic but also incredibly sad to see.
That's what this feels like. He has literally no family in the US and has alienated a lot of them by airing their dirty laundry on Oprah's grubby interview. His childhood friends are probably all in the UK.
She only interacts with her mother out of her family so essentially the children they'll have will only really see grandma Doria.
Maybe when Covid lifts, they might interact more with American friends but it's really sad and kinda worrying that they're alienated from a lot of people.
Of course, they'll see it as choosing their own path and ridding negativity but I fear this isolation will come back to bite Harry in the ass as someone who comes from a big, extended family.

Yeah that’s the sad part regardless whether he’s royal or not in that when he realises he’s ****ed up badly the ship will have sailed. I mean at the end of the funeral when they all left I saw none of the family interact in any way before Kate talked to him and the William did. I thought how Kate dropped back was a nice but subtle touch and kind of forced the lads to talk.

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retro:electro wrote: »

Just stunning.



Elegance personified.

Where are the 10 years gone since they married?

Leg End Reject

retro:electro wrote: »

Just stunning.



Elegance personified.

Wouldn't it be great if you could walk around like that and not look like a tool?

*sigh*

hamburgham

retro:electro wrote: »

Just stunning.



Elegance personified.

Eye make up and eye brows brilliantly done.

volchitsa

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Harry wanted what Wills has. A second, supportive family. Unfortunately, the Markles are anything but!

I think that's an interesting point: more supportive than his birth family in many ways (IMO). Kate Middleton does seem to have done William a lot of good, and I think her family has a lot to do with it, for all the sniffiness from the press about them daring to spend Christmas with her family and so on. She had a normal childhood (ok they're millionaires but you know what I mean) unlike William and Harry whose childhood was not normal, even apart from the public break up of their parents' marriage and I think that's helped her create what seems to be a normal family herself.

Poor Meghan, OTOH, hasn't had any of that. She has a dysfunctional family and, I suspect, is a dysfunctional person as a result. Put that along with Harry's own issues, and I don't think the marriage is going to lead to a happy environment for the children, whether it lasts or not. I think they function as a unit which perceives the rest of the world as a threat to them because that proves their importance.

superflyninja

retro:electro wrote: »

The funniest dynamic of the whole thing is Meghan wanted BP to come out and defend her over something as silly as a row over kiddies tights but has no bother at all putting the whole of the senior RF under the microscope for allegations of racism, knowing full well nobody can defend themselves and not giving enough details for anyone to even be able to begin to defend themselves. And so they all get tarnished.
You’ll never convince me that she is anything but a narcissist. I’ve only ever encountered one and they would leave you slack jawed with how they operate. They will be ten steps ahead of you at every turn. They will rewrite history to suit themselves and are at their most dangerous when they feel they are about to be exposed. They will blame you for not fixing problems that they created, and they can’t seem to grasp how some of their actions literally invite negative attention.
But they will always threaten you — either covertly or overtly and you will be let know through one way or another. It might not be a direct threat, it could come in the form of intimidation or shaming but the intention is the same. They will end up doing to you what they spent so long trying to convince others was happening to them, and they will act in the same manner of those whose actions they shame, and their ability to apportion blame to literally everyone else but themselves is incredible.

That’s why the timing is this interview is precarious. I think unless you have encountered one and can understand the manipulation and deception they are capable of then it’s hard to convince others of how powerful and utterly convincing they can be. Ultimately people just have to learn for themselves. And I don’t think this interview will age well, at all at all. I mean it’s already falling apart and it’s only been a month.

This times a thousand.
If I were to detail my run-ins with the biggest narcissist I know, you all would probably think I'm lying.
The brazen lengths they go to can be unreal. And they ALWAYS make sure they leave nice handy plausible nuggets of truth peppered in their stories so that if they are ever confronted that they have wiggle room.

bunny_mac

superflyninja wrote: »

This times a thousand.
If I were to detail my run-ins with the biggest narcissist I know, you all would probably think I'm lying.
The brazen lengths they go to can be unreal. And they ALWAYS make sure they leave nice handy plausible nuggets of truth peppered in their stories so that if they are ever confronted that they have wiggle room.

And in Meghan's case she drops in racism and mental health issues so she's basically untouchable. If anyone says anything bad about her they're a racist and/or a cold, unfeeling asshat.

Be right back

It's funny how she can accuse the family of being racist but she got a wreath for Philip's funeral so all is forgiven.

MoonUnit75

Be right back wrote: »

It's funny how she can accuse the family of being racist but she got a wreath for Philip's funeral so all is forgiven.

And made sure her unofficial media rep. Scobie let everyone know she wrote a note in her own handwriting. Amazing, compassionate woman. It's interesting how they phrased her 'inability' to travel, that she 'did not receive clearance' from medical professionals to fly. That doesn't mean she ever actually asked.

So it seems Harry might stay another few days, I'd say that went down well at home.

walshb

bunny_mac wrote: »

And in Meghan's case she drops in racism and mental health issues so she's basically untouchable. If anyone says anything bad about her they're a racist and/or a cold, unfeeling asshat.

Well, I couldn’t give a toss about what folks think

I called bullsh1t on both those grenades she launched..

Vindictive bullsh1t

retro:electro

I didn’t realise that Carole Middleton halted all publicity for her edition with Good Housekeeping magazine out of respect for the Queen and Philip when she learned he had been taken to hospital. They must have known things were serious and she made that decision so she wouldn’t look insensitive. Makes it even worse then when you consider that the gruesome twosome ploughed through regardless, and it’s not as if their interview was to do with how to perfectly trim a rose bush or start your first vegetable patch. They were the catalyst for so much upset and hate in the final few weeks of Philip’s life. When the Queen should have been worrying about him, she was preoccupied with trying to issue a statement in response to their ridiculous interview. And they have to live with that forever.
It goes to show the difference in being brought up and being dragged up.

end of the road

retro:electro wrote: »

You’ll never convince me that she is anything but a narcissist. I’ve only ever encountered one and they would leave you slack jawed with how they operate. They will be ten steps ahead of you at every turn. They will rewrite history to suit themselves and are at their most dangerous when they feel they are about to be exposed. They will blame you for not fixing problems that they created, and they can’t seem to grasp how some of their actions literally invite negative attention.
But they will always threaten you — either covertly or overtly and you will be let know through one way or another. It might not be a direct threat, it could come in the form of intimidation or shaming but the intention is the same. They will end up doing to you what they spent so long trying to convince others was happening to them, and they will act in the same manner of those whose actions they shame, and their ability to apportion blame to literally everyone else but themselves is incredible.

That’s why the timing is this interview is precarious. I think unless you have encountered one and can understand the manipulation and deception they are capable of then it’s hard to convince others of how powerful and utterly convincing they can be. Ultimately people just have to learn for themselves. And I don’t think this interview will age well, at all at all. I mean it’s already falling apart and it’s only been a month.

here is the thing.
nobody needs to convince you that she isn't a narcissist, as the reality is that so far everything is against the ammiter/internet psycology.

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

And made sure her unofficial media rep. Scobie let everyone know she wrote a note in her own handwriting. Amazing, compassionate woman. It's interesting how they phrased her 'inability' to travel, that she 'did not receive clearance' from medical professionals to fly. That doesn't mean she ever actually asked.

So it seems Harry might stay another few days, I'd say that went down well at home.

i'd imagine it went down fine.

Leg End Reject

end of the road wrote: »

here is the thing.
nobody needs to convince you that she isn't a narcissist, as the reality is that so far everything is against the ammiter/internet psycology.

What exactly is against the amateur/internet psychology?

Are you a qualified psychologist and able to refute it with evidence?

retro:electro

end of the road wrote: »

here is the thing.
nobody needs to convince you that she isn't a narcissist, as the reality is that so far everything is against the ammiter/internet psycology.

Sorry you’ve lost me.

bunny_mac

end of the road wrote: »

here is the thing.
nobody needs to convince you that she isn't a narcissist, as the reality is that so far everything is against the ammiter/internet psycology.

Here's your 'ammiter' psychology:

'In the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), [1] NPD is defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by the presence of at least 5 of the following 9 criteria:

A grandiose sense of self-importance

A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions

A need for excessive admiration

A sense of entitlement

Interpersonally exploitive behavior

A lack of empathy

Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her

A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes'

Meghan's behaviour displays ALL of those characteristics.

Furthermore, I imagine there are very few narcissists out there who've actually been diagnosed in person because the very nature of narcissism means it's highly unlikely that a narc will think their behaviour is problematic so they would never seek help from a psych. They're right and everyone else is wrong!

Feisar

retro:electro wrote: »

I didn’t realise that Carole Middleton halted all publicity for her edition with Good Housekeeping magazine out of respect for the Queen and Philip when she learned he had been taken to hospital. They must have known things were serious and she made that decision so she wouldn’t look insensitive. Makes it even worse then when you consider that the gruesome twosome ploughed through regardless, and it’s not as if their interview was to do with how to perfectly trim a rose bush or start your first vegetable patch. They were the catalyst for so much upset and hate in the final few weeks of Philip’s life. When the Queen should have been worrying about him, she was preoccupied with trying to issue a statement in response to their ridiculous interview. And they have to live with that forever.
It goes to show the difference in being brought up and being dragged up.

Ya can't buy class.

Ckendrick

Be right back wrote: »

Where are the 10 years gone since they married?

The choker and earrings are a matching set borrowed from the Queen. The Queen had the set made up many years ago from a set of pearls presented to her as a gift from the Japanese government.
I saw a picture yesterday of Diana wearing the same set taken over 35 years ago.
What people don’t realise is that the Queen knows that she doesn’t actually own these beautiful things.
They are belonging to the British people. It’s great to see them being worn especially with such panache by the Duchess who is becoming more regal every time she appears. She is the epitome of sheer class and an example to all young girls.

walshb

Feisar wrote: »

Ya can't buy class.

Indeed

Kate oozes class and style. Blemishless character.

And it’s all down to her being very simple and easy going and natural.

Meghan is an act. An actress. Just way way out of her depth here as regards representing the RF

And I think she found it out pretty quickly, and instead of accepting it and getting on with it, or leaving, she had to make it all about her.

Harry is the real puzzle in all of this..

Born into the RF: He knew nothing else but rules, tradition, duty and service..

30 or so years of it. He then meets some nobody actress, and within no time he’s full steam ahead trashy Hollywood style attacking his family. Just utterly bizarre

Ckendrick

Leg End Reject wrote: »

What exactly is against the amateur/internet psychology?

Are you a qualified psychologist and able to refute it with evidence?

No. You need to check the posting history there.

end of the road

bunny_mac wrote: »

Here's your 'ammiter' psychology:

'In the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), [1] NPD is defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by the presence of at least 5 of the following 9 criteria:

A grandiose sense of self-importance

A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions

A need for excessive admiration

A sense of entitlement

Interpersonally exploitive behavior

A lack of empathy

Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her

A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes'

Meghan's behaviour displays ALL of those characteristics.

Furthermore, I imagine there are very few narcissists out there who've actually been diagnosed in person because the very nature of narcissism means it's highly unlikely that a narc will think their behaviour is problematic so they would never seek help from a psych. They're right and everyone else is wrong!

her behaviour doesn't display any of those, given what we do know about her.
nobody is perfect but to claim she displays any of those characteristics is a stretch, in fairness as it is small scale stuff has to be twisted into being something huge so as to fit the claim, so that should be obvious.

walshb wrote: »

Indeed

Kate oozes class and style. Blemishless character.

And it’s all down to her being very simple and easy going and natural.

Meghan is an act. An actress. Just way way out of her depth here as regards representing the RF

And I think she found it out pretty quickly, and instead of accepting it and getting on with it, or leaving, she had to make it all about her.

Harry is the real puzzle in all of this..

Born into the RF: He knew nothing else but rules, tradition, duty and service..

30 or so years of it. He then meets some nobody actress, and within no time he’s full steam ahead trashy Hollywood style attacking his family. Just utterly bizarre

nothing bizarre about it at all.
he grew up in the rf and saw what goes with it.

he went with it because that is what he knew, however whether he was actually happy with it or not is very debatible.
previous relationships didn't work out because of the pressure of being in a relationship with a senior member of the rf, and he then met someone who had experience of a life outside the bubble of the rf, who by the looks of it is willing to stick around at least, who showed him a different experience.
he realised that this new experience was a much better one then having to endure what goes with being a senior member of the rf and the press intrusion, not to mention he was sick to his back teeth of the treatment received by his wife by elements of the UK press which was the final straw.
it might be the case that if it wasn't for those elements of the UK press then he may have stuck around and endured royal duties, and in time meghan may have been able to settle in, but that's not what happened and it's for their own sanity they had to get out.