2021 Irish EV sales

denismc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118253893#Comment_118253893

My 10 year old Skoda has a battery and a 12V socket for charging my phone, therefore it's self-charging and electric.🤣

liamog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118255561#Comment_118255561

Nice try, but it needs to be part of system providing motive power, not just the starter motor. The definition used by our government is naff, but it's not quite that naff.

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118251878#Comment_118251878

The population is in 1000s so I read the graph for example in Waterford are 3 EVs for 1000 people.

The population data is from CSO 2016 census. Plotted using excel. Raw data in attach. Someone with more skill to plot for each year and make a timeline animation. That would be cool

EV-by-county.xlsx

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118255721#Comment_118255721

That's against 2021 data only, right?

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256268#Comment_118256268

No it is against the total since 2008

the_amazing_raisin

Interesting to compare that map against the installed HPC locations

For example here's ABRP showing HPCs only (sorry for the badly cropped image, I had to zoom in to get all the HPCs to display)

One can almost start to say there's a good correlation between decent charging resources and EV sales

For example, Carrick-on-Shannon is the only HPC in the Northwest, which also has the lowest EV ownership

You'd hope that someone is looking at this and thinking that maybe more chargers should be installed in these areas to encourage EV uptake

slave1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118253504#Comment_118253504

Look at the best in class Norway, even with their mega achievements in EV pick up and incentives, right now just 15% of vehicles on Norway roads are EVs.

It takes a long time to weed out existing population of ICE vehicles.

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256505#Comment_118256505

Well that's depressing. So the highest percentage of EV ownership in Ireland is in Dublin, at 0.6% of Dubs owning an EV (not Dublin drivers, but population of Dublin, so it'd never be anything near 100%)

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118251689#Comment_118251689

The stats for cars without combustion is 8.4% of sales vs 4.4% last year.. Less than one in 10. Even the most optimistic don't count hybrid as electric.

By the time the greens reaches battery car targets there will be figured out a new technology.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257607#Comment_118257607

It's because short drives and affluence (and a bit of smug 😉).

ELM327

I agree Lorenzo, and probably more the latter 2 than the former even.

There's a clear divide between north and south. Anytime I'm south of the city (and I do be around Nutgrove area quite a bit) there's EVs everywhere, and nice ones at that - Tesla, Etron etc. The northside has much fewer and usually leafs etc. Lots of EV taxis.

ozmo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118107651#Comment_118107651

Im not surprised take up is low… Im looking for one myself but am bamboozled with the number of things to watch out for.

- as soon as I think I have my list another thing like plug compatibility above gets added.

Leaf was on my list of possibles - seems an ideal starter ev car - nice to drive and not so expensive...

…or can anyone recommend a cheat sheet, or another thread here, with suggestions of what i need consider. Or what car to look out for

(Milage of 150km+ range- used is ok- 20k euros aprox budget ideal, lots gadgets nice).

ta.

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118258507#Comment_118258507

Hyundai ioniq. Should get 150km all year (motorways might be pushing it). Should be able to get 2017 versions for 15k, and they're full of tech for the money.

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118257607#Comment_118257607

National average is 0.4% with the caveat that 2016 census has 4.7M population although I saw reports we're above 5M. I didn't find any source with pop by county up to date. So it could be lower. We are missing the imports and commercials which could raise the figures a bit.

44% of the whole 19k BEVs were registered this year. Which means the EV lot nearly doubled in a year. If the trend continues we would see 15k more next year. Are we ready for it?

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118258964#Comment_118258964

+1 on the Ioniq 28.

We're on our second!

MightyMunster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118256706#Comment_118256706

Think you're missing some on your filter. Birdhill, Cork, Tralee, actually maybe all the Tesla Superchargers i.e. the biggest HPC network in the country 😁

the_amazing_raisin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118267483#Comment_118267483

Ah yes, I forgot ABRP is smart enough not to show superchargers when I select a non Tesla 😅

Still a pretty sizable black hole for chargers even with the supercharger network factored in

cannco253

https://www.rte.ie/news/environment/2021/1222/1268163-emissions/

"The shift towards electric vehicles has been outpaced by the shift towards SUVs and the IEA says there would be need to be twice as many EVs on the road as there is now to offset the rise in emissions caused by the growth in popularity of SUVs.

Electric SUVs are becoming more popular and in 2021, around 55% of the electric car models on the market were SUVs, up from 45% two years ago. For the first time ever, the electrification ratio of SUVs matches the electrification ratio of non-SUV cars. In both the United States and the European Union, e-SUVs are expected to account for more than 55% of all electric car sales in 2021."

Any idea how many SUVs vs Electric SUVs sold in Ireland in 2021?

Will EV sales in Ireland hit 10,000 for 2021?

Mr Q

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364800#Comment_118364800

How are they defining a SUV? Toyota call the Yaris Cross a SUV, I call it a big Yaris

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118364800#Comment_118364800

Not a hope. 1500 in December is required. Highest sales were July with 1800 and March when the id4 arrived.

Ballylad

Highly recommend a hyundai ioniq as a starter electric, great unlimited 5 year mileage warranty from new, never had an issue with it. There might be some privately sold hyundai 64kw kona ev mid twenty price range if you are lucky, great car, a little smaller though than the ioniq in back and boot but fantastic range. I was getting 190 km range in winter and 240 in summer with moderate driving (<100km/hr) for ioniq, kona is giving 400 in winter and 450 in summer, obviously if you do a lot of 120km/hr motorway drives, this will affect stated ranges.

sk8board

How have 2nd hand values been holding up on the kona and e-Niro versus their ICE siblings? they were a big hit when they came out

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118400504#Comment_118400504

Cheapest 2019 Kona Ev is 29k, vs 38k new. 24% depreciation.

Cheapest 2019 Kona petrol is 19k, vs 26k new. 27% depreciation.

sk8board

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118401409#Comment_118401409

Thanks for that - basically identical, assuming both cars had similar miles. a concern with early EV’s was always going to be the speed of iteration with the tech and range, and that seems to be exactly what is happening.

The ‘new’ base model 3 is a great example. the initial version was the best EV of its day and very future-proofed, but now the same car has been made better underneath, but still costs about the same, (and it makes the LR seem expensive now too). In future when you’re buying a 2nd hand M3, the older version of the same car will be harder to sell - like selling a pre ‘08 520d versus a 520d from July ‘08 onwards. Same same, but actually very different.

SomeGuyCalledMi

Am I right in saying that since the Green Party have been in government, the grants on EVs have been reduced (now only available for cars under 60k)

and the zero BIK on company EVs is being phased out? Have they replaced these with something else?

I think they said that the zero BIK rate was only temporary as the price of EVs was expected to fall. But the price is only going up as far as I can see.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413700#Comment_118413700

Hopefully; doling out scarce dosh to people who can afford 60k cars and extra benefit to company directors who virtue signal (and trade up) with an EV is a bad joke - the OEMs are just laughing and shoving up the prices anyway

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413700#Comment_118413700

supply can’t keep up with demand. So no need for subsidies at that level.

sk8board

Apparently in the early 00’s when the Silicon Valley guys were all virtue signalling by driving around in $20k Prius’s, Jay Leno (I think it was) said that the first guy to make these guys a $100k sedan will make a fortune 😏

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118413802#Comment_118413802

Jay Leno is such a class guy. It is intelligent, open minded, forward thinking lads like him WITH A BIG AUDIENCE that move things on.

cannco253

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2022/0104/1269802-2021-new-car-registrations-up-19/

A total of 8,646 new electric cars were registered in 2021, an increase on the 4,013 registrations seen in 2020 and 3,444 in 2019.

Black_Knight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118417327#Comment_118417327

If supply can keep up with demand, it could double again. Hard to see it with all the shortages going on though.

Not sure what the highly anticipated EV of 2022 is going to be either. Ariya likely going to be big money. Model y too. Audi and BMW will be high priced and limited sales as a result. EV6 looks the best of the bunch in terms of sales power. Citron Ami if it comes here might sell a few, but there's no Id3 or ID4 equivalent I can see. Yet.

Id3 has had its big push. ID4 prices are only going up, and slow to get hold of one. Enyaq never got the numbers in Ireland and like the ID4 it can't be gotten hold of.

ted1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118418460#Comment_118418460

Will Seat have supply this year. Running the MEB platform

TitianGerm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118418460#Comment_118418460

The electric Mégane will be a big seller I'd imagine but any delays and it won't hit 2022 in any sort of numbers.

I'd love to see a Polo sized ID car.

Grumpypants

I've my order in for the new MG ZS EV. It should be here in Feb, first time ever buying a new car. I gave up the hopes of getting my model S with 7 seats. Used prices went a bit silly and for the money (€35k) I'd be getting an end if warranty model rather than a new MG with a full 7 years peace if mind.

I think if MG can get enough shipped they will be in the top 5 this year. If you look at something as simple as the interest in it based on views on EV review channels like Noby or EV Ireland the MG videos perform well above the average. Noby's at 41,000 and EV Ireland at 21,000 views.

innrain

the figures are in. Very weak numbers overall with only 387 cars sold in December out of which 118 are EVs (30.5%).

Fun fact Tesla is the best sold brand taking Toyota by 3 and Model3 is also the best sold car taking Toyota's Corolla by 30 units. In rest figures for December are uninteresting

For the whole year were registered 8646 EVs 115% increase from 2020 and representing 8.24% market share. The top 10 EV brands looks like:

While we can say it was a good year as diesel dropped by 8.23% compared to 2020 I must draw attention to HEVs which increased by nearly 7k units and in my opinion this is a failure to address the climate change issue. The year 2022 will be the year where we will visible fall behind our EU neighbors even if the market share it is going to double.

ELM327

So more EVs were sold in 2021 than 2020+2019 combined, plus more.

More EVs than PHEVs, and a roughly 1:2 ratio of EV to HEV. Given the amount of greenwashing and toyota self charging advertising I think that 1:2 is actually quite impressive and set to rise again next year. I agree with the prior poster who said it could double in 2022 from 2021.

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118418460#Comment_118418460

Id3 has had its big push.

Isnt that a bit like saying the "Golf has had its big push" yet its still selling ~2300 a year.

The ID.3 and ID.4 sold 1271 and 1432 respectively. I'd expect both of those figures to go up either by robbing Golf and Tiguan sales or by robbing sales from other manufacturers. VW is up for the year overall so the latter is possible.

ID4 prices are only going up

True. Healthy sales though. Its outselling ID.3. Lets hope VW can meet demand and move the ID cars to their top 3 (5th and 6th right now).

Ariya likely going to be big money

Nissan really need to do something quick or they are toast. The top 3 or 4 sellers in this country have had consistent enough sales over the last 3 or 4 years (11-13k units). Nissan were selling ~12k units a few years ago and are now down to <5k for the year (60% drop in sales!!!).... that has gotta be hurting their bottomline. Ford are in the same boat, down about 50% over the last few years.

slave1

Surprised to see Nissan perform so well against better EV competitors, zero finance obviously did the trick

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420714#Comment_118420714

A lot of built up brand loyalty from previous generation Leaf owners who just wanted something newer / with more range so the new model Leaf was the obvious choice. Also it was one of the few EVs that were widely available last year and reasonable value for money.

AndyBoBandy

Add to that the Leaf has virtually it's own semi-private fast charging network courtesy of ESB eCars.

50% of every eCars fast charging site (with the exception of Mayfield) is exclusively for the Nissan Leaf (And Tesla Model S by way of the adaptor).

So it makes absolute sense to be buying a Leaf these days!!

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118420714#Comment_118420714

Nissan has a modest increase in sales when others like Kia went steady up. Hyundai is actually the only looser due to the expensive Kona dropping 30% vs 2020 which was already 50% less than 2019. Ioniq5 came too late and maybe too expensive to save face. MG is the big mover with 370 cars sold last year from 20 in 2020. They will probably sell more than Nissan this year. Hopefully they will be able to keep up. Credit to VW which sold more than places 2, 3 and 4 together. Tesla modest but on the podium by selling just one model which is fairly expensive /> 50k . I'm surprised with Volvo but maybe Polestar will turn around this year.

slave1

Tesla holding themselves back with no S, X or Y availability, GigaBerlin should address and also the updated MIC 3 will be a biggie

MuttonDagger

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118421454#Comment_118421454

Is this not only slightly true because you cant use both CCS & chadamo at the same time anyway ?

So it doesn't matter you're waiting either way?

slave1

you can use both on the high power units

Black_Knight

The Enyaq, though, will go on sale here, starting in April 2021. Skoda Ireland expects that it will be given 270 Enyaqs to sell next year as production gears up, and pretty much all of those are already booked.

236 sold.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118421454#Comment_118421454

Indeed and when you drive up in your Leaf and there is a pleb in a Taycan or Etron using the CCS, just plug your CHAdeMO in and they will of course get disconnected immediately and your Leaf will start charging. Plebs can wait.

Casati

Really positive to see such a big increase in EV sales, Ive no doubt they can double again this year with all the new EV's coming and the supply issues with diesels and petrols continuing

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429207#Comment_118429207

Unfortunately there are more supply issues with EVs than with diesels / petrols

Casati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118429316#Comment_118429316

Not what my recent dealer trips were telling me - e.g. if you want a new Tiguan he was saying order now and it 'might' come in October and a lot of dealers can't order certain diesels, e.g. Seat dealer told me he can't order a Tarraco for delivery at any time. Same story with Volvo dealer - who said he could order the PHEV's but not the mild hybrid diesels. Both VW/ Seat dealers said that EV's are coming though much faster. I've a mate waiting 9 months for a factory 5008 and it still isn't here- their EV's are delayed too but not as long. Toyota diesel's - i.e. Landcruiser are 12month+ wait now.

Seems to be no issue with the likes of EV6 before Christmas and a relatively short wait if you want an Earth, and Tesla is a 3 month wait. Hyundai Ioniq 5's seem to be in plenty supply too. VW have got production up with ID3's and ID4's so wait times should be 3 to 6 months I'm hearing. Nissan seem to have stock Leaf's.

ELM327

Nissan are literally giving away leaf stock at this point. You can rock up and get one with no money down "subscribe and drive", or pay a 10% deposit and get 0% interest.

Clearing ship before the Ariya obliterates the leaf. They can't have both on sale at the same time without drastically discounting the leaf. Same as the switch from L30 to L40.