Right wing extremist group behind Dublin Protest say Gardai

Polar101

suicide_circus wrote: »

Remember, this was a mostly peaceful protest

Some of them had fireworks so they could fire at the Gardai, but not armed otherwise?

Snake Plisken

Snake Plisken wrote: »

From the photos I saw at top of Grafton st it looked like a bunch of city centre druggy looking scum who were causing the trouble.
I'd say all the NGO's got onto Drew to change his statement. Little man bun Mark (SoundMigration) Malone probably had a word in his ear! Pisses me off my taxes fund the likes of him!

Ah the conspiracy theory route but it seems more likely that Harris can't substantiate his claim.

salmocab

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

We are all wise to the double standards by now. Some dont admit it

Speaking of admitting things you haven’t admitted being wrong about the Garda head wear.

Collie D

salmocab wrote: »

Speaking of admitting things you haven’t admitted being wrong about the Garda head wear.

Personally I am waiting for him to volunteer for a firework to the face to show it’s no big deal.

ExMachina1000

salmocab wrote: »

Speaking of admitting things you haven’t admitted being wrong about the Garda head wear.

Still waiting for the equal share of outrage and outcry to be distributed towards the other protests and violence seen in the past year before I make my move.

sydthebeat

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Does the very definition of left or right wing not make the violent protesters left wing?

The right support authority, the left freedom

It’s completely irrelevant of course but why has the media redefined it?

They haven't.

Right wing is pro individual rights
Left wing is pro communal rights.

Those scrotes yesterday were only thinking of themselves, evidently right wing.

Curse These Metal Hands

I heard it was radical centrists.

francois

Blue lives matter fanbois going through some mental gymnastics. The Garda did their job, and were quite restrained in their response.

quintana76

Manach wrote: »

I've read recently the book "Extremism: The Mit Press Essential Knowledge by J. M. Berger". In summary, Extremist: anyone who disagrees with the current establishment and challenges them who are not part of the loyal opposition. Using such charged and politically fluid terms the Garda hierarchy are showing themselves to be less than adroit.

It has rendered the true significance of the term 'far right' meaningless. It is rapidly becoming a badge of honour as the identity of anyone who opposes any aspect of the current hegemony of Government, NGOs, media and big tech multinationals and their policies.

They have no valid defensive arguments so they label any opposition as being 'far right' to hopefully deem them as beyond reason and best ignored
It is no longer working. New term urgently needed.

Mullaghteelin

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Does the very definition of left or right wing not make the violent protesters left wing?

The right support authority, the left freedom

It’s completely irrelevant of course but why has the media redefined it?

To say the right support authority, the left freedom is too simplistic.
It can also be said that the left prefer strong government with lots of regulation, while the right prefer less government intervention in our lives.
Across to the board the left are most enthusiastic about keeping us in strict lockdown, while the right have consistently called for normality to resume.
The left have accused the right of putting economy over public health, while the right accuse the left of being unaffected financially by lockdown, or that the left actually wants economic ruin.

NeuralNetwork

I would think though there is genuinely reason to be very, very aware of extremists and the insane conspiracy theories online. They seem minor, or even laughable until they lash out and then there’s a serious problem.

It didn’t take anything more than a guy with an improvised weapon, who had a xenophobic agenda and who had bought into every conspiracy theory going, to end up killing British MP, Jo Cox.

It’s one reason we need to absolutely dial back and challenge head on the rhetoric that starts trying to vilify individual TDs or ministers. There’s a huge difference between disagreeing and even protesting and and stuff like throwing around extremely inflammatory terms of abuse, which has happened here in the last few months with some of those groups. I mean when you’ve people shouting “pedo” etc it’s pretty screwed up territory.

You’re perfectly entitled to disagree with politicians, parties and governments and we have a really broad set of options and PR voting and nobody’s going to stop you venting on air, online or anywhere else, but when people start going down the route of crazy conspiracy theories, protesting people’s homes, attacking offices and violence and threats generally, that’s where democracy dies.

I mean, think about it: Who in their right mind would want to stand for office anymore in the USA? Your life would be turned upside down and you’d be constantly on the receiving end of personal abuse. The result of that is feeding into collapse of US politics. It’s driving the general public away and those who do engage are loud, aggressive and in bunkers.

We have a decent system here at the moment and it’s in a good situation in terms of political discourse and ability to argue without ripping itself apart and we could really do without importing American crazy and dysfunctional politics into what has evolved into a system that’s been very capable of having grown up discussions on very hard issues over the last couple of decades.

It’s not even about the left vs the right. The vast majority of (almost all) of our elected reps from the most left socialists to the most pro business FF and FGers are decent politicians and have proven they can debate and interact sanely.

There are a few imports from the USA we could do without and bunker politics, negative campaigning and Q anon are certainly on that list.

Birneybau

JeffKenna wrote: »

Something needs to be done about the hard left in this country. Hope they are locked up after yesterday.

Explain

francois

Birneybau wrote: »

Explain

Possibly the worst attempt at sh1tposting I've seen in a long time

tdf7187

This will be disappointing to certain posters here who want to blame everything on the phantom bogeyman 'the left'. One of them decided, based on no evidence, that the populist right wing Yellow Vests protests were orchestrated by Sinn Fein.

tdf7187

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I would think though there is genuinely reason to be very, very aware of extremists and the insane conspiracy theories online. They seem minor, or even laughable until they lash out and then there’s a serious problem.

It didn’t take anything more than a guy with an improvised weapon, who had a xenophobic agenda and who had bought into every conspiracy theory going, to end up killing British MP, Jo Cox.

It’s one reason we need to absolutely dial back and challenge head on the rhetoric that starts trying to vilify individual TDs or ministers. There’s a huge difference between disagreeing and even protesting and and stuff like throwing around extremely inflammatory terms of abuse, which has happened here in the last few months with some of those groups. I mean when you’ve people shouting “pedo” etc it’s pretty screwed up territory.

You’re perfectly entitled to disagree with politicians, parties and governments and we have a really broad set of options and PR voting and nobody’s going to stop you venting on air, online or anywhere else, but when people start going down the route of crazy conspiracy theories, protesting people’s homes, attacking offices and violence and threats generally, that’s where democracy dies.

I mean, think about it: Who in their right mind would want to stand for office anymore in the USA? Your life would be turned upside down and you’d be constantly on the receiving end of personal abuse. The result of that is feeding into collapse of US politics. It’s driving the general public away and those who do engage are loud, aggressive and in bunkers.

We have a decent system here at the moment and it’s in a good situation in terms of political discourse and ability to argue without ripping itself apart and we could really do without importing American crazy and dysfunctional politics into what has evolved into a system that’s been very capable of having grown up discussions on very hard issues over the last couple of decades.

It’s not even about the left vs the right. The vast majority of (almost all) of our elected reps from the most left socialists to the most pro business FF and FGers are decent politicians and have proven they can debate and interact sanely.

There are a few imports from the USA we could do without and bunker politics, negative campaigning and Q anon are certainly on that list.

There was only one guy shouting about prominent politicians being 'paedos', a former journalist, and he is a well-known mentalist who has been banned numerous times from social media and needs to be in treatment. I don't support the current protests but I also have a problem with the 'softly softly' approach you are advocating regarding politicians. Most politicians don't deserve my respect. I have my reasons.

Rockfox

You mean the Right support "authoritarianism"...

NeuralNetwork

It’s orchestrated by a bubble of basically online conspiracies that exist outside Irish politics. It’s just feeding them if people start trying to associate it with any of the Irish political parties.

You’re looking at groups, organised online that have a definite objective of disrupting the calm, reasoned, peaceful stability of the Irish system or any system. They want to undermine the “mainstream media” and see functioning electoral politics as something to be smashed up.

Getting parties here to start turning on each other is a massive own goal by those who engage in it and there are, unfortunately, people who are very quick to suck that stuff up.

salmocab

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Still waiting for the equal share of outrage and outcry to be distributed towards the other protests and violence seen in the past year before I make my move.

Don’t worry you don’t need to admit you made it up as everyone already saw it.

combat14

so if you dont agree with a one year never ending lockdown you are now labelled a nazi

isnt that just great

ExMachina1000

salmocab wrote: »

Don’t worry you don’t need to admit you made it up as everyone already saw it.

So the equal condemnation isnt coming I take it

CtevenSrowder

tdf7187 wrote: »

There was only one guy shouting about prominent politicians being 'paedos', a former journalist, and he is a well-known mentalist who has been banned numerous times from social media and needs to be in treatment. I don't support the current protests but I also have a problem with the 'softly softly' approach you are advocating regarding politicians. Most politicians don't deserve my respect. I have my reasons.

Whilst politicians can piss me off it is still an incredibly difficult job. We are lucky in Ireland that political discourse is still political, and not personal like it's become in America for example. Politics in Ireland is still in a good place in Ireland for the most part, and certainly compared to other areas of the World.

NeuralNetwork

combat14 wrote: »

so if you dont agree with a one year never ending lockdown you are now labelled a nazi

isnt that just great

See! That’s exactly how it’s done. Throw in commentary that removes all nuance or subtly from discussion and turn it into “us” vs “them”.

Nobody has said if you don’t agree with a lockdown you’re a Nazi.

I mean you’ve three parties in office two of which are so pro business that lock downs go against every grain of their being and the other party could be better described as a bunch of hippies, yet somehow they’re being cast online as wanting to do nothing more than shut down the economy and limit personal freedoms.

How does than even make any sense?!

They opened the place up at Christmas because they were responding to political winds that wanted a meaningful Christmas and we ended up with the worst COVID rates in the entire world in January.

It’s like people have no memory - barely more than a month ago we had THE WORST COVID RATE per capita on the planet. That is why we’re are at Level 5. Not because someone has some lockdown obsession.

It wasn’t just a little bit bad. It could have completely collapsed the health system and run riot had we just continued on as if nothing was happening.

Half the commentary online is claiming that they totalitarians and the other half is claiming they’re refusing to seal the country off entirely.

We’re rock and place territory with COVID and I think most of the pubic fully realises that when you look at polling.

Clicking our ruby slippers together and making it all go away isn’t an option. We are stuck with this fecking virus and we have to and mostly are dealing with that. It’s not a perfect response but you’re not going to get 4.9 million people to all get everything right when it comes to a highly technical and abstract problem none of us has ever encountered before.

But sure reduce it to the most simple name calling. That’ll really help!

combat14

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

See! That’s exactly how it’s done. Throw in commentary that removes all nuance or subtly from discussion and turn it into “us” vs “them”.

Nobody has said if you don’t agree with a lockdown you’re a Nazi.

I mean you’ve three parties in office two of which are so pro business that lock downs go against every grain of their being and the other party could be better described as a bunch of hippies, yet somehow they’re being cast online as wanting to do nothing more than shut down the economy and limit personal freedoms.

How does than even make any sense?!

They opened the place up at Christmas because they were responding to political winds that wanted a meaningful Christmas and we ended up with the worst COVID rates in the entire world in January.

It’s like people have no memory - barely more than a month ago we had THE WORST COVID RATE per capita on the planet. That is why we’re are at Level 5. Not because someone has some lockdown obsession.

It wasn’t just a little bit bad. It could have completely collapsed the health system and run riot had we just continued on as if nothing was happening.

Half the commentary online is claiming that they totalitarians and the other half is claiming they’re refusing to seal the country off entirely.

We’re rock and place territory with COVID and I think most of the pubic fully realises that when you look at polling.

Clicking out ruby slippers together and making it all go away isn’t an option. We are stuck with this fecking virus and we have to and mostly are dealing with that. It’s not a perfect response but you’re not going to get 4.9 million people to all get everything right when it comes to a highly technical and abstract problem none of us has ever encountered before.

But sure reduce it to the most simple name calling. That’ll really help!

good post - i was only responding to the title of the thread:



Right wing extremist group behind Dublin Protest say Gardai

suicide_circus

I'm Decco and i'm on de far righ, righ?!

Birneybau

francois wrote: »

Possibly the worst attempt at sh1tposting I've seen in a long time

So we just accept b.s. at face value?

NeuralNetwork

There are times when you’d wonder about humans. We’ve the collective intellect to see what the issues are and how to solve them, but we’ve the mentality of fighting tribes.

Seems to me for all the bright visions of a high tech, open minded, optimistic future we could just as easily end up in some of post industrial Dark Ages, with a large dose of Mad Max all driven by online rumours.

COVID seems like it will either make us or break us as it’s the first serious problem a relatively entitled “west” has had to deal with in our lifetimes and it just seems many are throwing the toys out of the pram rather than actually trying to fix the problem.

Ireland’s far from the worst but when you look around the USA or Europe - conspiracy theories in the main steam, violence, chaotic politics, weak leadership relying on populism to keep power rather than competence, some of the weakest journalism in decades, largely being caused by imploding media as sales as online social platforms squeeze them out, so there’s no money to fund it anymore.

Then throw a pandemic into a system and a society or group of societies, large chunks of which are too self absorbed to respond in a practical way, preferring to hide in online bubbles where they’ve their own reality.

Depressing.

meep

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The law is an ass.

The garda had riot helmets on. No danger.

Iv no interest in the hyperbole

So, to extend your logic, if gardai had bullet proof vests on, it would be a OK to shoot at them ???

Collie D

Birneybau wrote: »

So we just accept b.s. at face value?

I had taken it as being aimed at the BS post you asked to be explained

McHardcore

NeuralNetwork wrote: »

I mean you’ve three parties in office two of which are so pro business that lock downs go against every grain of their being and the other party could be better described as a bunch of hippies, yet somehow they’re being cast online as wanting to do nothing more than shut down the economy and limit personal freedoms.

How does than even make any sense?!

This is an excellent point. Logically, it makes no sense for the government to want a lockdown if it weren't for the virus.

Unfortunately, we have a minority of people who wish to ignore the view of science and experts and accept illogical explanations instead. The reason why, is because it gives them a feeling of superiority over "the sheep" in that they know "the truth" and everyone else is wrong.

Mimon

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Again it's a firework not a molotov cocktail.

Their clothes and body going on fire? Lol. It didn't happen nor is it probable.
Remember I said about the hyperbole.

There were fireworks and rocks thrown at Gardai in blanchardstown too recently.

Would you stand there and take one point blank in the face, no you fkn wouldn't, cop to fk on with this ****e.