130km commute?

Truckermal

Would a 130km be achievable in a PHEV or EV comfortably? Currently using a Diesel and getting 40MPG...

That's the round trip BTW..

patmac

Ioniq 28kw would be ideal for this, I have one for 2 years now on a 100km round trip and have saved about €4500 approximately, complete no brainer if you are spending your own money.

Gumbo

Truckermal wrote: »

Would a 130km be achievable in a PHEV or EV comfortably? Currently using a Diesel and getting 40MPG...

That's the round trip BTW..

In a PHEV, of course. It will be 90% on petrol though.

In an EV, anything from a L40 up should do it.
Leah 30 may but it will be too tight for comfort on a daily basis in my opinion.

slave1

Leaf 30 owner coming off 104km daily commute, would not recommend 130kms for depths of Winter, too close to the bone

unkel

Ioniq would be fine for that commute, even on a bad day in winter. One sold last week from a reputable dealer for €13900 but that was a bit of an outlier. Expect to pay at least €15k for a private sale one from 2017. This will still have a years bumper to bumper warranty left and 4 years warranty on battery and drive train

Go test drive one, try get one from a dealer and get it for a 24h test drive if you can. This helps a lot when you are new to EVs and you want to try it out properly while doing your normal commute, try if it fits the stuff you want to carry, kids car seats etc.

Truckermal

unkel wrote: »

Ioniq would be fine for that commute, even on a bad day in winter. One sold last week from a reputable dealer for €13900 but that was a bit of an outlier. Expect to pay at least €15k for a private sale one from 2017. This will still have a years bumper to bumper warranty left and 4 years warranty on battery and drive train

Go test drive one, try get one from a dealer and get it for a 24h test drive if you can. This helps a lot when you are new to EVs and you want to try it out properly while doing your normal commute, try if it fits the stuff you want to carry, kids car seats etc.

No need to carry anything only me! God they look awful compared to other Cars I've owned! Still though if they are comfortable and reliable I'd buy one.

unkel

It's no BMW / Audi in the looks department

And it's a FWD econobox with a cheap enough interior. Not a driver's car either but an excellent, reliable and very comfortable car all the same. Go drive one and you might agree.

irishgrover

Truckermal wrote: »

No need to carry anything only me! God they look awful compared to other Cars I've owned! Still though if they are comfortable and reliable I'd buy one.

their looks are certainly up for debate, however there are perfect for your use case. In addition, and this is a personal opinion, there are very comfortable and enjoyable to drive. Our "other car" is a bmw 530e and I personally prefer driving the ioniq. If you can find a UK import of a "premium SE" it's got slightly higher specs, but a spedo primarily in mph.
I would also look at a Leaf 40 which would easily do what you need.

zg3409

The ioniq with 28kWh would reliably do that commute or a 40kWh battery of another car.
The ioniq typically has 160km at least range in all weathers and all speeds, however there are some downsides:

You are leaving it tight with only 30km range spare. If you need to go shopping in evening, or visit a friend, you are close to running out every winter evening.

If you want to go on a weekend trip beyond range, as in more than 80km from home, you need to publically charge in order to make it back home again. Public chargers are often busy, broken and blocked and there are not that many 40kW+ chargers that you need versus the solder 7kW (for ioniq) typical public charger.

Ideally you need access to a second car for long trips for a stress free life. Another option is a car with bigger battery say 60kW+ which gives you possibly 300+km range, but on trips beyond 150km from home you need to publicly charge and a bigger battery takes lomnger to fill, so might be 1 hour stop.

If you do switch to EV go in with eyes wide open, fuel savings can be 2,000 per year, versus diesel, but public chargers and lack of them is an issue. Try not to public charge regularly and you should be ok

MJohnston

The secret weapon of EVs is that even the cheapest of them have a level of driving comfort that's way, way above comparable petrol/diesel cars. Doing away with the idea of having gears is probably the biggest boost.

Gumbo

Gumbo wrote: »

Leah 30 may but it will be too tight for comfort on a daily basis in my opinion.

Currently doing 100km daily round trip in a Leaf40
Min usage 40% max 51%

ELM327

I did it in a leaf24 (with home and work charging) , and an ioniq28 with just work charging, I never plugged in at home! Even in the depths of winter on the motorway at 120+ , the Ioniq will always do 130km with room to spare.

liamog

My absolute worst range was driving uphill in a winter storm with a headwind, the Ioniq only managed 145km that day. We made it home on turtle mode

ewj1978

L40, Ioniq, BMWi3 (94ah), Low battery sized kona, Niro, e-soul, Zoe 40 would all comfortably do that.
I had the L30 and agree with others it'd be a bit tight on very cold wet winters day.

Kramer

Truckermal wrote: »

[Ioniq].God they look awful compared to other Cars I've owned!

The non white Ioniqs look OK, especially with the front wrapped & privacy glass (2019 models), or tinted.

Truckermal

OK it's me again what's your thoughts on the Leaf offer with 0% finance and the €4000 scrappage?

Clocked my journey and it's 110KM I am sick of diesel and all the hassle of old Cars.

How much electricity would it use? I work for a very good employer and I've been told they would install a charge point at work.

Why is one Leaf so much more expensive?

Also the guy with the 530E how far does it go in just EV mode?

slave1

If you're looking new then there is also the Ioniq38kWh car, Kia have some offers going on scrappage and with that car you are looking at circa 290kms range so you will easily get two days commute with one charge.
Folk are going to come on here soon and say this car has poor rapid charging which it has (compared to the Ioniq28 previously mentioned) but this "poor" rapid charging is very comparable to the poor rapid charging of the new Leaf you are also looking at.

If you are looking new I would take an Ioniq38 over a Leaf42 any day of the week, the Ioniq beats the Leaf IMHO

Truckermal

Charging time makes no difference because I'll be Home for at least 11 hours every day.

Only thing that turns me off Hyundai is local dealers are a shower of *****...

Kearys BTW..

KCross

Truckermal wrote: »

OK it's me again what's your thoughts on the Leaf offer with 0% finance and the €4000 scrappage?

So whats your on-the-road price? And what trim level is that for.... SV, SVE?

While the 0% might be enticing you should look at the other cars in that price range also.... e208, Corsa-e, ID.3, Ioniq etc

Any preference on style/size of car? Budget?

Truckermal wrote: »

How much electricity would it use?

Guideline figures only since it depends on the car, driving conditions and the weight of your right foot...

22kWh/100km @7c/kWh --> €1.70 for 110km's.

Truckermal wrote: »

Clocked my journey and it's 110KM... I work for a very good employer and I've been told they would install a charge point at work.

With a daily commute of 110km you will save a small fortune on diesel (~€2k per year). If the employer makes good on his promise you will save even more. You are an ideal candidate for a BEV.

Truckermal wrote: »

Why is one Leaf so much more expensive?

There are two Leaf's.... 40kWh and 62kWh. Is that what you are referring to?

Obviously the 62kWh goes further!

TitianGerm

slave1 wrote: »

If you're looking new then there is also the Ioniq38kWh car, Kia have some offers going on scrappage and with that car you are looking at circa 290kms range so you will easily get two days commute with one charge.
Folk are going to come on here soon and say this car has poor rapid charging which it has (compared to the Ioniq28 previously mentioned) but this "poor" rapid charging is very comparable to the poor rapid charging of the new Leaf you are also looking at.

If you are looking new I would take an Ioniq38 over a Leaf42 any day of the week, the Ioniq beats the Leaf IMHO

Would you buy that over an ID3 at €34K?

Edit: The ID3 Family is €38,500 but is available at 1.9% PCP so the difference in rates between the VW and the Hyundai might mean your monthly payments are similar.

There are three lower spec models of the ID3 as well that are cheaper than the Family Spec with the Life €33,090 on the configurator. The Life is actually available at 0.9% PCP for stock cars as well.

Kramer

Truckermal wrote: »

Clocked my journey and it's 110KM I am sick of diesel and all the hassle of old Cars.

Also the guy with the 530E how far does it go in just EV mode?

530e wouldn't be a good choice for your usage pattern IMO - go full BEV. That said, it'll do anywhere from 25km (winter/cold etc.) to 50km (summer, warm, low average speed etc.).

peposhi

Over the next 6 weeks I will have 110km return trip 5 days a week, 80% at motorway speed. This morning was my first trip - used 29% in my eSoul. Would certainly not attempt it anymore in my 30kWh Leaf. There are some 39kWh eNiro and eSouls knocking about and I’d say they are a much better value than a 40kwh Leaf...

ELM327

peposhi wrote: »

Over the next 6 weeks I will have 110km return trip 5 days a week, 80% at motorway speed. This morning was my first trip - used 29% in my eSoul. Would certainly not attempt it anymore in my 30kWh Leaf. There are some 39kWh eNiro and eSouls knocking about and I’d say they are a much better value than a 40kwh Leaf...

Yes but those 39kWh cars charge very slowly on DC, same as the "Ioniq" 38.




The esoul/eniro/kona 64 are perfect for that trip.

peposhi

peposhi wrote: »

Over the next 6 weeks I will have 110km

Do you mean 110KM each way ?
Our leaf40 does the same trip every day since it was new.
100km a day, basically 50km at 100kph and 50km at 120kph.
Heat at 20c , preheated in the mooring off the mains and battery preheat in the evening.

average KW/100 over the last 18,000km is 17.5kw/100km
Leave with 100% and get home with between 48%-60% winter/summer .

If the roads are quite its easy to use more juice.

-just noticed I had already replied to this !

Truckermal

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/nissan-leaf-2018/27476903

Any thoughts on this Leaf? I can get a brand new one in SVP spec for 28000..

ELM327

Don't buy a new one.
That 2018 should do the trip ok-ish, same as the Ioniq28

Truckermal

ELM327 wrote: »

Don't buy a new one.
That 2018 should do the trip ok-ish, same as the Ioniq28

Why not a new one?

ELM327

Truckermal wrote: »

Why not a new one?

The leaf is old tech, it uses chademo and has no active cooling. It will (and has already to some extent) depreciate like a stone.


It's like buying a blackberry phone when everyone else is just getting their hands on the first iPhones.

unkel

Someone was linking to a brand new Leaf 40kWh for €25k here last week. Try find the link. That's a lot of car for the money if you can live with the shortcomings of the Leaf (inefficient, obsolete and very slow fast charging, higher than typical depreciation), which doesn't seem to bother most owners. Personally I would wait until the base model ID.3 comes out which won't be an awful lot more money than that and it is a far superior offering. Unless you have more than 2 kids, then it's just too small in the back.

Truckermal

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-full-electric-5dr-auto/27505993

How about one of these?

ELM327

Great car, great price.

Buddy Bubs

Has the question been asked if you can charge at your destination before return trip? If so I'd get a phev which should do it about 50/50 petrol and electric I'd imagine going by a 30-40 km battery range.
I've seen you talk about budgets of 28000, you'd get a nice big phev for that (I'm talking 530e) or an early 330e which won't quite have the range but will be a lot cheaper to buy leaving you with some money for extra petrol you'll use.
Assuming you want a car like that in the first place.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Great car, great price.

+1

Still under bumper-bumper manufacturer's warranty for another year too. Will suffer only very low depreciation going forward. If you'd rather spend €15k than €25k (or more) on an EV that needs to do a 130km round trip all year around, this is the only choice you have

Truckermal

Would the high mileage be anything to be concerned about?

ELM327

Its not really high miles though, about 80k miles in real money.

Notch000

ELM327 wrote: »

Its not really high miles though, about 80k miles in real money.

whats that in EV dog years ?

unkel

Truckermal wrote: »

Would the high mileage be anything to be concerned about?

Not really. The Ioniq has a large built in buffer of battery that you can't use. The usable battery capacity should still be near enough what it was brand new. The 130km round trip will not be a problem, even if you get the car up to 200k km

Patser

Trucker - roughly what's your budget? And what's your day to day need - is this the family car that needs rooms for 50 people and 2 dogs or a 2nd car just for you and you like having fun in it?

If you like a great driving car, a bit less practical than Leaf/Ioniq look at the BMW i3 - a 60ah with Rex would do you, a 94ah with rex would be better to give you flexibility and have rex as parachute, a 120ah and you don't need rex

unkel

There is not a hope a 60Ah i3 would do a 130km roundtrip in winter. Unless you drive at LeafSpeed. Edit - Ah I see you mention REx. Why would anyone want that, worst of both worlds. Still costing tons in fuel / emissions / maintenance / costing 50% more in tax and 50% more in tolls and carrying extra weight around and it's making the i3 a lot slower. EV is where it's at. although a certain regular poster on this forum will disagree :pac:

There was a 94Ah i3 for sale from one of the regulars recently for €16k, was that yours, can't remember now? If you don't mind the look of the i3 and don't mind having just 4 seats, then it sure is a contender. Great car for the money.

Patser

unkel wrote: »

There is not a hope a 60Ah i3 would do a 130km roundtrip in winter. Unless you drive at LeafSpeed.

There was a 94Ah i3 for sale from one of the regulars recently for €16k, was that yours, can't remember now? If you don't mind the look of the i3 and don't mind having just 4 seats, then it sure is a contender. Great car for the money.

60ah with Rex would - my non Rex can handle (just) 100Km in winter, at my normal driving (absoluely not Leaf speed) so with Rex you'd easily get 160km.

But for peace of mind and not having to charge it immediately after every trip then the 94ah with Rex will be good for over 200km.

And as you said smaller in a lot of ways than a Leaf or Ioniq, but much nicer and airier inside, and a great driver (probably best example of electric motors smooth acceleration outside a Tesla or premium)

unkel wrote: »

Edit - Ah I see you mention REx. Why would anyone want that, worst of both worlds. Still costing tons in fuel / emissions / maintenance / costing 50% more in tax and 50% more in tolls and carrying extra weight around and it's making the i3 a lot slower. EV is where it's at. although a certain regular poster on this forum will disagree :pac:.

I see your edit now. Shure you'd have to be Mad:D

But tonnes of fuel is pushing it and 50% extra tax is €60 a year:D

But yeah, old school 60ah non-Rex i3 beats even the i3s to 100kmh:cool:

liamog

I'm going to go with ev-database that gives a 94Ah I3 cold motorway range of 115km https://ev-database.org/car/1068/BMW-i3-94-Ah

Patser

liamog wrote: »

I'm going to go with ev-database that gives a 94Ah I3 cold motorway range of 115km https://ev-database.org/car/1068/BMW-i3-94-Ah

No worries then.....:o

Truckermal wrote: »

OK it's me again what's your thoughts on the Leaf offer with 0% finance and the €4000 scrappage?

Clocked my journey and it's 110KM I am sick of diesel and all the hassle of old Cars.

That's a very handy website, hadn't seen that one. And fwiw, it had recommended 94ah with rex (rex would not be needed that often)

krissovo

liamog wrote: »

I'm going to go with ev-database that gives a 94Ah I3 cold motorway range of 115km https://ev-database.org/car/1068/BMW-i3-94-Ah

The only times my old 94ah I3 went under 130km was an excess of 120kmph (real not indicated) in rainy January with a head wind or one memorable occasion driving head on into storm Emma where I managed ~92km's on just about a full charge from Balacolla south to Fermoy....... The distance is about 110 kms :mad:

The I3 is really susceptible to a head wind but drop the speed (higher than leaf speed....just) and the range is fine.

liamog

krissovo wrote: »

The only times my old 94ah I3 went under 130km was an excess of 120kmph (real not indicated) in rainy January with a head wind or one memorable occasion driving head on into storm Emma where I managed ~92km's on just about a full charge from Balacolla south to Fermoy....... The distance is about 110 kms :mad:

So highway speeds in wintery conditions, you got the range reported on the website?
I'd much rather point people at a resource that was pessimistic in range than optimistic and leave a poster stuck at the side of the road.

krissovo

liamog wrote: »

So highway speeds in wintery conditions, you got the range reported on the website?
.

Without incriminating myself further that statement is not correct :cool:

liamog

krissovo wrote: »

Without incriminating myself further that statement is not correct :cool:

Well I'm going to backup my assertion with this quote from you

krissovo wrote: »

The only times my old 94ah I3 went under 130km was an excess of 120kmph (real not indicated) in rainy January with a head wind

We don't want another ELM situation where he was massively disapointed in the Ioniq due to overselling of it's winter range.

Patser

Just to be sure here Krisovvo - does your i3 have the rex, as the rex reduces the battery range.

So we're you just about getting 130km in a pure BEV, or 130km using just charge in Rexed

ddarcy

Just because I just did this twice in two weeks. I have an ID3 ( first edition so no heat pump) and I drove from Sligo to Dublin. Total trip on Google maps is 225km one way.

This is a mix of 80/100/120 km/h roads and I did it with no issues at all. I also drove it like I had a diesel, so none of this 50 km/h leaf nonsense I’ve seen on the motorways!

The ID3 driving at / above all speed limits, blowing past slow cars etc only used 70% of the battery in total for those 200+ kms one way.

If the weather is really bad and you have the heat pump, I’d say you could still hit that usage number. But 130 round trip commute is more than doable, even in winter/ bad weather with it.

Potentially another option, I know there is a smaller battery coming out as well if the 58 kw/hr is out of your budget, but I’d look at the WLTP range and halve it. That should give an indication of what you’ll get out of it.

krissovo

Patser wrote: »

Just to be sure here Krisovvo - does your i3 have the rex, as the rex reduces the battery range.

So we're you just about getting 130km in a pure BEV, or 130km using just charge in Rexed

Its the BEV, my wife gets significantly more range than i do. I have a bit of a heavy right foot.

Patser

krissovo wrote: »

Its the BEV, my wife gets significantly more range than i do. I have a bit of a heavy right foot.

I blame that right peddle, it's a but soft and begs to be pressed down, especially at lights

godtabh

What speeds would you be travelling to get to the end of the 130km trip?