130km commute?

Buddy Bubs

Has the question been asked if you can charge at your destination before return trip? If so I'd get a phev which should do it about 50/50 petrol and electric I'd imagine going by a 30-40 km battery range.
I've seen you talk about budgets of 28000, you'd get a nice big phev for that (I'm talking 530e) or an early 330e which won't quite have the range but will be a lot cheaper to buy leaving you with some money for extra petrol you'll use.
Assuming you want a car like that in the first place.

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

Great car, great price.

+1

Still under bumper-bumper manufacturer's warranty for another year too. Will suffer only very low depreciation going forward. If you'd rather spend €15k than €25k (or more) on an EV that needs to do a 130km round trip all year around, this is the only choice you have

Truckermal

Would the high mileage be anything to be concerned about?

ELM327

Its not really high miles though, about 80k miles in real money.

Notch000

ELM327 wrote: »

Its not really high miles though, about 80k miles in real money.

whats that in EV dog years ?

unkel

Truckermal wrote: »

Would the high mileage be anything to be concerned about?

Not really. The Ioniq has a large built in buffer of battery that you can't use. The usable battery capacity should still be near enough what it was brand new. The 130km round trip will not be a problem, even if you get the car up to 200k km

Patser

Trucker - roughly what's your budget? And what's your day to day need - is this the family car that needs rooms for 50 people and 2 dogs or a 2nd car just for you and you like having fun in it?

If you like a great driving car, a bit less practical than Leaf/Ioniq look at the BMW i3 - a 60ah with Rex would do you, a 94ah with rex would be better to give you flexibility and have rex as parachute, a 120ah and you don't need rex

unkel

There is not a hope a 60Ah i3 would do a 130km roundtrip in winter. Unless you drive at LeafSpeed. Edit - Ah I see you mention REx. Why would anyone want that, worst of both worlds. Still costing tons in fuel / emissions / maintenance / costing 50% more in tax and 50% more in tolls and carrying extra weight around and it's making the i3 a lot slower. EV is where it's at. although a certain regular poster on this forum will disagree :pac:

There was a 94Ah i3 for sale from one of the regulars recently for €16k, was that yours, can't remember now? If you don't mind the look of the i3 and don't mind having just 4 seats, then it sure is a contender. Great car for the money.

Patser

unkel wrote: »

There is not a hope a 60Ah i3 would do a 130km roundtrip in winter. Unless you drive at LeafSpeed.

There was a 94Ah i3 for sale from one of the regulars recently for €16k, was that yours, can't remember now? If you don't mind the look of the i3 and don't mind having just 4 seats, then it sure is a contender. Great car for the money.

60ah with Rex would - my non Rex can handle (just) 100Km in winter, at my normal driving (absoluely not Leaf speed) so with Rex you'd easily get 160km.

But for peace of mind and not having to charge it immediately after every trip then the 94ah with Rex will be good for over 200km.

And as you said smaller in a lot of ways than a Leaf or Ioniq, but much nicer and airier inside, and a great driver (probably best example of electric motors smooth acceleration outside a Tesla or premium)

unkel wrote: »

Edit - Ah I see you mention REx. Why would anyone want that, worst of both worlds. Still costing tons in fuel / emissions / maintenance / costing 50% more in tax and 50% more in tolls and carrying extra weight around and it's making the i3 a lot slower. EV is where it's at. although a certain regular poster on this forum will disagree :pac:.

I see your edit now. Shure you'd have to be Mad:D

But tonnes of fuel is pushing it and 50% extra tax is €60 a year:D

But yeah, old school 60ah non-Rex i3 beats even the i3s to 100kmh:cool:

liamog

I'm going to go with ev-database that gives a 94Ah I3 cold motorway range of 115km https://ev-database.org/car/1068/BMW-i3-94-Ah

Patser

liamog wrote: »

I'm going to go with ev-database that gives a 94Ah I3 cold motorway range of 115km https://ev-database.org/car/1068/BMW-i3-94-Ah

No worries then.....:o

Truckermal wrote: »

OK it's me again what's your thoughts on the Leaf offer with 0% finance and the €4000 scrappage?

Clocked my journey and it's 110KM I am sick of diesel and all the hassle of old Cars.

That's a very handy website, hadn't seen that one. And fwiw, it had recommended 94ah with rex (rex would not be needed that often)

krissovo

liamog wrote: »

I'm going to go with ev-database that gives a 94Ah I3 cold motorway range of 115km https://ev-database.org/car/1068/BMW-i3-94-Ah

The only times my old 94ah I3 went under 130km was an excess of 120kmph (real not indicated) in rainy January with a head wind or one memorable occasion driving head on into storm Emma where I managed ~92km's on just about a full charge from Balacolla south to Fermoy....... The distance is about 110 kms :mad:

The I3 is really susceptible to a head wind but drop the speed (higher than leaf speed....just) and the range is fine.

liamog

krissovo wrote: »

The only times my old 94ah I3 went under 130km was an excess of 120kmph (real not indicated) in rainy January with a head wind or one memorable occasion driving head on into storm Emma where I managed ~92km's on just about a full charge from Balacolla south to Fermoy....... The distance is about 110 kms :mad:

So highway speeds in wintery conditions, you got the range reported on the website?
I'd much rather point people at a resource that was pessimistic in range than optimistic and leave a poster stuck at the side of the road.

krissovo

liamog wrote: »

So highway speeds in wintery conditions, you got the range reported on the website?
.

Without incriminating myself further that statement is not correct :cool:

liamog

krissovo wrote: »

Without incriminating myself further that statement is not correct :cool:

Well I'm going to backup my assertion with this quote from you

krissovo wrote: »

The only times my old 94ah I3 went under 130km was an excess of 120kmph (real not indicated) in rainy January with a head wind

We don't want another ELM situation where he was massively disapointed in the Ioniq due to overselling of it's winter range.

Patser

Just to be sure here Krisovvo - does your i3 have the rex, as the rex reduces the battery range.

So we're you just about getting 130km in a pure BEV, or 130km using just charge in Rexed

ddarcy

Just because I just did this twice in two weeks. I have an ID3 ( first edition so no heat pump) and I drove from Sligo to Dublin. Total trip on Google maps is 225km one way.

This is a mix of 80/100/120 km/h roads and I did it with no issues at all. I also drove it like I had a diesel, so none of this 50 km/h leaf nonsense I’ve seen on the motorways!

The ID3 driving at / above all speed limits, blowing past slow cars etc only used 70% of the battery in total for those 200+ kms one way.

If the weather is really bad and you have the heat pump, I’d say you could still hit that usage number. But 130 round trip commute is more than doable, even in winter/ bad weather with it.

Potentially another option, I know there is a smaller battery coming out as well if the 58 kw/hr is out of your budget, but I’d look at the WLTP range and halve it. That should give an indication of what you’ll get out of it.

krissovo

Patser wrote: »

Just to be sure here Krisovvo - does your i3 have the rex, as the rex reduces the battery range.

So we're you just about getting 130km in a pure BEV, or 130km using just charge in Rexed

Its the BEV, my wife gets significantly more range than i do. I have a bit of a heavy right foot.

Patser

krissovo wrote: »

Its the BEV, my wife gets significantly more range than i do. I have a bit of a heavy right foot.

I blame that right peddle, it's a but soft and begs to be pressed down, especially at lights

godtabh

What speeds would you be travelling to get to the end of the 130km trip?

Truckermal

godtabh wrote: »

What speeds would you be travelling to get to the end of the 130km trip?

About 80/90 KPH but it's a mountain Road all the way.

unkel

80-90km/h is ideal for most cars as they are very efficient at that speed (and not yet bothered by air resistance all that much), with EVs this is even stronger as they lose a lot of range at higher speeds due to having far less energy on board compared to ICE

Mountain roads affect consumption for all cars, but nowhere near as badly with EVs as it does for ICE cars as you get a good bit of energy back from regen braking when going downhill, where in ICE cars this energy is completely lost to heat via the friction brakes

Truckermal

So I take it the Leaf is not a good buy? A brand new ioniq is 30K after grant's..

ELM327

Truckermal wrote: »

So I take it the Leaf is not a good buy? A brand new ioniq is 30K after grant's..

Dont buy either of those, whatever you do.


Leaf is old old tech, Ioniq 38 is not worthy of the Ioniq name, it charges super slowly.

TitianGerm

ELM327 wrote: »

Dont buy either of those, whatever you do.


Leaf is old old tech, Ioniq 38 is not worthy of the Ioniq name, it charges super slowly.

If he's charging at work and home then the charging speed won't matter.

zg3409

Truckermal wrote: »

So I take it the Leaf is not a good buy? A brand new ioniq is 30K after grant's..

If you have a 110km commute a car with 150/160km worst case range will maximise fuel cost savings, as in 28kWh ioniq or 40kWh leaf. So 17,000 euro for used car, and 2,000 euro oer year fuel savings.

If you buy new, you pay extra, and don't miminise depreciation. Depreciation is typically higher than fuel costs, running to multiple thousands every year.

unkel

^^^ that

If it were me for a 110km commute, I'd either buy a €9-10k 30kWh Leaf or stretch to a €14-15k Ioniq, which is a superior car in many ways, but obviously will cost you more to own as the Leaf has very little depreciation left

Both will have a few years battery and drive train warranty left, which helps ease your mind. The Ioniq would have (the guts of) a year of bumper to bumper manufacturer's warranty left too...

tmg

i3 with rex and 94Ah/33kw battery should hit the spot, and you have the rex as a backup if you need to do anything else of an evening.

the cabin is a very nice place to be be, excellent seats, and quite good to drive

the_amazing_raisin

Truckermal wrote: »

So I take it the Leaf is not a good buy? A brand new ioniq is 30K after grant's..

If you can get a Leaf at a good price then it'll do the job nicely, I personally wouldn't get one new at they're getting outdated quickly

You could also look at the Renault Zoe ZE40 or ZE50, or the Peugeot e208 or Opel Corsa E if you're looking to buy new, they should all fit your commute with battery to spare

Truckermal

cruisey1987 wrote: »

If you can get a Leaf at a good price then it'll do the job nicely, I personally wouldn't get one new at they're getting outdated quickly

You could also look at the Renault Zoe ZE40 or ZE50, or the Peugeot e208 or Opel Corsa E if you're looking to buy new, they should all fit your commute with battery to spare

How is the Leaf outdated when the latest model only came out in 2018?

I think I'll gamble away with my daysul yoke for another few months..