Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

thebaz

It really is so depressing - the lack of urgency of the vaccine rollout / the longest lockdown anywhere - 5 months of it - and knowing that a new government will just deliver the same if not further restrictions - so many good people in this country hurting now with the total ineptiude of it all - our world has been on hold for nearly a year - We really have forgotten how to live.

Graham

Neagra wrote: »

but we have to be good little European boys and girls.
we cant possibly source the vaccine by ourselves because we are irish and we are think paddies.
we cant think for ourselves nor can we even believe we could survive without the EU
thats how little we think of ourselves.

So you've no idea where we can acquire additional vaccine doses then?

Boggerman12

Time for saying enough is enough.time for all unnecessary testing to stop or people who feel they haven’t the thing to refuse to go along with the whole farce

Klonker

I don't understand how people don't get it. It's as if Phizer have warehouses of vaccines and can't find a buyer for. It's not about money, it's about a limited supply of vaccine. Blame could be aimed at the EU but the damage is done now. There's nothing the EU or Ireland can do now to increase supply in the next 3 to 4 months.

I'm talking just about vaccine supply here. I agree our lockdown measures here have been a joke since the beginning, the only tool we've even tried to use to control the spread of the virus.

CalamariFritti

Boggerman12 wrote: »

Time for saying enough is enough.time for all unnecessary testing to stop or people who feel they haven’t the thing to refuse to go along with the whole farce

The opposite will happen. We will roll out rapid testing and without anything else changing 'cases' will go up.

Its whats happening now in Germany. 'Cases' going up, RKI predicting an Easter surge that will compare to Christmas and all the alarm bells are being rung. An 'Easter lockown' is now being discussed which sounds of course so much better that 'ongoing' or 'perma' lockdown.

Nothing at all to do with mass rapid testing of course.

SnuggyBear

Graces7 wrote: »

Why exactly? Only rats would do that.

Wtf

ypres5

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Do people not deserve a chance to earn a living and give children a relatively normal upbringing somewhere else?

Who are you to call them rat’s?

crabs in a bucket that good old sense of irish petty bregrudgery is alive and well

ypres5

Graham wrote: »

So you've no idea where we can acquire additional vaccine doses then?

sputnik and sinopharm like czechia and hungary are doing

RGS

Multipass wrote: »

No it’s not - we have been led to believe that we are in the midst of a deadly pandemic. A hint of a tiny rate of reactions to a vaccine must surely pale in the face of this dreadful killer disease, right? After all we’ve been told that deaths due to lockdown aren’t significant compared to covid. So tough luck, Ireland should take this opportunity to buy up other countries AstraZeneca, get us vaccinated, and open up the damn country ASAP. This excessive health anxiety is beyond a joke.

So let's just vaccinated and if people suffer the re actions reported we just compensate them. Thats idiotic and down right negligent. It's not the manufacturers on the hook it's the Irish taxpayers through the indemnity provided to the manufacturers.

I want things opened quicker but this is the correct decision.

The cost of medical negligence claims is far greater than you may realise.

shtpEdthePlum

https://mobile.twitter.com/jiniewlov/status/1370467851916746759?s=20

Greece is actually completely fecked. Totalitarian regime. Horrible.

Graham

ypres5 wrote: »

sputnik and sinopharm like czechia and hungary are doing

Sputnik might be an option soon, I understand it was submitted for EMA last week.

Multipass

RGS wrote: »

So let's just vaccinated and if people suffer the re actions reported we just compensate them. Thats idiotic and down right negligent. It's not the manufacturers on the hook it's the Irish taxpayers through the indemnity provided to the manufacturers.

I want things opened quicker but this is the correct decision.

The cost of medical negligence claims is far greater than you may realise.

We’re already doing that with the other vaccines. What’s idiotic is to let a minute number of possible adverse effects stop a nationwide programme against a deadly disease. Or is it not so deadly, so there’s no hurry at all? Does anyone comprehend the cost of lockdown?

Neagra

Graham wrote: »

So you've no idea where we can acquire additional vaccine doses then?

firstly you posted that question to another poster
secondly - we need at most 2 million doses not 5 million
that is nothing compared to what europe needs

given ireland, the uk, canada, america and austrialia are best friends and worst enemies but behind it all have nothing in common with europe. then i think we could easily manage 2 million doses.
but to do that means selling out the EU and germany for being the useless feckers they are , and our political leaders and HSE czars are too cowardly and money hungry to do that.

shtpEdthePlum

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

https://mobile.twitter.com/jiniewlov/status/1370467851916746759?s=20

Greece is actually completely fecked. Totalitarian regime. Horrible.

During an earlier part of lockdown heard they’d to text a number to leave house.

AlekSmart

Dickie10 wrote: »

i think easter will be tough on people, ironically we irish dont seem to put much valu on paddys day especially when its mid week, always thought the gvernment were crazy in not putting paddys day the closest sunday/monday to the event. having a bank holiday monday instead.

I think the Republic missed a trick during the Good Friday Agreement negotiations,in which ourselves and the Nordies could have merged our National Days to 21st June,Midsummer day.

Lets be honest about it,any Nation in the Northern Hemisphere having it's National Day Celebrations in the open air in mid March,has surely got something going on in it's head

RGS

Multipass wrote: »

We’re already doing that with the other vaccines. What’s idiotic is to let a minute number of possible adverse effects stop a nationwide programme against a deadly disease. Or is it not so deadly, so there’s no hurry at all? Does anyone comprehend the cost of lockdown?

I understand your frustration but it's the correct decision in the interim. Its use have been suspended in a number of countries including Thailand, Italy, the baltics as well as the scandinavian countries.

Some people may be happy to take a potential faulty vaccine, but numerous others would reject it.

If the re actions are not related then the safety of the vaccine is enhanced.

Let's hope the review is concluded quickly.

suicide_circus

Graces7 wrote: »

Why exactly? Only rats would do that.

Us rats have put our lives on hold, not for ourselves, but to protect people like you.

I believe the words youre looking for are "Thank you".

Rats indeed.

Coillte_Bhoy

Neagra wrote: »

firstly you posted that question to another poster
secondly - we need at most 2 million doses not 5 million
that is nothing compared to what europe needs

given ireland, the uk, canada, america and austrialia are best friends and worst enemies but behind it all have nothing in common with europe. then i think we could easily manage 2 million doses.
but to do that means selling out the EU and germany for being the useless feckers they are , and our political leaders and HSE czars are too cowardly and money hungry to do that.

Any chance of being more specific? Isnt there a US embargo on exporting vaccines for a start?

normanoffside

Graces7 wrote: »

Why exactly? Only rats would do that.

People like you probably said the same thing about the Irish that emigrated during the famine.

'Why don't you just stay here and starve like the rest of us'.

TonyMaloney

suicide_circus wrote: »

Us rats have put our lives on hold, not for ourselves, but to protect people like you.

I believe the words youre looking for are "Thank you".

Rats indeed.

You've done nothing but bitch and moan about being forced to protect the vulnerable.

Why would anyone thank you for your extreme reluctance to it?

Monster249

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You've done nothing but bitch and moan about being forced to protect the vulnerable.

Why would anyone thank you for your extreme reluctance to it?

Being serious, how long does someone expect complete selflessness and philanthropy out of someone who's livelyhood has been ruined for a year now? Seriously?

We've been protecting the vulnerable for 12 months. If they want to protect themselves they can continue to stay indoors. The time has passed when lockdown is acceptable anymore. I'm not saying open everything up but it needs to start being phased in from April 5th with no more delays.

suicide_circus

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You've done nothing but bitch and moan about being forced to protect the vulnerable.

Why would anyone thank you for your extreme reluctance to it?

Put me on ignore if you find my posts upsetting.

CalamariFritti

Monster249 wrote: »

Being serious, how long does someone expect complete selflessness and philanthropy out of someone who's livelyhood has been ruined for a year now? Seriously?

We've been protecting the vulnerable for 12 months. If they want to protect themselves they can continue to stay indoors. The time has passed when lockdown is acceptable anymore. I'm not saying open everything up but it needs to start being phased in from April 5th with no more delays.

Especially since it makes fk all difference to mortality rates anyway.

We're not protecting the vulnerable anymore. We're protecting a failed dogma.

hamburgham

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Especially since it makes fk all difference to mortality rates anyway.

We're not protecting the vulnerable anymore. We're protecting a failed dogma.

"We're protecting a failed dogma"- In a nutshell.

RobitTV

People still being falsely called 'seflish' 12 months later - after wearing masks and maintaining social distancing and doing everything possible to keep other people safe.

Yawn. This is like the same worn out script that was used from April or May of last year.

Time to freshen up that script with new ideas and new lines of attack.

TonyMaloney

suicide_circus wrote: »

Put me on ignore if you find my posts upsetting.

I'm not upset in the slightest. I'm enjoying your contribution.

Yesterday you claimed there was a country in eastern europe with virtually no restrictions, but you couldn't tell us the name of the country to protect your anonymity.

Today you want to be thanked by vulnerable people for doing something you absolutely wouldn't have done it you weren't forced to.

bb1234567

https://extra.ie/2021/03/14/news/irish-news/ring-of-steel-planned-ahead-of-st-patricks-day-lockdown-protests

Up to 2,500 gardai are to be deployed at checkpoints across the city to prevent any protests happening for St.Patricks Day. Guess it'll only be local people then at them, looks hard to see many people outside Dublin getting to the city centre with the scale of operations planned to be put in place to prevent it.

Large protests are planned at RTE Lands in Donnybrook, Herbert Park in Donnybrook and the Garden of Remembrance in Dublin 1.

suicide_circus

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I'm not upset in the slightest. I'm enjoying your contribution.

Yesterday you claimed there was a country in eastern europe with virtually no restrictions, but you couldn't tell us the name of the country to protect your anonymity.

Today you want to be thanked by vulnerable people for doing something you absolutely wouldn't have done it you weren't forced to.

Go away

Kermit.de.frog

RobitTV wrote: »

Yawn. This is like the same worn out script that was used from April or May of last year.

The selfish side are using the exact same emotive arguments as this time last year too but with added conspiracy theory.

TonyMaloney

Monster249 wrote: »

Being serious, how long does someone expect complete selflessness and philanthropy out of someone who's livelyhood has been ruined for a year now? Seriously?

We've been protecting the vulnerable for 12 months. If they want to protect themselves they can continue to stay indoors. The time has passed when lockdown is acceptable anymore. I'm not saying open everything up but it needs to start being phased in from April 5th with no more delays.

It's a monumental ask, but we should never lose sight of the significant upside to lockdown as vaccines are going in to arms - hundreds or possibly thousands of lives will be saved, and a huge number of people will be spared a significant illness.

Plus it would also be nice to have a functioning health service and for kids to be able to get an education (hopefully).

The downsides are absolutely horrendous, and the burden is not evenly distributed. I get that.

But if we simply give in to the downsides we'll lose all of the upsides. There is no good solution to the predicament we find ourselves in.
Or at least I've yet to read one, here or anywhere else.