Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

paw patrol wrote: »

You speak of science but this isn't really the case , science is about learning and debate/counter debate but science i read about today seems like a cult...people screaming about science and who dare you deny it.
And of course censorship of those that say "no".

Wait, what!

Science is about learning and debate but anybody that disagrees with your view is some sort of cult member denialst?

Intentionally ironic?

RGS

Neagra wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0314/1203889-niac-recommends-suspension-of-use-of-astrazeneca-vaccin/

is any further proof needed that these cnuts are not going to go away
if they wont free you, then free yourself.
fcuk them

It's the right decision given the fact people who obtained the vaccine developed clots and other issues. This needs further investigation.

With Irelands litigation history and the state providing an indemnity to the manufacturers it's the right decision.

Monster249

RGS wrote: »

It's the right decision given the fact people who obtained the vaccine developed clots and other issues. This needs further investigation.

With Irelands litigation history and the state providing an indemnity to the manufacturers it's the right decision.

But the data from the UK shows no concerns?

growleaves

I solved the problem of a corrupt church for myself by becoming an independent Christian unaffiliated to any church. I also have heterodox views on certain parts of mainstream Christian theology, which for me solves some of the biggest hurdles which stops people from believing. That's for another thread and forum though.

I do think the lack of religion plays a part in our predicament now since the fear of death seems to have deranged some people.

All human communities in history believed in god/s and and an afterlife, and even now most do. The last three hundred years in Europe have been the exception.

In that time we've seen an explosion in material wealth and (latterly) a decline in bravery and ordinary acceptance of death. (Though I should mention many European countries were wealthy before the Enlightenment - Venice, Florence, Bavaria, the Netherlands.)

We're straying off-topic here I guess but I do think the metaphysical assumptions about what happens to us when we die is a major unspoken influence on policy. The belief in annihilation after death has made extending lifespan a kind of imperative.

JDxtra

AZ getting pulled in Ireland gives the NPHET a good excuse to keep going with level 5.

It also masks the data of the very low rollout of the vaccine here (what were numbers like this week?). We'll go from supply constraints now to this as the excuse.

Graham

JDxtra wrote: »

AZ getting pulled in Ireland gives the NPHET a good excuse to keep going with level 5.

That's some conspiracy theory.

You genuinely believe that NPHET would rather see restrictions extended than vaccinate people?

RobitTV

The government is in a total state of meltdown mode this morning. Now they are dealing with serious problems on all fronts and the sea of problems are growing by the week.

Just this morning:

- The National Immunisation Advisory Committee has recommended the temporary suspension of the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine from this morning. Where does this leave the vaccine rollout while the investigation is taking place? even worse then it is now....

- Gardai have upgraded their initial inquiries into Tánaiste Leo Varadkar’s leaking of a confidential Government document to a friend into a full investigation, the Sunday Independent can reveal.

This is now a total crisis within government. Confidence is through the floor across society.

RGS

Monster249 wrote: »

But the data from the UK shows no concerns?

That may be true from the UK, however there appears to be a different view in a number of other countries, so for completeness I do think it's the correct decision pending review. Given the shortage of astra zeneca at the moment it's probably not going to impact our roll out.


As I said the fact we have a claims culture and the state are on the hook our medical boards naturally are cautious.

If we gave the vaccine to people and they suffered a re action , the state has no defence to any litigation.

paw patrol

Graham wrote: »

Wait, what!

Science is about learning and debate but anybody that disagrees with your view is some sort of cult member denialst?

Intentionally ironic?

i've no idea what you are on about. really.

Kermit.de.frog

Graham wrote: »

That's some conspiracy theory.

You genuinely believe that NPHET would rather see restrictions extended than vaccinate people?

The conspiracy stuff is rife in this thread and I don't think some even realise they are engaging in conspiracy theory. Some of it is benign but some of it isn't. A rabbit hole to avoid!

Graham

paw patrol wrote: »

i've no idea what you are on about. really.

That is apparent.

FintanMcluskey

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The conspiracy stuff is rife in this thread and I don't think some even realise they are engaging in conspiracy theory. Some of it is benign but some of it isn't. A rabbit hole to avoid!

Thanks for the advice.

Will probably ignore it however, a poster who suggested there wouldn’t be a vaccine for Covid for over a decade is in no position to critique conspiracy theories

Kermit.de.frog

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thanks for the advice.

Will probably ignore it however, a poster who suggested there wouldn’t be a vaccine for Covid for over a decade is in no position to critique conspiracy theories

There is no vaccine that provides a permanent solution. All we have is stop gaps requiring boosters. So I'm actually correct as of today.

Now, you were about to justify conspiracy theories...

SnuggyBear

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is no vaccine that provides a permanent solution. All we have is stop gaps requiring boosters. So I'm actually correct as of today.

lol

Graces7

hamburgham wrote: »

Anyone in a position to should leave this country.

Why exactly? Only rats would do that.

Graces7

Graces7 wrote: »

Why exactly? Only rats would do that.

Again...

Lol.

FintanMcluskey

Graces7 wrote: »

Why exactly? Only rats would do that.

Do people not deserve a chance to earn a living and give children a relatively normal upbringing somewhere else?

Who are you to call them rat’s?

RobitTV

I happen to have great respect for the 'rats' that wish to flee a sinking ship.

Hopefully the lifeboats will be ready for them on the other side.

Multipass

RGS wrote: »

It's the right decision given the fact people who obtained the vaccine developed clots and other issues. This needs further investigation.

With Irelands litigation history and the state providing an indemnity to the manufacturers it's the right decision.

No it’s not - we have been led to believe that we are in the midst of a deadly pandemic. A hint of a tiny rate of reactions to a vaccine must surely pale in the face of this dreadful killer disease, right? After all we’ve been told that deaths due to lockdown aren’t significant compared to covid. So tough luck, Ireland should take this opportunity to buy up other countries AstraZeneca, get us vaccinated, and open up the damn country ASAP. This excessive health anxiety is beyond a joke.

Multipass

RGS wrote: »

That may be true from the UK, however there appears to be a different view in a number of other countries, so for completeness I do think it's the correct decision pending review. Given the shortage of astra zeneca at the moment it's probably not going to impact our roll out.


As I said the fact we have a claims culture and the state are on the hook our medical boards naturally are cautious.

If we gave the vaccine to people and they suffered a re action , the state has no defence to any litigation.

That litigation would be a drop in the ocean compared to the ongoing costs of this lockdown.

RobitTV

USA has managed to vaccinate Ireland's population in one day

Great work!

https://twitter.com/TimFullerton/status/1370874724453134341

FintanMcluskey

RobitTV wrote: »

USA has managed to vaccinate Ireland's population in one day

Great work!

https://twitter.com/TimFullerton/status/1370874724453134341

The land of liberty

Neagra

RobitTV wrote: »

USA has managed to vaccinate Ireland's population in one day

Great work!

https://twitter.com/TimFullerton/status/1370874724453134341

its about whether you want to get the job done.
no bullsh1t, no lies, no cowardice, no unions.
just get the ****1ng job done

america and the uk leading the way, as they always have.

retro:electro

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Nearly overlooked this gem of an article in Indo two days ago:

"Public health officials are this morning pleading with the public to “pull back” in an effort to keep the virus suppressed as they are beginning to see “early, worrying signs that they have seen before”.

There are signs that people are mixing more than they were a few weeks ago, according to Professor Philip Nolan, modelling expert with Nphet.

He issued a plea to the public to not squander “52 weeks of sacrifice” by letting their guard down too early.

“In 10 weeks’ time we will be in a different place, and 10 weeks further down the line we’ll be in a much different place but I worry that we will squander the sacrifice of thousands of people over the last 52 weeks if we rush to do things too quickly in the next 10-20 weeks,” he said while speaking on RTÉ Radio One's Morning Ireland."


Welcome to the boy who cried wolf. "Just hang in there a few more weeks, then another few weeks after that as we keep moving the goalposts to dampen all hope". And let's not delude ourselves professor, we have already been forced to squander a year of our lives with nothing in return. And nothing to aspire to as this will inevitably be taken away.

Is it any wonder then that the general public have grown fed up of being treated like casual pawns, and grown indifferent to the same "worried" rhetoric week in and week out. We're no longer afraid, and have a newfound appreciation for our civil liberties. The bludgeoning stick known as "daily cases" is well and truly broken, who in their right mind gives a fiddlers at this stage without the spotlight being shone on declining hospitalisations/ICU admissions. Stop holding peoples' livelihoods to ransom, accelerate the vaccine rollout and open up the country for business.

Just 52 weeks of sacrifice to flatten the curve

Parachutes

Problem - Reaction - Solution

CalamariFritti

RobitTV wrote: »

USA has managed to vaccinate Ireland's population in one day

Great work!

https://twitter.com/TimFullerton/status/1370874724453134341

Clearly very excited. So much he got his commas and periods and zeroes and 'millions' in a twist.

Boggerman12

Parachutes wrote: »

Problem - Reaction - Solution

Is that u Tomas Ryan

Aph2016

RobitTV wrote: »

USA has managed to vaccinate Ireland's population in one day

Great work!

https://twitter.com/TimFullerton/status/1370874724453134341

Let's all be honest, if the government wanted to, they could source the vaccine, pay whatever it takes, over pay for it for all I care, run a military style operation and mass rollout this vaccine, get every government agency involved and make this the country's number one priority.
Overpaying pales in comparison to the PUP and tax revenue being lost.

Russman

Aph2016 wrote: »

Let's all be honest, if the government wanted to, they could source the vaccine, pay whatever it takes, over pay for it for all I care, run a military style operation and mass rollout this vaccine, get every government agency involved and make this the country's number one priority.
Overpaying pales in comparison to the PUP and tax revenue being lost.

Where exactly ? I’m sure they’d love to know.

Neagra

Aph2016 wrote: »

Let's all be honest, if the government wanted to, they could source the vaccine, pay whatever it takes, over pay for it for all I care, run a military style operation and mass rollout this vaccine, get every government agency involved and make this the country's number one priority.
Overpaying pales in comparison to the PUP and tax revenue being lost.

but we have to be good little European boys and girls.
we cant possibly source the vaccine by ourselves because we are irish and we are think paddies.
we cant think for ourselves nor can we even believe we could survive without the EU
thats how little we think of ourselves.