Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IX *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

if someone here said they understood why someone would attack a member of government or nphet with a hurley thered be uproar and threadbans galore

Thing is, some are treating what in essence is the equivalent of a glib post in a private WhatsApp group as the same as a public statement

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Have I missed some of the thread. I don’t recall an accusation of manslaughter.

Another attempt at setting up a straw man perhaps?

tony maloney said ivor cummins cost lives in ireland and abroad but didn't provide any proof or elaboration for these accusations

hiptobesquare

john4321 wrote: »

Do you agree with Ivor the grifter's views Fintan?

Are you calling Ivor Cummins a Grifter? Wow...all he does is use ACTUAL science and data in his posts.

If there's one piece of data you can show me that shows he's wrong on something, I'm all ears. Can you counter anything he claims to be fact with something substantive?

hiptobesquare

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Once I see attempts to ridicule I know the target must be onto something. I'd imagine most people are the same these days

Whereas in reality it’s just ridiculous

py2006

Tempted to shave my head. I assume the barbers won't open until May at least?

hiptobesquare

TonyMaloney wrote: »

All his videos (some deleted for disinformation by youtube) and all his public commentary on covid.

Pretty much everything he emits is lies. If you're of a mind, go back and watch some of his earlier videos. They're almost funny they're so wrong. Almost.

He's been doing very well out of the pandemic. Financially at least.
Much of the planet thinks he's a grubby little prick though, and money isn't everything.

lol. Pretty sure the majority of people who have heard him find his work compelling and grounded. You're in denial - maybe you're invested in the lockdown response - are you selling PPE by any chance, or hand sanitizer? Are you getting any of that sweet sweet covid cash that schools are spending on sanitizing between every class? Pretty credible claims schools are spending hundreds of thousands per quarter on that stuff....and thats just one example. Covid response is BIG BIG business now. DCU spent 500 euro per wooden yellow sanitizer station, thats without the gooey stuff. Cost about 20 quid to make. They bought 500 :-D

Or maybe youre a hypochondriac who doesnt mind the destruction of society once you have an extra-safe space.

Either way, send me one of Cummins lies please, im fascinated by your claims

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thing is, some are treating what in essence is the equivalent of a glib post in a private WhatsApp group as the same as a public statement

it still doesn't say much about their character does it that they want to beat a dissenting voice with a hurley?

wakka12

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Are you calling Ivor Cummins a Grifter? Wow...all he does is use ACTUAL science and data in his posts.

If there's one piece of data you can show me that shows he's wrong on something, I'm all ears. Can you counter anything he claims to be fact with something substantive?

You can be against lockdowns and still believe he's a complete tool and really trying his luck to sound smarter than he is, and he's a fooled a lot of people with this masquerade. Absolute arsehole, most arrogant condescending egoistic man I've ever seen

walus

hiptobesquare wrote: »

18 states now fully open, possibly 19. North dakota just passed a law outlawing the mandating of masks too. They've looked at the evidence and this is the correct response - far more die from other lockdown associated illnesses than covid. Poverty will bring far more too.

Looks like FED will be easing off on the printing, and so the pandemic will be called off.

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

tony maloney said ivor cummins cost lives in ireland and abroad but didn't provide any proof or elaboration for these accusations

That’s was not a accusation of manslaughter. That was an accusation that Cummings brand of no sonar has caused some to make choices that may have caused deaths. In the same way as someone who expresses the opinion that drink driving is ok can’t be accused of the manslaughter of someone hit by a drunk driver.

FintanMcluskey

wakka12 wrote: »

You can be against lockdowns and still believe he's a complete tool and really trying his luck to sound smarter than he is, and he's a fooled a lot of people with this masquerade. Absolute arsehole, most arrogant condescending egoistic man I've ever seen

I won’t disagree with you here.

I will though, say another man fitting that description has had a massive influence on what I can or can’t do for a year now as chair of a certain group, a position that’s afforded him a significant amount of authority

Ivor Cummins makes fcuk all difference to my life, if he talks scutter or not I don’t care, he is not in a position of authority

LessOutragePlz

wakka12 wrote: »

You can be against lockdowns and still believe he's a complete tool and really trying his luck to sound smarter than he is, and he's a fooled a lot of people with this masquerade. Absolute arsehole, most arrogant condescending egoistic man I've ever seen

Wow your hatred for him runs very deep!

Can you point me to where he displays his arogance and condescending ego in this interview with a highly qualified professor in immunology?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBRcK-od50Q

His credentials: https://expertinova.com/page/cv-bedastadler

I don't agree with everything that he says but, it's good to hear a different perspective on the whole scenario.

It's a pity that others such as yourself aren't as open minded about the the whole thing. As there are plenty of experts out there that don't agree with our current course of action but they don't get any airtime because they challenge the narrative that has been pushed for the past 12 months.

hiptobesquare

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Are you calling Ivor Cummins a Grifter? Wow...all he does is use ACTUAL science and data in his posts.

If there's one piece of data you can show me that shows he's wrong on something, I'm all ears. Can you counter anything he claims to be fact with something substantive?

He is a engineer with access to statistical tools that he uses to engineer a false picture through selective reporting and misrepresentation. Give me a couple of hours and I could produce a nice chart showing how posts on the restrictions thread are an accurate predictor of the epidemiology of the pandemic. The existence of a fancy chart does not mean it’s not complete nonsense

walus

john4321 wrote: »

I have not looked into anything about Belarus and don't see how its relevent here. The article I pointed out was trying to link Covid to GSK and the mother and baby homes that's in my opinion a conspiracy theory.

These are easy to create especially during a pandemic. They just need a grain of truth or something people can relate to.

For example I could say have you noticed how the skin on your hands feel drier since Covid beacuse the government have started putting magic liquid in the water to control us.

People can relate to drier skin due to excessive hand washing and now the conspiracy has been created.

The point I was trying to make is that because your own ‘gauge’ is so unreliable, it does not give you a yes-no answer, you cannot say for certain what is and isn’t a conspiracy theory. It is better not to use this term at all.

And if anything it is the matter of the pandemic that grabs so much attention that other controversial issues fall under the radar and go undetected for the majority of the public, and once they are brought up are often labelled as ct.

walus

ypres5 wrote: »

tony maloney said ivor cummins cost lives in ireland and abroad but didn't provide any proof or elaboration for these accusations

Where is Boggles, when one needs him?

Ah, sorry he plays for the same team...

Ha Long Bay

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Are you calling Ivor Cummins a Grifter? Wow...all he does is use ACTUAL science and data in his posts.

If there's one piece of data you can show me that shows he's wrong on something, I'm all ears. Can you counter anything he claims to be fact with something substantive?

"In a widely viewed YouTube video, the author and public speaker Ivor Cummins claims that the real reason that daily deaths declined in the spring was that the UK was reaching “herd immunity”—meaning that the virus was running out of people to infect."


https://fullfact.org/health/can-we-believe-lockdown-sceptics/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac - Deleted cause its false


Also

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-covid-19-casedemic/


https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1289505453529944065?s=20

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

it still doesn't say much about their character does it that they want to beat a dissenting voice with a hurley?

You have never in a private moment expressed outrage with violent language while simultaneously having absolutely no intention of ever acting on it? Gerry Killeen is a tool, who from reading up on the man lucked into his position, however does anyone actually believe that was anything other than a glib comment and not a actual call to violence

FintanMcluskey

john4321 wrote: »

"In a widely viewed YouTube video, the author and public speaker Ivor Cummins claims that the real reason that daily deaths declined in the spring was that the UK was reaching “herd immunity”—meaning that the virus was running out of people to infect."


https://fullfact.org/health/can-we-believe-lockdown-sceptics/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UvFhIFzaac - Deleted cause its false


https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/no-covid-19-casedemic/


https://twitter.com/FatEmperor/status/1289505453529944065?s=20

He was as far out there as the models that were used to justify lockdown in the first place

I think there is an irony hidden somewhere

walus

py2006 wrote: »

Tempted to shave my head. I assume the barbers won't open until May at least?

Unless they go click-and-collect. Now, that would be an interesting business model, wouldn’t it?

FintanMcluskey

Deleted User wrote: »

You have never in a private moment expressed outrage with violent language while simultaneously having absolutely no intention of ever acting on it? Gerry Killeen is a tool, who from reading up on the man lucked into his position, however does anyone actually believe that was anything other than a glib comment and not a actual call to violence

So what Ivor says can be used to discredit his character and suggest he has blood on his hands, but the G.Killeen fans will let go a threat of GBH by the man himself because he was angry

Jeasus lads

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So what Ivor says can be used to discredit his character and suggest he has blood on his hands, but the G.Killeen fans will let go a threat of GBH by the man himself because he was angry

Jeasus lads

Ah for feck sake Fintan. Do ye live in the real world at all?

Ha Long Bay

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

He was as far out there as the models that were used to justify lockdown in the first place

I think there is an irony hidden somewhere

The poster asked me: "If there's one piece of data you can show me that shows he's wrong on something"


So do you agree with Ivan's views or just reply trying to justify the grifter?

ypres5

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You have never in a private moment expressed outrage with violent language while simultaneously having absolutely no intention of ever acting on it? Gerry Killeen is a tool, who from reading up on the man lucked into his position, however does anyone actually believe that was anything other than a glib comment and not a actual call to violence

the difference between me and killeen is I'm not enjoying a prominent position at ucc whilst being courted by the press for soundbites. i certainly do believe there should have been more scandal made about these messages than there was if they're verified as real

ypres5

ypres5 wrote: »

the difference between me and killeen is I'm not enjoying a prominent position at ucc whilst being courted by the press for soundbites. i certainly do believe there should have been more scandal made about these messages than there was if they're verified as real

Private messages

Ha Long Bay

walus wrote: »

The point I was trying to make is that because your own ‘gauge’ is so unreliable, it does not give you a yes-no answer, you cannot say for certain what is and isn’t a conspiracy theory. It is better not to use this term at all.

And if anything it is the matter of the pandemic that grabs so much attention that other controversial issues fall under the radar and go undetected for the majority of the public, and once they are brought up are often labelled as ct.

I don't see how you pointed out how my guage was unreliable to be honest. If someone has a blog trying to connect Luke O Neill to controlling children its safe enough to say its a conspiracy theory and should be called out as such.

retro:electro

I don’t know a single person now at this stage who is listening to this carry on on the news. Increase, decrease, shove it up your arse crease.
It’s up to us now to introduce our own normality. If you were relying on these it would be summer 2025 and we’ll still be hearing about “increased mobility out and about. Not quite where we need to be”

hiptobesquare

Deleted User wrote: »

He is a engineer with access to statistical tools that he uses to engineer a false picture through selective reporting and misrepresentation. Give me a couple of hours and I could produce a nice chart showing how posts on the restrictions thread are an accurate predictor of the epidemiology of the pandemic. The existence of a fancy chart does not mean it’s not complete nonsense

Yeah, and we see no meaningful data analysis from anyone in mainstream media or government. At least he's trying.

If it's so easy, why dont you take one of his data posts and debunk it with a chart of your own. You can pick any one you want.

TonyMaloney

Though Cummins isn't mentioned in the article, this is the kind of tragedy I hold him in contempt for.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/jan/23/gary-matthews-duped-by-lying-anti-vaxxers-his-death-is-at-their-door

It is clearly not manslaughter. It's not an unlawful killing. Cummins has just played a big part in a community of liars, who have sought to profit from the pandemic by peddling compelling pseudo-science.

And it's not just the poor feckers that get taken in by his plausible sounding lies that suffer, it's the friends and relatives too.

TonyMaloney

hiptobesquare wrote: »

Yeah, and we see no meaningful data analysis from anyone in mainstream media or government. At least he's trying.

If it's so easy, why dont you take one of his data posts and debunk it with a chart of your own. You can pick any one you want.

You clearly haven't met raind before

hiptobesquare

john4321 wrote: »

I don't see how you pointed out how my guage was unreliable to be honest. If someone has a blog trying to connect Luke O Neill to controlling children its safe enough to say its a conspiracy theory and should be called out as such.

Luke ONeill was somehow let do a live stream into a classroom in waterford, to talk to kids about wearing masks and taking vaccines that all official stats show they do not need in any way, a product he directly profits from if they are rolled out on a mass scale, and a product he has a hand in developing through is companies.

He not only wanted to get into those kids heads, he GOT into those kids heads. He was allowed in there too, wrongly so.

it's not conspiracy, its there in front of your face on the video selling ideas to kids, and its in O'Neill's bio and background that he makes vaccines. Therefore, NOT conspiracy.