Will tourists be allowed to visit Ireland this summer if they've had their vaccine?

Tenzor07

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

They are coming in through Portugal primarily, the media needs to be asking how many Brazilian passport holders arrived here since Christmas, the figures would be mindblowing.
Once we have Group 7 vaccinated I don't really care how many tourists are arriving in.

Negative PCR's and 14 day Quarantine, plus flight suspension from Brazil to Portugal all in place, yet 2000 brazilians are arriving into Ireland.. something doesn't add up here...

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Negative PCR's and 14 day Quarantine, plus flight suspension from Brazil to Portugal all in place, yet 2000 brazilians are arriving into Ireland.. something doesn't add up here...

For a starter close the border and monitor everyone who comes through the airport's.

is_that_so

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Negative PCR's and 14 day Quarantine, plus flight suspension from Brazil to Portugal all in place, yet 2000 brazilians are arriving into Ireland.. something doesn't add up here...

That they don't all fly in via Portugal? Long distance flights have prices to suit every pocket. From Brazilians I know London, Paris or Frankfurt are more likely choices on price.

Tenzor07

xhomelezz wrote: »

For a starter close the border and monitor everyone who comes through the airport's.

Isn't that pretty much the case now, Gardai all over the airports handing out massive fines and the threat of prison sentences?

Tenzor07

is_that_so wrote: »

That they don't all fly in via Portugal? Long distance flights have prices to suit every pocket. From Brazilians I know London, Paris or Frankfurt are more likely choices on price.

How are Brazilians circumventing the rules in all of these secondary arrival countries so, avoiding PCR tests and quarantines?

jam_mac_jam

Tenzor07 wrote: »

How are Brazilians circumventing the rules in all of these secondary arrival countries so, avoiding PCR tests and quarantines?

Because there is no requirement to quarantine. The quarantine in hotels still hasn't been introduced. They are still talking about it.

GT89

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Meat factory and farm workers. Doing the jobs most Irish people wont do. Thats why they are here.

I think you'll find the Irish will do those jobs just not for the pittance the Brazilians are getting

kravmaga

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Thread title said "Will Tourists"....

They can still carry the "Kent" Variant and should stay in the UK.

The UK, Kent variant is already here from irresponsible people coming to Ireland before Xmas.

The Brazilian P1 variant is also here due to 2,000 Brazilians returning in January after visiting their family in Brazil.

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Isn't that pretty much the case now, Gardai all over the airports handing out massive fines and the threat of prison sentences?

And the border is still not closed.

Tenzor07

xhomelezz wrote: »

And the border is still not closed.

Apart from the checkpoints lashing out the fines?

Tenzor07

kravmaga wrote: »

The UK, Kent variant is already here from irresponsible people coming to Ireland before Xmas.The Brazilian P1 variant is also here due to 2,000 Brazilians returning in January after visiting their family in Brazil.

Ban them!

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Apart from the checkpoints lashing out the fines?

IMO border should be shut, international travel under heavy control until we vaccine, or we know where we stands. This halfway bullshìt, we can't do this and we can't do that, is becoming tiredning.

UDAWINNER

Why would people want tourists who even if vaccinated can still pass on the covid to us, god knows when the majority here will be vaccinated thus ensuring restrictions go on longer. Do really want yanks coming here who wouldn't wear a mask if their lives depended on it. Ban all non essential travel until the vast majority are vaccinated here

Tenzor07

xhomelezz wrote: »

IMO border should be shut, international travel under heavy control until we vaccine, or we know where we stands. This halfway bullshìt, we can't do this and we can't do that, is becoming tiredning.

300 border crossings, I'm sure with the help of the British Army setting up posts at the crossings it could be done...

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

300 border crossings, I'm sure with the help of the British Army setting up posts at the crossings it could be done...

See another excuse on the job. Pretty sure we can do without British army. Just make travel as uncomfortable as possible. Without Brits.

Wanderer2010

UDAWINNER wrote: »

Why would people want tourists who even if vaccinated can still pass on the covid to us, god knows when the majority here will be vaccinated thus ensuring restrictions go on longer. Do really want yanks coming here who wouldn't wear a mask if their lives depended on it. Ban all non essential travel until the vast majority are vaccinated here

Ireland wont ban USA tourists from coming here this summer, wait and see. We are completely submissive as a country when it comes to the states. Now what on earth they are coming here for, i have no idea. Nothing open, nothing to do.

UDAWINNER

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Ireland wont ban USA tourists from coming here this summer, wait and see. We are completely submissive as a country when it comes to the states. Now what on earth they are coming here for, i have no idea. Nothing open, nothing to do.

I agree, seems odd that we're banned from going there and yet we never banned them when they are they epicentre, look at the plane in shannon last week

Wanderer2010

UDAWINNER wrote: »

I agree, seems odd that we're banned from going there and yet we never banned them when they are they epicentre, look at the plane in shannon last week

We are too scared of the USA to go against them. I was absolutely amazed last year when the pandemic was raging through America and thousands of them were left to swan into our country and infect the pubs, restaurants and tourist spots all over. Same with the planes in Shannon, our ministers have a blind spot for USA.

ceadaoin.

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

We are too scared of the USA to go against them. I was absolutely amazed last year when the pandemic was raging through America and thousands of them were left to swan into our country and infect the pubs, restaurants and tourist spots all over. Same with the planes in Shannon, our ministers have a blind spot for USA.

Case numbers were extremely low over the summer weren't they? Doesn't seem like all these supposed thousands of tourists made any difference at all

afatbollix

In the same boat.

I've booked some spare flights into Belfast and will drive down. Most airlines have free cancelation at the moment.



I was all for rules at the start of this but now all the people close to me have had a vaccination I don't see why we can't visit each other.

We saved the over 70s now time to let the rest of the population to get on with their lives.

IrishHomer

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

We are too scared of the USA to go against them. I was absolutely amazed last year when the pandemic was raging through America and thousands of them were left to swan into our country and infect the pubs, restaurants and tourist spots all over. Same with the planes in Shannon, our ministers have a blind spot for USA.

Lot of US/Irish expats came home for Xmas too and our government had no balls to stop it

Tenzor07

xhomelezz wrote: »

See another excuse on the job. Pretty sure we can do without British army. Just make travel as uncomfortable as possible. Without Brits.

Will need all 300 posts manned in case they bring the variants into Ireland?

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Will need all 300 posts manned in case they bring the variants into Ireland?

Just make travel as uncomfortable as possible. But I've said that already.

Tenzor07

xhomelezz wrote: »

Just make travel as uncomfortable as possible. But I've said that already.

You're right, a dozen British army soldiers aiming rifles will do the job nicely...

brickster69

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right, a dozen British army soldiers aiming rifles will do the job nicely...

Could always ask meat packer companies to arrange few more plane loads over from Brazil.

HBC08

is_that_so wrote: »

They probably live here. There are over 13,000 Brazilians in Ireland.

And approximately 20% of them travelled internationally in the last 28 days?

xhomelezz

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right, a dozen British army soldiers aiming rifles will do the job nicely...

You are the one bringing British army into the talk, with no point.

Micky 32

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right, a dozen British army soldiers aiming rifles will do the job nicely...

You’ve lost the plot. I hope you don’t have a firearm license. Get some help.

Btw your 3 year border lockdown is fantasy and delusional.

Micky 32

My predictions are that when we get vaccinated and the UK complete their vaccination program we’ll have a travel bubble between the 2 countries for a start.

HBC08

Micky 32 wrote: »

My predictions are that when we get vaccinated and the UK complete their vaccination program we’ll have a travel bubble between the 2 countries for a start.

How would that benefit Ireland?
Every hotel and bnb in Ireland will be booked solid with staycationers like last year.We don't stand to gain anything from the brits coming over and spreading it.

Micky 32

HBC08 wrote: »

How would that benefit Ireland?
Every hotel and bnb in Ireland will be booked solid with staycationers like last year.We don't stand to gain anything from the brits coming over and spreading it.

So keep us closed permanently eh? Did you conveniently forget about the fully vaccinated part of my post?

You do realise people have family in the uK or are you human enough to recognise that fact?

Deagol

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Case numbers were extremely low over the summer weren't they? Doesn't seem like all these supposed thousands of tourists made any difference at all

Isn't it amazing the way every time someone points out this very obvious and salient point, it gets totally ignored because it doesn't suit the hysterical overreaction narrative currently in vogue?

HBC08

Micky 32 wrote: »

So keep us closed permanently eh? Did you conveniently forget about the fully vaccinated part of my post?

You do realise people have family in the uK or are you human enough to recognise that fact?

I had my vaccine a couple of weeks ago.I got AZ,there's some promising data on that re spreading it but nothing concrete and even then it's pointing towards reduced spreading not eradication.
It's genuinely shocking to me that people don't understand a vaccine doesnt stop you contracting or spreading the virus.

This is basic enough stuff in fairness.

Eric Cartman

kravmaga wrote: »

The UK, Kent variant is already here from irresponsible people coming to Ireland before Xmas.

The Brazilian P1 variant is also here due to 2,000 Brazilians returning in January after visiting their family in Brazil.

we should have banned all travel from the UK on December 1st, announced at 10pm with effect from midnight, told the planes just to stop, instead we put on more planes so the ignorant and selfish could bring the UK variant home for Christmas.

Same now with Brazil, should have been a travel ban, any student not in Ireland on 1st Jan should have had their visa cancelled and any Brazilian here told the planes are only going out.

Dubit11

john9876 wrote: »

I'm in the UK but from Ireland originally and I own a holiday home in the west of Ireland.
I think myself and my wife will have had both jabs by July and we would like to visit Ireland in August for a few weeks with our kids.
Do you think this will be allowed?

Stay in the UK please.

smellyoldboot

john9876 wrote: »

I'm in the UK but from Ireland originally and I own a holiday home in the west of Ireland.
I think myself and my wife will have had both jabs by July and we would like to visit Ireland in August for a few weeks with our kids.
Do you think this will be allowed?

The best thing you can do for Ireland is stay on plague island. You made your choice. It was similar types who just "had" to get home for Christmas that has us in lockdown for the last 3 months. You're not wanted. Come back when your new country is a bit cleaner maybe.

Deagol

Eric Cartman wrote: »

we should have banned all travel from the UK on December 1st, announced at 10pm with effect from midnight, told the planes just to stop, instead we put on more planes so the ignorant and selfish could bring the UK variant home for Christmas.

Same now with Brazil, should have been a travel ban, any student not in Ireland on 1st Jan should have had their visa cancelled and any Brazilian here told the planes are only going out.

How would I have got home then? I was working in the UK on December 1st..

It's genuinely shocking to me that people don't understand a vaccine doesnt stop you contracting or spreading the virus.

This is basic enough stuff in fairness.[/QUOTE]

Very bleak outlook, what's the point of them so?

Micky 32

HBC08 wrote: »

I had my vaccine a couple of weeks ago.I got AZ,there's some promising data on that re spreading it but nothing concrete and even then it's pointing towards reduced spreading not eradication.
It's genuinely shocking to me that people don't understand a vaccine doesnt stop you contracting or spreading the virus.

This is basic enough stuff in fairness.

Why didn’t you answer my question. So you’re saying once vaccinated carry on with permanent lockdowns and keep borders permanently closed?

Micky 32

tommybrees wrote: »

It's genuinely shocking to me that people don't understand a vaccine doesnt stop you contracting or spreading the virus.

This is basic enough stuff in fairness.

Very bleak outlook, what's the point of them so?[/QUOTE]

I wouldn’t worry about it. You are just listening to insignificant random internet posters. The outlook is very promising.

HBC08

tommybrees wrote: »

It's genuinely shocking to me that people don't understand a vaccine doesnt stop you contracting or spreading the virus.

This is basic enough stuff in fairness.

Very bleak outlook, what's the point of them so?[/quote]

You won't get as sick or most likely not sick at all if you contract it.

Jesus wept,how the fcuk do some people not know this?

HBC08

Micky 32 wrote: »

Why didn’t you answer my question. So you’re saying once vaccinated carry on with permanent lockdowns and keep borders permanently closed?

Mickey,
I sense you're not the smartest,what question would you like answered and I'll do my best.

Micky 32

HBC08 wrote: »

Very bleak outlook, what's the point of them so?

You won't get as sick or most likely not sick at all if you contract it.

Jesus wept,how the fcuk do some people not know this?[/QUOTE]

I’m quite aware how this virus works. So it’s permant restrictions in your book, right?

Micky 32

HBC08 wrote: »

Mickey,
I sense you're not the smartest,what question would you like answerd and I'll do my best.

I’m quite smart actually but thanks for your concern about my level of smartness. So i’ll ask again, permanent restrictions and travel permanently banned? Yes or no?

Micky 32

HBC08 wrote: »

Mickey,
I sense you're not the smartest,what question would you like answerd and I'll do my best.

You mustn’t be too bright yourself if you had to ask what question i’m asking when i have already clearly asked you.

HBC08

Micky 32 wrote: »

You won't get as sick or most likely not sick at all if you contract it.

Jesus wept,how the fcuk do some people not know this?

I’m quite aware how this virus works. So it’s permant restrictions in your book, right?[/quote]

Not at all,
I'd be hoping harsh restrictions would be lifted by the summer but nobody knows if that can happen or not. (I booked a flight to Portugal for May a couple of weeks ago)
The current dominant variant means things are going to be different to last summer unfortunately, at least thats the way its looking.People are at different stages of coping/accepting/understanding the rapidly changing situation.To me it comes across as stupidity, lack of understanding, lack of reasoning skills etc.

Micky 32

HBC08 wrote: »

I’m quite aware how this virus works. So it’s permant restrictions in your book, right?

Not at all,
I'd be hoping harsh restrictions would be lifted by the summer but nobody knows if that can happen or not. (I booked a flight to Portugal for May a couple of weeks ago)
The current dominant variant means things are going to be different to last summer unfortunately, at least thats the way its looking.People are at different stages of coping/accepting/understanding the rapidly changing situation.To me it comes across as stupidity, lack of understanding, lack of reasoning skills etc.[/QUOTE]

The evidence suggests the vaccines are more likely to work against the new strains than not.

Deagol

HBC08 wrote: »

I’m quite aware how this virus works. So it’s permant restrictions in your book, right?

Not at all,
I'd be hoping harsh restrictions would be lifted by the summer but nobody knows if that can happen or not. (I booked a flight to Portugal for May a couple of weeks ago)
The current dominant variant means things are going to be different to last summer unfortunately, at least thats the way its looking.People are at different stages of coping/accepting/understanding the rapidly changing situation.To me it comes across as stupidity, lack of understanding, lack of reasoning skills etc.

And just exactly what expertise do you have that you can preach to everyone on how this situation will evolve? Let me guess, you have facebook...

HBC08

Deagol wrote: »

And just exactly what expertise do you have that you can preach to everyone on how this situation will evolve? Let me guess, you have facebook...

None at all,same as you.
I might possibly have a better way of interpreting facts and coming to logical conclusions though.
Sometimes even if I don't like the outcomes.

HBC08

Micky 32 wrote: »

Not at all,
I'd be hoping harsh restrictions would be lifted by the summer but nobody knows if that can happen or not. (I booked a flight to Portugal for May a couple of weeks ago)
The current dominant variant means things are going to be different to last summer unfortunately, at least thats the way its looking.People are at different stages of coping/accepting/understanding the rapidly changing situation.To me it comes across as stupidity, lack of understanding, lack of reasoning skills etc.

The evidence suggests the vaccines are more likely to work against the new strains than not.[/quote]

Early data from AZ vaccine suggests it may stop spread up to 67% which is great. Unfortunately early data also suggests it only has 10% efficacy against SA variant for example.
I think the reality that the current vaccines will not work as well against current and future variants is slowly dawning.Its not good news,I'm not happy about it and I work in frontline healthcare.
Personally I'm hoping they can tweak vaccines to match the strains like they do with the flu.