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escooter & ebike regulation

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    Legislation for the use of escooters
    ...
    Tax, insurance and driving licenses will not be required.
    sensible move, anyway.
    another one to add to the list too, when people come up with 'the greens have done nothing in government' in six month's time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 809 ✭✭✭ 8valve


    Good news.

    Regulation of ebikes, that are capable of exceeding the 25kmh assistance limit, as light mopeds makes sense, too.

    Currently they are illegal to use on the roads here.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,546 ✭✭✭✭ wonski


    They need to be regulated one way or another, but the legislation has to be future proofed as there are some mad e bikes being made and they will get faster and faster.

    Some products advertised as e bikes are really electric motorbikes with pedals. This has to be regulated.

    Allowed, but regulated. And controlled.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭ novarock


    wonski wrote: »
    They need to be regulated one way or another, but the legislation has to be future proofed as there are some mad e bikes being made and they will get faster and faster.

    Some products advertised as e bikes are really electric motorbikes with pedals. This has to be regulated.

    Allowed, but regulated. And controlled.

    Exactly, my hope is that its a bit more granular than 250W ebikes, and everything else after that...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭ MojoMaker


    Good news on e-scooters too. Finally a move away from the limbo state they're in and the oft-mooted nonsense around tax and insurance :rolleyes:


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    8valve wrote: »
    Good news.

    Regulation of ebikes, that are capable of exceeding the 25kmh assistance limit, as light mopeds makes sense, too.

    Currently they are illegal to use on the roads here.
    it's not that they're illegal to use, they're legal to use with licence, insurance, helmet, etc.; and there's no framework around all that (certainly with insurance anyway) so not possible to use legally in a practical sense. which i guess you could argue makes them illegal.
    i assume that they'll just explicitly put them in the sub-50cc moped bracket.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    @OP, hope you don't mind, i changed the thread title; the main part of the news here for many people is in relation to e-scooters rather than e-bikes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,226 ✭✭✭✭ Enfilade


    The horse has long bolted in terms of the scooters. This time last year I'd see the odd one, now I see them daily. I'm at peace with them now for the most part, majority of the ones who ride the footpath seem to be giving way and using a bell you'll always have the odd AH. The piss poor lights on some of them if they even have them especially the rear ones bugs me.

    🚴‍♂️



  • Registered Users Posts: 377 ✭✭ Dutchy


    Any idea as to when this new legislation with pass? I have my eye on the Xiaomi Mi Pro 2 - this news may make me pull the purchase trigger. Assume this model will be compliant with the new legislation?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    i'd say it'll be months away.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 865 ✭✭✭ thund3rbird_


    could be 6 months :eek::eek:

    Proposed Electric Scooter Laws plus more info
    https://goosed.ie/irelands-proposed-electric-scooter-laws/


    link to legislation to track progress:
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2021/28/


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 13,991 Mod ✭✭✭✭ monument


    could be 6 months :eek::eek:

    Proposed Electric Scooter Laws plus more info
    https://goosed.ie/irelands-proposed-electric-scooter-laws/


    link to legislation to track progress:
    https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/bills/bill/2021/28/

    That seems to be a bandwagoning bill by the TD in question.

    Scooters are to be legalised by the Minister for Transport on behalf of the Government via the Road Traffic (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill which is currently at the pre-legislative scrutiny stage.

    For the record: Electric bicycles with which the motor cuts off at 25km/h are already legal in Ireland by way of vehicle legislation and a finance act.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    Yep, it's the Road Traffic (Miscellaneous Provisions) Bill 2019 you want.

    Alan Farrell is just looking for some attention there. He knows that the government's bill is being brought to the Transport Committee but is trying to bring forward a private member's bill alongside it. He knows his bill won't get through before the government's bill but he will get to take some credit now and when the government's bill eventually gets through.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Regarding the proposed power limit, 250w, for ebikes, what does that mean if you are, say, a bit on the big side i.e. is 250w perfect for someone with a BMI of 25, but totally crap for someone with a BMI of 40?

    Might be a stupid question, but I have no understanding of what a 250w limit actually means when it coms to using the thing as I haven't had a chance to take a spin on one of these


  • Registered Users Posts: 393 ✭✭ mvt


    If you have a BMI of 40 chances are the next thing you'll be travelling on is a hearse :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,460 ✭✭✭✭ Thelonious Monk


    what regulations are we expecting to see on escooters? I would imagine they'll make hi vis and helmets and all that jazz compulsory?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    what regulations are we expecting to see on escooters? I would imagine they'll make hi vis and helmets and all that jazz compulsory?

    I can imagine that anything running below 25kmh will be bound by bike rules and as you say helmet and high vis.

    Those that go faster may end up in moped bracket - of course will be very hard to tell unless the gardai get lucky.

    I have a ninebot, larger scooter, more stable and its daft listening to the talk around them, i can do 40kmh easy on my racer. The scooter is silly safe when you use it right.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,444 Mod ✭✭✭✭ magicbastarder


    eamonn ryan has repeatedly stated he's no interestin making helmets compulsory for cyclists, and if the law is passed that e-scooters are limited to 25km/h, i like to think they'll be treated as equivalent in that sense.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    eamonn ryan has repeatedly stated he's no interestin making helmets compulsory for cyclists, and if the law is passed that e-scooters are limited to 25km/h, i like to think they'll be treated as equivalent in that sense.

    They really don't go fast enough for it to be more than a gimmick - i can step off mine at close to top speed.

    Will say the cycle paths being bad quality has taken on a whole new meaning and I have 10 inch inflatable tyres on my one, need to act like I am snowboarding - knees bent all the time to take the shocks out.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 26,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭ Peregrine


    what regulations are we expecting to see on escooters? I would imagine they'll make hi vis and helmets and all that jazz compulsory?
    This is what the Department were thinking about a month ago. The bill that will be published soon may include some changes and there will be changes at committee stage.

    Permitted in all cycle lanes, bus lanes and contraflow bus lanes.
    Not permitted on footpaths or motorways.
    This one is controversial.. Not permitted on national roads unless there's a bus lane or cycle lane.
    Use on greenways to be determined by local bye-laws.

    Maximum design speed of 25 km/h.
    No lower age limit determined yet but this could change.
    High-vis and helmets "strongly recommended" but not mandatory.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,151 ✭✭✭ baldbear


    In my area loads of young guys, approx 15, were going around on bikes during 1st lockdown now after Xmas they are on escooters going from parks to playgrounds messing.

    If you tell them to leave a playground and let kids play there they will tell you where to go. Then they move on and come back. Headwrecking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭ DaCor


    Thank you, I really appreciate all that info in your reply


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,526 ✭✭✭ Skill Magill


    What penalties can you currently get if you have a motor over 250w and a top speed in excess of 25km/h? Would I be at risk of getting points or losing my licence for no insurance? (I know there's no catagery for these type of vehicles on your licence)
    I wouldn't mind a slap on the wrist or a small fine, but if it affects my current clean licence I'd have second thoughts


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    What penalties can you currently get if you have a motor over 250w and a top speed in excess of 25km/h? Would I be at risk of getting points or losing my licence for no insurance? (I know there's no catagery for these type of vehicles on your licence)
    I wouldn't mind a slap on the wrist or a small fine, but if it affects my current clean licence I'd have second thoughts

    There was a court case in Ennis there recently,

    Fines etc. and someone in Rathfarnham got fixed penalty charge and points (no court I think)

    It's all a bit stupid at the moment, tons about and just a few unlucky people have met a misery Garda on a bad day.

    Judges should have more cop on though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,887 ✭✭✭✭ Del2005


    What penalties can you currently get if you have a motor over 250w and a top speed in excess of 25km/h? Would I be at risk of getting points or losing my licence for no insurance? (I know there's no catagery for these type of vehicles on your licence)
    I wouldn't mind a slap on the wrist or a small fine, but if it affects my current clean licence I'd have second thoughts

    They are consider motorbikes so all the offences for using an uninsured vehicle. If we follow the UK route then they won't ever be legal and our traffic law is closer to the UK than Europe.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,988 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    Del2005 wrote: »
    They are consider motorbikes so all the offences for using an uninsured vehicle. If we follow the UK route then they won't ever be legal and our traffic law is closer to the UK than Europe.

    Such nonsense. Thought the greens would have at least achieved some legislation on this by now.

    Not sure what they are even doing in Gov at the moment - haven't seen anything on the transport side from them at least


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,335 ✭✭✭ Macy0161


    I'd say you'd have to be seriously over the limits to be pulled and/or acting the eejit, and then failed the "don't be a dick to the cop" to end up in court tbh.


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