Tesla Supercharger network in Ireland

slave1

EV6 for me, those charging speeds at V3 chargers, literally splash and dash

unkel

Ioniq 5 and EV6 are great cars. Much better built than Teslas. Yet not anywhere near on the same level tech wise, the ease of use, the sat nav with fast charging guidance and battery precondition , the auto pilot, the features, the voice controls, etc.

The gap is getting smaller, but it is still several years at least. And that's comparing a 2014 Tesla to a 2022 Kia / Hyundai...

ELM327

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118516154#Comment_118516154

EV6 would likely charge at a peak of ~140kW at the v3 charger. Remember the V3 is optimized for high amperage (669a peak observed) and low voltage 350-400v nominal. EV6 is an 800v car (so that halves the peak rate at a 400v charger) and has a lower amp limit of 500a as per standard CCS2 protocol

slave1

I'll take 140kW constant, you know yourself the way Tesla throttle and even the later S100 won't go past 120kW now regardless of SOC.

Red Silurian

looking at a day trip to the beach at the weekend, hotel down there has 3 tesla destination charges and 1 is open to every EV, do I need a tesla account to charge my non-tesla at this or what's the story? Can't find a price either...

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118531734#Comment_118531734

No. It is free if works.

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118531734#Comment_118531734

These are destination chargers and not superchargers…

Basically the same as a Tesla Home Charger, so simply plug and charge…. The Tesla only ones have an internal switch flicked so that they only charge Tesla cars, but the other ones will charge any Type 2 car.

red sign = Tesla Only

grey sign = Any Type 2 EV

Armada Hotel in Spanish Point?

Partial

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532061#Comment_118532061

To double check; any charger on the map with a grey icon is a destination charger and can be used by any ev? Costs?

innrain

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533320#Comment_118533320

Those are destination chargers. See Andy's answer above. No guarantee for non Tesla. Cost zero.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118532061#Comment_118532061

The very one. Presume we need to have our Lunch in the hotel? All things being fair and all that

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118533320#Comment_118533320

No,

The map simply shows where there are Tesla Destination Chargers. If you dig in a little deeper it will tell you how many there are at any location, but for Tesla Only... as in it doesn't count Tesla chargers that are open to all EV's.

Example: Kellys Resort in Rosslare Strand have 7 Tesla Destination Chargers in total, but 4 of them are designated as Tesla Only, so the Tesla map/website only says 4, meaning they don't count the ones that are set up to charge any EV at this particular site...

Usually if a location has more than 1 Tesla Destination Charger, at least one of them will be set up for any car, but if it's only a single charger at the location (Radisson Spa Limerick), then it'll be Tesla only.

PlugShare is your friend to figure out what is at each site...

Here's an example of the grey & red signs (Renvylle House Hotel in Connemara), so red is Tesla only, & grey is any Type 2 EV (interestingly Tesla website counts both of these chargers);

And again at the Armada Hotel in Spanish Point (with ground markings also to show Tesla & Non Tesla spots;

There are no fee's for Tesla Destination charging, but some sites may stipulate that you must be a guest/customer at the location to use the charger.

cannco253

Is there any benefit for a Tesla driver to use the Tesla only destination charger as opposed to the grey type 2 (open to all) destination charger if both are available on arrival? Is it that older Tesla cars can only use one and not the other?

AndyBoBandy

Both chargers are the same and will charge a car (including any Tesla) the same way/speed, so the idea is as a Tesla driver you use the Tesla only one first as it keeps the non Tesla one available for other cars to use should they arrive when you are charging.

Any Tesla can use any of them.

When a Tesla plugs into a Tesla charger they perform a handshake, so the Tesla only chargers will know that a Tesla is plugged in and allow the charge to start. These are mostly gen 2 Tesla chargers and as such are dumb chargers, so when a Tesla plugs in, the charger actually will use the car's cellular connection to report back to home base and check for any firmware updates etc and download & install them via the car.

markpb

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534430#Comment_118534430

I didn't know about the second bit. That's pretty cool!

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534344#Comment_118534344

There is a small benefit to the Tesla driver but the main benefit would be to the other EV drivers as when they show up there's a space free to charge at.

In turn that EV driver is more likely to buy another EV when the time comes to upgrade his car.

He might remember seeing the Tesla parked and how there were 2 spaces instead of 1 for Tesla cars at a particular location and consider a Tesla as a result. The original Tesla driver who used the Tesla only charger now has a more popular car and is therefore worth more second hand when the time comes

So it's a win for the Tesla driver, the EV driver and future EV sales all around, albeit all are very very small wins

slave1

Any word on the Enfield and Athenry debacles?

AndyBoBandy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118540062#Comment_118540062

Anna's cousin says no.

teslaownercork

Just spoke to the General Manager of Raheen Woods Hotel Athenry about an update on ESB networks connecting the Superchargers to the Network. His exact words were as follows.

‘’ we haven’t heard a whisper from ESB networks on a connection date’’

how are ESB getting away with this??? This could be a long waiting game.

unkel

Because they are a semi-state company. Looks like they are accountable to no one.

markpb

ESB Networks have been like that for new connections for decades. I assume most people only have to deal with them once so it never becomes an issue. And if you tried to politicise it, you’d be presented with the ‘out in storms, risking their lives to get your electricity restored working class (on an average of 90k/year) heros’.

unkel

I remember when it took two years to get a phone connected in your house. It helped of course if you knew someone in Telecom Éireann. A brown envelope helped too. Semi-state company bliss in the Irish banana republic. 🙄🙄🙄

How things have changed now. One phone call last summer and the next day fiber to the home was connected from somewhere in the middle of my road to my house, a cable was run from the connection point on the outside side of my house all the way to my television area in my living room on the other side of my house and a perfect internet connection was made. All for free.

Time for the ESB to be privatised too. All staff should re-apply for any jobs that will be carried over (probably about half of them) and if they are offered the position, they can accept new contracts based on market conform packages or they can go look for a job elsewhere.

garo

Decades of neo-liberal conditioning has created a sort of reflex thinking that privatisation means more efficient service. Despite plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Maybe we should look at our neighbours on how their privatisations have gone before doing the same here. Privatisation is NOT a panacea.

Edit: https://www.standard.co.uk/esmoney/bust-energy-suppliers-b958705.html

Is this what we really want here?

And this costs consumers:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/nov/29/collapse-of-uk-energy-firms-could-cost-each-household-extra-120

ELM327

You are falsely equating supply companies (which are already all private here) with distribution and networks.

unkel

And where did I say privatisation was a panacea? And as for the privatisation of utility providers, this has worked quite well in Ireland now that there is a sufficient level of competition. If an incompetent provider like Just Energy a few years ago offering fixed price unlimited electricity to the likes of me and then having their systems completely failing in even getting the money off me - they cease to operate and release all their staff. A more successful competitor takes over.

zg3409

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118534344#Comment_118534344

Beware some sites may have non Tesla brand chargers too, but often tesla are 22kW max while non Tesla may be older 3.3kW old free esb supplied ones. Note at some places with Tesla destination chargers the chargers do not work, have not worked for a long time and won't be fixed. Tesla give the hardware to the hotel for free, but it's up to hotel to maintain it and pay for electricity. In Eniskillen for example Tesla chargers at a shopping centre were switched off recently, as centre management decided they did not want to provide a free service any more, instead it's no service. Your cars sat nav won't know that, so check plugshare app for real user feedback. These are often glorified home chargers so will take many hours to fill the car, and could be busy at peak times.

AndyBoBandy

They are not 'often glorified' home chargers, they ARE 100% home chargers, just like the one on my wall.... there is zero difference.

I've often arrived at non working Tesla Destination Chargers, and a simple reset of the unit got them working again...

The majority I've used have been 3ph and I've gotten the full 11kW from them, and a few have been less so. (OH stayed in the Kingsley Hotel in Cork last year and arrived to all non working chargers, so was able to reset one of them, and got it going, but it only ran at 3kW.. which was still enough to flll the car up overnight).

cannco253

https://insideevs.com/news/563990/non-tesla-supercharging-spotted-norway/

Was signposted towards the end of last year, but looks like it's gone live in some locations in Norway

slave1

This shows SuC open to non-Teslas, obviously needs to be kept up to date by Tesla but currently only showing Netherlands

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wassie

Teslarati reported on Norway & Sweden opening up in the middle of last year, although the projected date of Q3 2022 now looks like it may be sooner than previously anticipated with this trial. Germany probably also to follow suit soon.

loopymum

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118558535#Comment_118558535

How do you reset them? I've never had a successful charge off the Tesla destination charger for non teslas.

I was in Clonakity over Christmas and there was a hotel in town and you could never get near the chargers as they were always iced