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When's calving starting 2021

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    #482
    tellmeabit
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    RobinBanks wrote: »
    a great bull. I have a super cow here from him.

    Are they good to calve? What would you out on her? Have a nice heifers from last year think I'll keep her


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    #483
    tanko
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    tellmeabit wrote: »
    Are they good to calve? What would you out on her? Have a nice heifers from last year think I'll keep her

    It depends on the type of them, whether they're good square R grade types or shapey U grade types. You have to be careful with them, putting Charolais bulls on them can be very troublesome from what ive seen.
    They cross very well with Lim bulls i think.
    Have seen some lovely Saler calves off Blue cross heifers lately.


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    #484
    High bike
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    RobinBanks wrote: »
    a great bull. I have a super cow here from him.
    Have a few heifers off him from last year of dairy cows are they milky off him.?


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    #485
    jfh
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    I have a smasher saler heifer beguin out of a dbz dam.


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    #486
    jfh
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    High bike wrote: »
    Have a few heifers off him from last year of dairy cows are they milky off him.?

    Yes the couple I had were milky


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    #487
    High bike
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    jfh wrote: »
    I have a smasher saler heifer beguin out of a dbz dam.
    Mine arent over big so would prob go with a Saler too first time anyway


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    #488
    tellmeabit
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    High bike wrote: »
    Mine arent over big so would prob go with a Saler too first time anyway

    My one isn't over muscle but really like how she has come on since weanling with little or no meal


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    #489
    tellmeabit
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    tellmeabit wrote: »
    A dbz bull call 10 days over, knuckle caught, straightened and big pull. Cow was down for a while but up now, calf making a few goes to stand but is unable. Have him propper up but is very thrown down after he tries to stand. Have couple ltrs gone into him.
    2 after a shot for pain off vet.
    Cow calved a hefier off same bull last year 4 days shorter. Fingers crossed.
    This was a hard one one all involves.

    Hes up and at it today


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    #490
    High bike
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    tellmeabit wrote: »
    Hes up and at it today
    nice calf and nicely marked too


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    #491
    Mooooo
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    He's at 9% cd, or was on the old system, but your cows would put a lot more onto the calf than mine would. Lovely pair there. Had a bull landed 3 days early here while ago off a DGY cow. Cows cleaned and calf sucking mad


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    #492
    tellmeabit
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    Mooooo wrote: »
    He's at 9% cd, or was on the old system, but your cows would put a lot more onto the calf than mine would. Lovely pair there. Had a bull landed 3 days early here while ago off a DGY cow. Cows cleaned and calf sucking mad

    7.6 according to last years report. I've bb5223 at about 10% on 2 big framed cows , not so sure I'll let them go too many days over after that, one of them calves Rws last year with bit of pull. Big framed animal like this lad.


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    #493
    jfh
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    Lads, have a calf here, that hasn't stood or sucked since he was born on Sunday , I've been tubing him with milk, thought he'd die but still hanging on, breathing heavy, like fluid in lungs but was born on slats so might be pneumonia, anything ye recommend?


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    #494
    tanko
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    Has a vet seen him? That's where i'd be starting if not.

    Maybe the cow was claving too long and his lungs aren't right.
    Has he a high temperature?


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    #495
    TooOldBoots
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    jfh wrote: »
    Lads, have a calf here, that hasn't stood or sucked since he was born on Sunday , I've been tubing him with milk, thought he'd die but still hanging on, breathing heavy, like fluid in lungs but was born on slats so might be pneumonia, anything ye recommend?

    Pneumonia wouldn't have hit him that quick, as tanko says there could be fluid in the lungs but I'd have thought it would be absorbed in by now. Was the calf jacked or had a hard pull, it's possible he could have broken or cracked ribs if it was a severe pull.
    Keep him dry and warm, what ever chance he has


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    #496
    K9
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    jfh wrote: »
    Lads, have a calf here, that hasn't stood or sucked since he was born on Sunday , I've been tubing him with milk, thought he'd die but still hanging on, breathing heavy, like fluid in lungs but was born on slats so might be pneumonia, anything ye recommend?

    Could have a problem with his heart too. Had one few years ago, she came right after a few injections but was lucky to. Vet didn’t have much confidence


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    #497
    jfh
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    TooOldBoots wrote: »
    Pneumonia wouldn't have hit him that quick, as tanko says there could be fluid in the lungs but I'd have thought it would be absorbed in by now. Was the calf jacked or had a hard pull, it's possible he could have broken or cracked ribs if it was a severe pull.
    Keep him dry and warm, what ever chance he has

    I think the mad b**ch stood on her in the melee, there's definitely something wrong with a back leg, I'll get the vet tomorrow


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    #498
    tismesoitis
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    Lime Tree Farm wrote: »
    You would wonder at times, we had one like that last year, tried resuscitating him. Then saw a birth like it on a UK TV farming programme, they kept working on him for ages and amazingly got him going.

    I bought a calf resuscitator this year - has anyone here experience of using one.

    It is amazing how these calves can be brought back from the edge.
    Last year we had the vet out to calve a heifer who had a very big lim calf in her. It really should have been a c.section. After a brutal pull the calf landed lifeless. Myself and my mother started at him,rubbing his chest, working his front legs,cold water in ears and stalks of straw up the nose. Vet examined him after a minute or so and said he was gone! We kept going and calf shook his head about 2 or 3 minutes later and never looked back. Was wrecked after it but it was a huge sense of achievement to save him. I think even the vey learned a lesson that night!


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    #499
    Base price
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    One of the Matrix (SH4209) dairy cross heifers that I bought in as a suck calf produced a nice Hussar (SH4319) heifer calf on Sunday.
    First pic is the cow and calf. Second pic is the cow when she was a calf.


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    #500
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    The second pic didn't upload.


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    #501
    Lime Tree Farm
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    tismesoitis wrote: »
    It is amazing how these calves can be brought back from the edge.
    Last year we had the vet out to calve a heifer who had a very big lim calf in her. It really should have been a c.section. After a brutal pull the calf landed lifeless. Myself and my mother started at him,rubbing his chest, working his front legs,cold water in ears and stalks of straw up the nose. Vet examined him after a minute or so and said he was gone! We kept going and calf shook his head about 2 or 3 minutes later and never looked back. Was wrecked after it but it was a huge sense of achievement to save him. I think even the vey learned a lesson that night!

    I was reading recently, have the front legs tucked under them, to prop up the chest and allow the lungs expand and breathe in, as it is more difficult for them if they are laying on their side.


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    #502
    tellmeabit
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    Lime Tree Farm wrote: »
    I was reading recently, have the front legs tucked under them, to prop up the chest and allow the lungs expand and breathe in, as it is more difficult for them if they are laying on their side.

    Back legs to each side too. Helps hold them there.


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    #503
    whelan2
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    Was someone saying on here a cloudy eye in a calf is a sign of a deficiency?


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    #504
    Lime Tree Farm
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Was someone saying on here a cloudy eye in a calf is a sign of a deficiency?

    I don't know, but I have heard of a newborn or days old calf getting a Vit B injection to prevent blindness.


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    #505
    funkey_monkey
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    Was someone saying on here a cloudy eye in a calf is a sign of a deficiency?

    I thought it was Vit A they got.

    Does it have any other symptoms - does it react to a hand across the eyes?


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    #506
    whelan2
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    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    I thought it was Vit A they got.

    Does it have any other symptoms - does it react to a hand across the eyes?

    Its a suckler calf. The same cow's calf died at 2 months last year. It's a week old. Is doing ok. A bit of a scour yesterday and the day before gave it effydral and multimin. One eye is cloudy put opticlox in it too


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    #507
    funkey_monkey
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    Scour - Have you got the results back yet of the BVD?
    Might be something congenital. The fact that the calf last year died young would make me feel the need to cull the cow if you don't get a satisfactory diagnosis from the vet - what have they said on the matter?

    https://www.fginsight.com/news/news/bvd-zero-calves-observation-can-give-vital-clues-bvd-is-in-a-herd-140314-1116

    Possible eye defects in BVD exposed calves:
    • Microphthalmia – literally translates as ‘small eye’ and can affect one of both eyes
    • Cataracts – eyes look cloudy and lead to blindness
    • Retinal dysplasia – again capable of affecting one or both eyes, the calf will have impaired sight and a non-functioning retina in the eye and will most likely be blind
    • Retinal detachment – calves are born with impaired sight and may go on to develop full blindness in either one or both eyes


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    #508
    whelan2
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    Vet was out with the calf from last year a few times and couldn't figure what was wrong. Bvd sample sent on monday. Pedigree Angus calf


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    #509
    funkey_monkey
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    It would have to be the ped one :( Is she a 2nd calver - or has she previously reared a calf?
    Hopefully it pulls through - do the cows get precalver minerals?


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    #510
    whelan2
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    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    It would have to be the ped one :( Is she a 2nd calver - or has she previously reared a calf?
    Hopefully it pulls through - do the cows get precalver minerals?

    This is her 3rd calf a heifer in 2019 that was fine. A bull last March that died st 2 months and then this calf. I remember last year when the vet first visited the calf was riddled with lice. It had been outside since birth, never saw a young calf with so many on it. Vet said lice attack a weak animal . Ye they got a good do with minerals and on good silage


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    #511
    tellmeabit
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    jfh wrote: »
    Lads, have a calf here, that hasn't stood or sucked since he was born on Sunday , I've been tubing him with milk, thought he'd die but still hanging on, breathing heavy, like fluid in lungs but was born on slats so might be pneumonia, anything ye recommend?


    How is he since?
    My fella is similar from Sunday but is up and sucks away, breathing heavy and after feeding is sweating. No temp. He is struggling with the knuckle that was stopping him calving. The pull after didn't help. He is lively but o don't like the breathing a sweating.vet gave me a few shots for him but I'll have to get him out to see for himself.


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