Joe Biden Presidency thread *Please read OP - Threadbanned Users Added 4/5/21*

Melanchthon

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Nobody is perfect, and in that context, it's a binary choice. If you take a giant step back and look at the personal history, behaviour and rhetoric of both men, which man would you choose to lead US international affairs?

My point is that the personality, history and so on is irrelevant to international affairs.
Look at the last couple of presidents and how their foreign policy benefited the USA geopolitical position.

Trump- actually not bad on international affairs in substance, ignore the surface scandals and rhetoric looking at it dispassionately he doesn't have as many actual failures as Obama did. Edit the killing of the Iranian general in Iraq is a good example, loads of worthy column inches and hysterical Twitter posts about how it was a huge mistake, in the end though it was a win for the US and it weakened Iran.

Obama- was charismatic, but failed utterly in relation to containing Chinese influence, wasn't particularly successful in resolving the middle Eastern messes and had the rise of Isis under his watch. Laughed of Russia which is deeply ironic considering how the democrats have spent the Trump years talking up their threat. Libya was a disaster for his European allies (french are too blame here too though).

GW Bush - Bad, didn't think through the interventions

Clinton - Pretty good in general, he might have bombed some places needlessly but he didn't cost many american lives or weaken the US position.

Both GW Bush and Obama were personally nicer more moral people than Bill Clinton and Trump but both were better on foreign policy.

Overheal

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.westernjournal.com/3-unions-endorsed-biden-seem-like-already-regretting/amp/?__twitter_impression=true




Biden doesnt care about working class people.

All 35 permanent jobs, RIP :rolleyes:

Cody montana

landofthetree wrote: »

All that will happen is the US will buy oil from Russia, Iraq or Venezuela.




https://edmontonjournal.com/news/politics/david-staples-will-the-united-states-choose-alberta-crude-or-go-with-massive-job-losses-and-dictator-oil/wcm/2e1064eb-c91f-4a20-8693-075165564ff9/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/environment_energy/voters_oppose_biden_s_keystone_xl_pipeline_decision_expect_higher_gas_prices

I’m pretty certain the USA already imports oil from foreign countries.

Cody montana

landofthetree wrote: »

Every democratic president has been a disaster post WW2. All war criminals for starters.

Biden will be up with the worst of them.

What about Bush?
The guy that started 2 wars?

Professor Moriarty

Melanchthon wrote: »

My point is that the personality, history and so on is irrelevant to international affairs.
Look at the last couple of presidents and how their foreign policy benefited the USA geopolitical position.

Trump- actually not bad on international affairs in substance, ignore the surface scandals and rhetoric looking at it dispassionately he doesn't have as many actual failures as Obama did.

Obama- was charismatic, but failed utterly in relation to containing Chinese influence, wasn't particularly successful in resolving the middle Eastern messes and had the rise of Isis under his watch. Laughed of Russia which is deeply ironic considering how the democrats have spent the Trump years talking up their threat. Libya was a disaster for his European allies (french are too blame here too though).

GW Bush - Bad, didn't think through the interventions

Clinton - Pretty good in general, he might have bombed some places needlessly but he didn't cost many american lives or weaken the US position.

Both GW Bush and Obama were personally nicer more moral people than Bill Clinton and Trump but both were better on foreign policy.

Look at Trump's performance. Alienated the EU and started a trade war. Constantly insulted China and started a trade war. Stabbed the Kurds in the back. Was made a fool of by North Korea. Tried to bully Mexico and Canada. Sold arms to Saudi Arabia and look what they did with them. And so on. The important part of all these decisions is that they were based on egotism not principle. His only guiding principles were: Can I gain personal advantage here? Will this make me look good? There were no other principles involved. No thought of people or country. Zero.

Overheal

Cody montana wrote: »

I’m pretty certain the USA already imports oil from foreign countries.

Correct. But net exports became net imports right around the end of Obamas presidency.

The biggest consumption of fuel is passenger vehicles and the push for renewables + EVs is the right way forward.

rossie1977

landofthetree wrote: »

Every democratic president has been a disaster post WW2. All war criminals for starters.

Biden will be up with the worst of them.

Yes every Democratic president....



Truman, JFK, Clinton and Obama all rank high by historian scholars. Nixon, Bush Jr and Trump among lowest ranked of all time presidents. Reagan was smooth talker but make no mistake his 8 years greatly hurt America and led all the wealth moving to top.

dwayneshintzy

rossie1977 wrote: »

Yes every Democratic president....

Literally no point posting something like this for some people......they just use it as further evidence that Democrats are more dishonest and have simply "got away with it" more than Republicans.

Cody montana

Overheal wrote: »

Correct. But net exports became net imports right around the end of Obamas presidency.

The biggest consumption of fuel is passenger vehicles and the push for renewables + EVs is the right way forward.

Indeed.
Change is hopefully coming.
Biden promised green jobs, he needs to deliver now.
Cancellation of the pipeline was a start.

Overheal

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Literally no point posting something like this for some people......they just use it as further evidence that Democrats are more dishonest and have simply "got away with it" more than Republicans.

Or that Republicans “did what had to be done for the country etc”

Water John

The GOP seem to be already regressing, getting worried about deficits. They are also developing amnesia as to what happened just two weeks ago and seems now very little chance of Trump being convicted, no matter what the evidence.
Correctly, a full inquiry needs to be conducted by a Congress committee as to how the whole mess on the 6th unfolded.

dark crystal

landofthetree wrote: »

Every democratic president has been a disaster post WW2. All war criminals for starters.

Biden will be up with the worst of them.

What war did Jimmy Carter engage in?

Trump has been responsible for more American deaths in 11 months than during the entirety of WWII.

Airstrikes in Afghanistan increased civillian deaths by 330% since 2016.

Oh and here's another fun fact! Of the 4 presidential impeachments in US history, Republicans are responsible for 3/4 of them.

What a legacy!

Water John

And they couldn't find any dirt on Bill Clinton so just went after a stain instead.

mcmoustache

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

President Biden now has the opportunity to stop it. The Democrats have control of the house and a narrow margin in the Senate. They can do it.

And they plan to so I'm not sure what you're getting at. You's complaining that they have no plans to do something that they plan to do. This is like a toddler crying when they see another kid with an ice cream and forget the ice cream in their hand.



https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/biden-stop-support-saudi-war-crimes-yemen.html

During his Senate confirmation hearing on Tuesday, Secretary of State-designate Anthony Blinken said President Joe Biden’s administration would end U.S. support for Saudi Arabia’s military intervention in Yemen, which in Blinken’s words had “contributed to … the worst humanitarian situation anywhere in the world.”

Melanchthon

https://reason.com/2021/01/22/the-washington-post-memory-holed-kamala-harris-bad-joke-about-inmates-begging-for-food-and-water/

It's funny, when the subject of rising distrust in the media is brought up nobody ever seems to highlight there might be a legitimate reason for that rise in distrust

Overheal

Bernie Sanders got in on a grift :mad:

https://twitter.com/biggado_/status/1352699582929580032?s=21

Das Reich

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

You live in an insane online world of fringe conspiracy theorists. Almost every single claim you've made in that post is verifiably false. But there's no point trying to convince you of anything, of course.


As the saying goes; you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into to begin with.

You are back on the thread? You disappeared few days ago.

dwayneshintzy

Das Reich wrote: »

You are back on the thread? You disappeared few days ago.

Eh, disappeared?

Necro

Mod:

CheerfulSpring2 - stop dragging conspiracy theory nonsense into this thread or your access to post will be removed

Everyone else please get back on topic. If it's a slow news day there's still no need to feed the rubbish being posted in the last page or so.

landofthetree

Big pharma is smiling big right now. The big three insulin producers are Eli Lilly and Company, Novo Nordisk A/S, and Sanofi S.A., in which they dominate more than 90% of the world insulin market by value. After swearing-in, U.S. President Joe Biden’s HHS froze the Trump administration’s December 2020 drug policy that mandates community health centers to pass on all their insulin and epinephrine discount savings to patients.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.swfinstitute.org/news/83900/pharma-biden-freezes-trumps-lower-cost-insulin-and-epinephrine-rule/amp

Biden doesnt care about people with long term illness.

Overheal

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.swfinstitute.org/news/83900/pharma-biden-freezes-trumps-lower-cost-insulin-and-epinephrine-rule/amp

Biden doesnt care about people with long term illness.

His EO suspended all recent rule changes not just this. Bad faith posting to imply he specifically targeted insulin discounts as something to take away from people.

dwayneshintzy

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.swfinstitute.org/news/83900/pharma-biden-freezes-trumps-lower-cost-insulin-and-epinephrine-rule/amp

Biden doesnt care about people with long term illness.

Biden has frozen all Trump executive orders. It's dishonest to claim that he's singled this order out in this way, or that he won't have action on it himself.

Regulatory Freeze Pending Review

Das Reich

rossie1977 wrote: »

Yes every Democratic president....

Truman, JFK, Clinton and Obama all rank high by historian scholars. Nixon, Bush Jr and Trump among lowest ranked of all time presidents. Reagan was smooth talker but make no mistake his 8 years greatly hurt America and led all the wealth moving to top.

Lets pick up JFK, he was not in power when US supported an invasion in Cuba? Then USA almost started a nuclear war during the crisis of the missiles. Far as now he also increased tension with Vietnam, who kicked the yankees from their country. And after the war we were forced to see hundreds of movies (made in USA) about the war that they lost. So ridiculous those people.

flatface

landofthetree wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.swfinstitute.org/news/83900/pharma-biden-freezes-trumps-lower-cost-insulin-and-epinephrine-rule/amp

Biden doesnt care about people with long term illness.

Or he is suspicious of any of Trump’s executive orders and how well thought out they are beyond the headline. Let’s see if it is indeed reviewed and there is any action.

[url] https://www.modernhealthcare.com/community-health-centers/hhs-freezes-rule-targeting-community-health-centers-drug-discounts[/url]

Das Reich

Tell me how wrote: »

How was Clinton a war criminal? He intervened in the former Yugoslavia where genocide was being carried out.
How was Obama a war criminal? He intervened in Libya where Gaddafi was bombing his own people.

Bear in mind Bush Snr launched the 1st Gulf war, Bush Jnr the 2nd (and afghanistan). Trump tried, but thankfully failed to start a war in the US. He also carried on in the same way Obama had done but stopped reporting these activities.

Looking forward to seeing your answer.

Very simple to answer this... By bombing civilian trains and buses full of ordinary people. About the so called genocide, very strange that all the countries they bomb there is an alleged genocide. Very strange they would save some people and leave other countries, lets say China, do thw genocides they want.

eagle eye

Overheal wrote:

His EO suspended all recent rule changes not just this. Bad faith posting to imply he specifically targeted insulin discounts as something to take away from people.

dwayneshintzy wrote:

Biden has frozen all Trump executive orders. It's dishonest to claim that he's singled this order out in this way, or that he won't have action on it himself.

I'm a Biden fan but this sort of reporting was done all the time with Trump.
You just got to accept it's going to happen.
And to be fair, imo these things should have been looked at and the good parts, if there were any, left in place. Freezing all orders without looking at them is going too far I think.

dwayneshintzy

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm a Biden fan but this sort of reporting was done all the time with Trump.
You just got to accept it's going to happen.
And to be fair, imo these things should have been looked at and the good parts, if there were any, left in place. Freezing all orders without looking at them is going too far I think.

Genuine question.......are you taking the piss?


They've frozen all orders to do precisely that; have a look at them. It's literally described in the link I provided in my post.

dwayneshintzy

Das Reich wrote: »

Now the question of the day for Dwayne and his friends Overhaul and Tell Me now. Who was the president of USA during the Islamic Revolution in Iran? Who took Saddam Hussein in Cairo and sent him to Iraq, and then filled him with guns and pushed him to invade Kuzesthan?

Why is that the question of the day you have, in a thread about Joe Biden's Presidency?

mcmoustache

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Why is that the question of the day you have, in a thread about Joe Biden's Presidency?

Look, he's trying his best and there isn't really a lot to work with. You have to admire that.

Das Reich

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Why is that the question of the day you have, in a thread about Joe Biden's Presidency?

Always running. The topic people are talking here are wars, can't you see it?