What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

kowloon

There's no justice, he'll manage to keep the law at bay and everything tied up in court until the cheeseburgers kill him. I'd like to think I'm wrong, but I don't think the law applies the same to his kind.

partyguinness

Quin_Dub wrote: »

No doubt - But how the banks will choose to resolve "their" problem now will be very different to the decisions they might have made before.

In the past , they were happy to maintain the relationship with him and allow him write down the debt or to refinance and kick the can down the road .

Now though , they'll foreclose or sell the debt on to someone else who will do the foreclosing.

And the speed of that will accelerate massively following his 1st conviction (for any of the pending cases , including Impeachment) should that come to pass.

I think one of the reason the banks have been (and will be) a little slow to call in the debt (the Presidency aside) is because guaranteed their own houses are not in order.

Taking on such a high profile debt would turn a huge unwelcome spotlight on the lender's own lending criteria and executive decision making process. Banks are very secretive.

Absolutely cast iron guaranteed corners were cut and a more than a few blind eyes turned. I don't think it would take much for a crack legal team to turn the tables on the bank and to the effect they will take the hit and Trump comes out smelling of roses.

duploelabs

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Fundamentally , the world is utterly different for the Trump family from now on.

Before he ran for office his entire Business and lifestyle was built on a fabricated story of business acumen and some kind of "midas touch".

A lot of people knew that this was a lie and that he really wasn't quite as successful as he claimed , but it was hard to prove and he was slippery enough to dodge and use spurious litigation to ward off the worst of it .

Now though , the curtain has been pulled back and frankly torn down.

Everyone now knows with absolute certainty that he's really not very good at business and that he is a text book example of a very very bad financial risk.

In the past , when creditors came knocking , he'd re-negotiate and kick the can down the road by promising some future success and then he'd find a new mark to kite the debt a bit further.

Now - As the next tranche of debt starts coming through , no one new will be interested in helping him and existing lenders are going to want their cash on the due date.

And even if the allegations are true and he has taken "dubious" money in the past as those partners looked to wash their money of it's true lineage , none of them will take that risk again as the level of scrutiny of his finances will be beyond intense over the next few years.

The walls are closing in on him and his kids.

briany

It may be true that Donald Trump's name is dirt within the financial and corporate worlds. Not that those from the corporate and financial worlds are necessarily averse to doing business with controversial figures, they just prefer not to have a spotlight shone on it.

But Trump is a popular brand with millions of ordinary Americans. There has to be a way for him to leverage his status as a cult leader into making tonnes of cash for his personal fortune. I mean, what good is being a cult leader if you can't absolutely fleece the rubes you're leading?

Quin_Dub

partyguinness wrote: »

I think one of the reason the banks have been (and will be) a little slow to call in the debt (the Presidency aside) is because guaranteed their own houses are not in order.

Taking on such a high profile debt would turn a huge unwelcome spotlight on the lender's own lending criteria and executive decision making process. Banks are very secretive.

Absolutely cast iron guaranteed corners were cut and a more than a few blind eyes turned. I don't think it would take much for a crack legal team to turn the tables on the bank and to the effect they will take the hit and Trump comes out smelling of roses.

Which is why they'll just sell the risk on - Take a bit of a hit , but avoid the scrutiny of their processes.

So it won't be Deutsche Bank or the like foreclosing on Trump Tower , it'll be "International Repossessions Inc." or whatever.

They will want to get as much distance between them and Trump as possible , and fast..

osarusan

He'll always find a way to make money.

If he asked every person who voted for him to send him $10 so he could fight the deep state lawyers, he could make millions instantly.

Quin_Dub

briany wrote: »

It may be true that Donald Trump's name is dirt within the financial and corporate worlds. Not that those from the corporate and financial worlds are necessarily averse to doing business with controversial figures, they just prefer not to have a spotlight shone on it.

But Trump is a popular brand with millions of ordinary Americans. There has to be a way for him to leverage his status as a cult leader into making tonnes of cash for his personal fortune. I mean, what good is being a cult leader if you can't absolutely fleece the rubes you're leading?

This is where impeachment comes in..

Those "Ordinary Joes" are not going to be visiting his Hotels and Golf courses or renting spaces in his Office buildings.

To make money off them he really only has 2 pathways.

He either starts a media company or runs for Office.

I think his ability to start a media company has been massively damaged as a result of the last few weeks - A "Trump Television Network" would be fairly toxic to a majority of advertisers , so he's left with trying some kind of subscription based web service which I think he'd see as a bit too down-market for him.
His ability to attract a user base is also going to be crippled given that he's perma-banned from all the major platforms.

Hard to see AWS signing up to host TrumpNews.com or whatever.

Running for Office would absolutely be the cash cow for him from his "base" - He collected several hundred million from his "Stop the Steal" scam in only a few months after all.

But Impeachment or the 14th Amendment potentially take that away from him.

As I've said , his pathways and access to income streams are narrowing by the day.

duploelabs

House leaders have refused the GOP senator's request to delay sending through the articles of impeachment, the trial goes ahead from monday

SlowBlowin

According to Iran's post on Twitter he is going to be killed.

The post is still there, Twitters morals obviously to not extend out side the US.:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516

partyguinness

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Which is why they'll just sell the risk on - Take a bit of a hit , but avoid the scrutiny of their processes.

So it won't be Deutsche Bank or the like foreclosing on Trump Tower , it'll be "International Repossessions Inc." or whatever.

They will want to get as much distance between them and Trump as possible , and fast..

That sounds grand in theory and would be fine with 'normal' debt but is not as easy at it sounds. I am not convinced anyone will want to take it just like that and I think Deutsche will be stuck with it for many decades to come.

The terms demanded by a buyer will so borderline evil that Deutsche may be tempted to just say "Feck it. We may as well just hang on and pocket as much as we can from the rents etc"

Because even if a willing buyer showed interest they are still back to square one and the problem with original application lodged by Trump. That still exists so the problem with calling in the debt still remains- just a different owner and they will think "Why should we take this on when there is zero chance of us getting our debt back when Trump can just sit on it and have his day in Court...and probably win".

Of course this is all speculation and the banking world is full of chancers like Trump himself so nothing would surprise me.

ohnonotgmail

SlowBlowin wrote: »

According to Iran's post on Twitter he is going to be killed.

The post is still there, Twitters morals obviously to not extend out side the US.:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-55765516

Best to read the full article before posting.

The social media giant has now suspended the account - @khamenei_site.

SlowBlowin

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Best to read the full article before posting.

I did they updated it today, its been on my screen all morning.

Thats good.

SlowBlowin

Interesting..

However, Khamenei’s office runs several accounts and the others were still working, including his main account, which he regularly uses to call for the destruction of the Jewish state.

Twitter has refused Israeli pleas to close such accounts and ban the Iranian leader’s genocidal comments, to no avail. Last year, a Twitter official told MKs those tweets did not breach its policy, since they were regarded as “saber-rattling.”

Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-account-suspended-after-tweet-of-trump-golfing-under-warplane-shadow/

osarusan

osarusan wrote: »

He'll always find a way to make money.

If he asked every person who voted for him to send him $10 so he could fight the deep state lawyers, he could make millions instantly.

He already did that

ohnonotgmail

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Interesting..

However, Khamenei’s office runs several accounts and the others were still working, including his main account, which he regularly uses to call for the destruction of the Jewish state.

Twitter has refused Israeli pleas to close such accounts and ban the Iranian leader’s genocidal comments, to no avail. Last year, a Twitter official told MKs those tweets did not breach its policy, since they were regarded as “saber-rattling.”

Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-account-suspended-after-tweet-of-trump-golfing-under-warplane-shadow/

probably to start a separate thread. what is the relevancy to what trump does now?

Tell me how

osarusan wrote: »

He'll always find a way to make money.

If he asked every person who voted for him to send him $10 so he could fight the deep state lawyers, he could make millions instantly.

DubInMeath wrote: »

He already did that

While simultaneously bit*hing and moaning about 'the socialists'.

That lady Jenna Ryan did the same thing. Flew to Washington talking on Twitter about fighting to ensure the democrats didn't steal the election. Catalogued every move she made on social media. Begged Trump for a pardon, and now is asking for donations to fight her legal battles.

Leroy42

DubInMeath wrote: »

He already did that

And there is no hope of him being able to raise anywhere close to the same funds again.

Part of the rationale for people sending funding was they were of the belief that the court cases could turn the election result around.

But Trump is now gone, Biden is sworn in. There is little reason to continue to send him money.

I don't for a second think that some people won't, just nothing of the levels previously.

Leroy42

Tell me how wrote: »

While simultaneously bit*hing and moaning about 'the socialists'.

That lady Jenna Ryan did the same thing. Flew to Washington talking on Twitter about fighting to ensure the democrats didn't steal the election. Catalogued every move she made on social media. Begged Trump for a pardon, and now is asking for donations to fight her legal battles.

And it still doesn't seem to have dawned on them that in their fight to save the country from socialism, they are looking for society to help with their issues.

There is a name for when a society helps people requiring assistance, not sure what it is though!

Tell me how

Leroy42 wrote: »

And it still doesn't seem to have dawned on them that in their fight to save the country from socialism, they are looking for society to help with their issues.

There is a name for when a society helps people requiring assistance, not sure what it is though!

Yeah that's my point.

Similarly, they give out about migrant workers coming in and displacing jobs. But if a Democrat wants to advocate for stronger unions to provide job and wage security, the conservatives lose their sh*t over such an ideal.

partyguinness

Leroy42 wrote: »

And it still doesn't seem to have dawned on them that in their fight to save the country from socialism, they are looking for society to help with their issues.

There is a name for when a society helps people requiring assistance, not sure what it is though!

It has often been commented on that the GOP's biggest fanbase particularly in the deep south suffer the most deprivation as a direct result of GOP's policies. They don't seem to mind or know any better more like.

Leroy42

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah that's my point.

Sorry , I just got that.

nigeldaniel

I have in inking that Trump might start his own 24/7 news channel which will put Fox in the shade. He loves TV and it will suit him to present his own programs in what ever vain he likes.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

SlowBlowin wrote: »

Interesting..

However, Khamenei’s office runs several accounts and the others were still working, including his main account, which he regularly uses to call for the destruction of the Jewish state.

Twitter has refused Israeli pleas to close such accounts and ban the Iranian leader’s genocidal comments, to no avail. Last year, a Twitter official told MKs those tweets did not breach its policy, since they were regarded as “saber-rattling.”

Source: https://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-account-suspended-after-tweet-of-trump-golfing-under-warplane-shadow/

Twitter can ban whoever they want. Their platform, their rules.

Tell me how

nigeldaniel wrote: »

I have in inking that Trump might start his own 24/7 news channel which will put Fox in the shade. He loves TV and it will suit him to present his own programs in what ever vain he likes.

Can't see him getting funding for anything like what it would take to put Fox in the shade.

Newsmax and OAN already cater almost exclusively to the type of people who would appeal to a Trump outfit. Maybe we will see him getting involved with one of them seeing as he probably burned his bridges with Fox before he left office.

Timberrrrrrrr

Tell me how wrote: »

Can't see him getting funding for anything like what it would take to put Fox in the shade.

Newsmax and OAN already cater almost exclusively to the type of people who would appeal to a Trump outfit. Maybe we will see him getting involved with one of them seeing as he probably burned his bridges with Fox before he left office.

No way Trump goes up against Murdoch directly, Trumps net worth is Murdoch's walking around money.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No way Trump goes up against Murdoch directly, Trumps net worth is Murdoch's walking around money.

Plus Murdoch would dominate him - he's a far more shrewd businessman than Trump is.

Tell me how

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No way Trump goes up against Murdoch directly, Trumps net worth is Murdoch's walking around money.

Not to mention the sizeable gap in business acumen when it comes to running such large outfits.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Plus Murdoch would dominate him - he's a far more shrewd businessman than Trump is.

trump would have a ready made audience,who literally have a weird religious type adoration of him

At 20 to 40 dollar a pop for subs,and on a decent streaming platform,he could likely moniterise it for relatively low inputs

His supporters have shown an willingness to use alternative to main stream platforms for their content (parler,gab etc etc)


Every second society-concious celeb has a podcast/stream nowadays,theres no reason he couldnt run a v.successful version himself......

wheter at 74 (or whatever age he is!!) he'd bother is another qs,but dismissing it out of hand,on basis of disliking him,is surely a bit unwise??

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Deleted User wrote: »

trump would have a ready made audience,who literally have a weird religious type adoration of him

At 20 to 40 dollar a pop for subs,and on a decent streaming platform,he could likely moniterise it for relatively low inputs

His supporters have shown an willingness to use alternative to main stream platforms for their content (parler,gab etc etc)


Every second society-concious celeb has a podcast/stream nowadays,theres no reason he couldnt run a v.successful version himself......

wheter at 74 (or whatever age he is!!) he'd bother is another qs,but dismissing it out of hand,on basis of disliking him,is surely a bit unwise??

So basically, he'll become a youtube blogger? Murdoch must be shaking in his boots!

everlast75

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1352715158158774273?s=19

I can almost see Donny's tiny hands clenched up in a fist.



By the by, I am starting to think there may be a conviction in the Senate.

Without twitter, Donny is completely neutered. I can imagine a lot of Reps waking up wondering why the **** he had them quaking in their boots.

I bet McConnell senses blood in the water. Here's his chance to finish trump off.