What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

ohnonotgmail

everlast75 wrote: »

Oh yes, his new platform would be full of quality material... material like... this????

https://twitter.com/Olivianuzzi/status/1387095817861881856?s=19

He sounds like the drunk in a bar you hope doesn't come near you.

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He sounds like the drunk in a bar you hope doesn't come near you.

That drunk in a bar that some would go storm the capitol for.

ohnonotgmail

Overheal wrote: »

That drunk in a bar that some would go storm the capitol for.

idiots be idioting

briany

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He sounds like the drunk in a bar you hope doesn't come near you.

I've said it before, but if you photoshopped a half-drunk pint of Guinness onto the podiums that Trump made his speeches from, that would have given them bit more of a fitting and forgiving context. Just an auld lad talking shíte up the bar. Instead we have to deal with the fact that Trump is teetotal and his speeches come from a place that's half toxic narcissism and half PT Barnum.

Tell me how

briany wrote: »

His logic isn't very good, not that I would expect his logic to be otherwise. This is just some preaching to the choir, bar-stool commentary, i.e. "Y'know what? If they did less pandering to the liberals, the Oscars would have better ratings.", ignoring the ongoing pandemic and its hampering the ability to put on the kind of big glitzy gala people are used to tuning into.

Nielsen ratings are about as relevant in determining public engagement these days as counting blacksmiths to determine road traffic.

Overheal

Tell me how wrote: »

Nielsen ratings are about as relevant in determining public engagement these days as counting blacksmiths to determine road traffic.

Hey, Nielson still gave me $20 alright. Square bunch of lads

Though I don't think I'm a 'Nielson House' having indicated I don't operate cable or OTA television.

ohnonotgmail

briany wrote: »

I've said it before, but if you photoshopped a half-drunk pint of Guinness onto the podiums that Trump made his speeches from, that would have given them bit more of a fitting and forgiving context. Just an auld lad talking shíte up the bar. Instead we have to deal with the fact that Trump is teetotal and his speeches come from a place that's half toxic narcissism and half PT Barnum.

well there is no alcohol involved but other stimulants* are available.



* Yes, I know alcohol is actually a depressant.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

He sounds like the drunk in a bar you hope doesn't come near you.

Funny you should say that

everlast75

If you're a lawyer for Trump, you probably should expect this to happen to you someday...

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1387438895487504396?s=20

briany

everlast75 wrote: »

If you're a lawyer for Trump, you probably should expect this to happen to you someday...

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1387438895487504396?s=20

Luckily for Rudy, the only electronics he knows how to use are his hearing aid and Casio wristwatch with broken moon phase tracker.

Cody montana

everlast75 wrote: »

If you're a lawyer for Trump, you probably should expect this to happen to you someday...

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1387438895487504396?s=20

From hero of 9/11 to this.

Overheal

Oh Rudy's immediate future wasn't kind to him today.

Feds just executed a search warrant at his Manhattan residence.

everlast75

Well well well...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1387442741290831873?s=19

Tell me how

everlast75 wrote: »

Well well well...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1387442741290831873?s=19

If they find anything with the forewarning that that type of stuff would have given him than it's another sign as to just how amateurish he is these days.

Overheal

everlast75 wrote: »

Well well well...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1387442741290831873?s=19

If they were aware of it and fighting it, I'm not hopeful they will recover anything. Hard to prove evidence was destroyed without evidence or evidence of its destruction. Plenty of time to mop the floors etc.

Yeah_Right

Overheal wrote: »

If they were aware of it and fighting it, I'm not hopeful they will recover anything. Hard to prove evidence was destroyed without evidence or evidence of its destruction. Plenty of time to mop the floors etc.

Just remember the Four Seasons. There is a very real chance he hasn't covered his tracks that well.

everlast75

But wait.... there's more!

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1387477505150525451?s=20

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

But wait.... there's more!

https://twitter.com/maggieNYT/status/1387477505150525451?s=20

Ctrl+c ctrl+v for the article?

everlast75

duploelabs wrote: »

Ctrl+c ctrl+v for the article?

Federal investigators in Manhattan executed search warrants early Wednesday at the home and office of Rudolph W. Giuliani, the former New York City mayor who became President Donald J. Trump’s personal lawyer, stepping up a criminal investigation into Mr. Giuliani’s dealings in Ukraine, three people with knowledge of the investigation said.

The investigators seized Mr. Giuliani’s electronic devices and searched his Madison Avenue apartment and his Park Avenue office at about 6 a.m., two of the people said.

The execution of search warrants is an extraordinary action for prosecutors to take against a lawyer, let alone a lawyer for a former president. It was a major development in the long-running investigation into Mr. Giuliani and a remarkable moment in his long arc as a public figure.

As mayor, Mr. Giuliani won national recognition for steering New York through the dark days after the Sept. 11 attacks, and earlier in his career, he led the same U.S. attorney’s office in Manhattan that is investigating him now, earning a reputation as a hard-charging prosecutor who took on organized crime and corrupt politicians.

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In recent years, however, his image has been sullied by his effort to help Mr. Trump to dig up dirt in Ukraine on President Biden’s son and Mr. Trump’s repeated attempts in court to overturn the results of the 2020 election with baseless claims of widespread fraud.

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Mr. Giuliani’s lawyer, Robert J. Costello, called the searches unnecessary because his client had offered to answer prosecutors’s questions, except those regarding Mr. Giuliani’s privileged communications with the former president.

“What they did today was legal thuggery,” Mr. Costello said. “Why would you do this to anyone, let alone someone who was the associate attorney general, United States attorney, the mayor of New York City and the personal lawyer to the 45th president of the United States.”

F.B.I. agents on Wednesday morning also executed a search warrant at the Washington-area home of Victoria Toensing, a lawyer close to Mr. Giuliani who had dealings with several Ukrainians involved in seeking negative information on the Bidens, according to people with knowledge of that warrant, which sought her phone.

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Ms. Toensing, a former federal prosecutor and senior Justice Department official, has also represented Dmitry Firtash, a Ukrainian oligarch under indictment in the United States whose help Mr. Giuliani sought.

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Federal investigators executed search warrants early Wednesday at Mr. Giuliani’s home and office, both on the East Side of Manhattan.Credit...Jeenah Moon for The New York Times

The federal authorities have largely focused on whether Mr. Giuliani illegally lobbied the Trump administration in 2019 on behalf of Ukrainian officials and oligarchs, who at the time were helping Mr. Giuliani search for damaging information on Mr. Trump’s political rivals, including Mr. Biden, who was then a leading contender for the Democratic presidential nomination.

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The United States attorney’s office in Manhattan and the F.B.I. had sought for months to secure search warrants for Mr. Giuliani’s phones and electronic devices.

Under Mr. Trump, senior political appointees in the Justice Department repeatedly sought to block such a warrant, The New York Times reported, slowing the investigation as it was gaining momentum last year. After Merrick B. Garland was confirmed as Mr. Biden’s attorney general, the Justice Department lifted its objection to the search.

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While the warrants are not an explicit accusation of wrongdoing against Mr. Giuliani, their execution shows that the investigation has entered an aggressive new phase. To obtain a search warrant, investigators must persuade a judge they have sufficient reason to believe that a crime was committed and that the search would turn up evidence of the crime.

Spokesmen for the F.B.I. and the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment.

The investigation of Mr. Giuliani grew out of a case against two Soviet-born men who aided his mission in Ukraine to unearth damaging information about Mr. Biden and his son Hunter, who was on the board of an energy company there. Prosecutors charged the men, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, with unrelated crimes in 2019 and a trial is scheduled for October.

While investigating Mr. Giuliani, prosecutors have examined, among other things, his potential business dealings in Ukraine and his role in pushing the Trump administration to oust the American ambassador to the country, a subject of testimony at Mr. Trump’s first impeachment trial.

As he was pressuring Ukrainian officials to investigate the Bidens, Mr. Giuliani became fixated on removing the ambassador, Marie L. Yovanovitch, whom he saw as an obstacle to his efforts. At the urging of Mr. Giuliani and other Republicans, Mr. Trump ultimately ousted Ms. Yovanovitch.

As part of the investigation into Mr. Giuliani, prosecutors have explored whether he was working not only for Mr. Trump, but also for Ukrainian officials or businesses who wanted the ambassador to be dismissed for their own reasons, according to people briefed on the matter.

Under the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, it is a federal crime to try to influence or lobby the United States government at the request or direction of a foreign official without disclosing it to the Justice Department.

Prosecutors have scrutinized Mr. Giuliani’s dealings with Yuriy Lutsenko, one of the officials who helped Mr. Giuliani and his associates in their efforts to tar Mr. Biden while also urging them to work to get the ambassador removed.

Among other things, prosecutors have examined discussions that Mr. Giuliani had about taking on hundreds of thousands of dollars in apparently unrelated consulting business from Mr. Lutsenko, which resulted in a draft retainer agreement that was never executed.

Mr. Giuliani has said he turned down the deal, which would have involved helping the Ukrainian government recover money it believed had been stolen and stashed overseas.

As the investigation heated up last summer, prosecutors and F.B.I. agents in Manhattan were preparing to seek search warrants for Mr. Giuliani’s records related to his efforts to remove the ambassador, but they first had to notify Justice Department officials in Washington, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

Federal prosecutors must consult Justice Department officials in Washington about search warrants involving lawyers because of concerns that they might obtain confidential communications with clients. The proposed warrants for Mr. Giuliani were particularly sensitive because Mr. Trump was his most prominent client.

Career Justice Department officials in Washington largely supported the search warrants, but senior officials raised concerns that they would be issued too close to the election, the people with knowledge of the matter said.

Under longstanding practice, the Justice Department generally tries to avoid taking aggressive investigative actions within 60 days of an election if those actions could affect the outcome of the vote.

The prosecutors in Manhattan tried again after the election, but political appointees in Mr. Trump’s Justice Department sought once more to block the warrants, the people with knowledge of the matter said. At the time, Mr. Trump was still contesting the election results in several states, a legal effort that Mr. Giuliani led, those officials noted.

Wednesday was not the first time that a personal lawyer for Mr. Trump was the subject of multiple search warrants. In 2018, the F.B.I. searched the offices of Mr. Trump’s previous personal lawyer, Michael D. Cohen, who later pleaded guilty to campaign finance and financial crimes. Mr. Trump called that raid a “disgraceful situation” and an “attack on our country in a true sense

Overheal

I think when your attorney, your zealous advocate's best line is “Why would you do this to anyone, let alone someone who was the associate attorney general, United States attorney, the mayor of New York City and the personal lawyer to the 45th president of the United States," that you've basically been goosed. Basically trying to argue his client is too privileged to be beneath the law.

B!gD0g543

mcmoustache wrote: »

That happened several times though.


*Trump says something stupid


Trump fans: It was clearly a joke.


Trump: I was deadly serious.


Trump fans: CNN is shít

LOL It is a fact that the thought process of a lot of Trump supporters was exactly this one. Hope he's not a candidate in 4 years...

B!gD0g543

mcmoustache wrote: »

Ah the memories. All the "What he meant was" and "He didn't literally say to drink bleach" posts were fun.

Yep. It is a fact that a lot of MAGAs wanted to downplay every stupidity Trump said during his administration.

Overheal

THE Four Seasons is milking the publicity

https://twitter.com/therealfstl1992/status/1387453573290766349?s=20

extra gravy

Overheal wrote: »

THE Four Seasons is milking the publicity

https://twitter.com/therealfstl1992/status/1387453573290766349?s=20

It says in the comments that they're making a documentary about that day. I really hope it's true

Overheal

Rudy announced attention toward his radio show in prima facie response to the development that he is under criminal investigation:

“Tune in to http://WABCradio.com at 3 PM EST for a live statement from Rudy Giuliani.”

However this was shortly thereafter deleted, and the radio program ran with a fill-in who made no mention of Giuliani:

https://twitter.com/TheBradMielke/status/1387484873087127555?s=20

Looks like the radio syndicate pulled the ripcord on that one.

ohnonotgmail

Overheal wrote: »

Rudy announced attention toward his radio show in prima facie response to the development that he is under criminal investigation:

“Tune in to http://WABCradio.com at 3 PM EST for a live statement from Rudy Giuliani.”

However this was shortly thereafter deleted, and the radio program ran with a fill-in who made no mention of Giuliani:

https://twitter.com/TheBradMielke/status/1387484873087127555?s=20

Looks like the radio syndicate pulled the ripcord on that one.

The Trump stink has become too much for them. Its a smell that doesn't wash off

newhouse87

Smee_Again wrote: »

This is funny. The Democratic Party can't be the moderate conservative party because they have members who are further to the left, but the Republican Party can be the moderate conservative party despite having more members who could be described as far right.

Well, its good to see the one consistent thing about Trump supporters hasn't changed. Their complete lack of consistency.

Going by your flawed logic, no party can be defined as anything so. Oh that old childish trump supporter dig at somebody who doesn't agree with everything i say, but its what i expect from alot on here. Please show me one post which shows i am a trump supporter.

Smee_Again

newhouse87 wrote: »

Going by your flawed logic, no party can be defined as anything so. Oh that old childish trump supporter dig at somebody who doesn't agree with everything i say, but its what i expect from alot on here. Please show me one post which shows i am a trump supporter.

Pointing out the flaws in your own logic.

Priceless.

newhouse87

Smee_Again wrote: »

Pointing out the flaws in your own logic.

Priceless.

Can you read? Where did i say the republican party was moderate conservative? I said i was a moderate conservative.. You are comparing things to which i never said. You can retract your comment and that's fair enough but you misrepresented my point and position.

Tell me how

newhouse87 wrote: »

Going by your flawed logic, no party can be defined as anything so. Oh that old childish trump supporter dig at somebody who doesn't agree with everything i say, but its what i expect from alot on here. Please show me one post which shows i am a trump supporter.

Just glanced at your 200+ posts in current affairs on here. On topics relating to BLM, gun control in the US, anything which might be considered liberal or progressive, you have strikingly similar views to those expressed by many people who are openly fans of his.

So, you tell us? Are you a Trump supporter or do you think he was a bad President in contrast to what the 74M who voted for him think and who have similar views to you on everything else?