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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*
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CatalogJinx wrote: »I've been a longtime follower of this thread but am getting increasingly pessimistic at any real relaxation of restrictions anytime soon.
I'm a public servant in my 20's, able to wfh, increments coming in and saving loads with no travelling to and from work etc.
However my life is completely on hold, no chance of socialising/meeting a man/holidays/seeing family (they think it's the apocalypse) etc etc etc. I can only imagine what it's like for people who don't have the working conditions that I do.
Part of the problem is that a lot of people (this is anecdotal of course and just the people I work with) are delighted with what's going on as theyre all permanent like me and working from home and in the age bracket of late 30s to mid 50's. Suits them down to the ground being at home all the time with the kids and going for walks etc. A lot are saying they are going to take a 'wait and see approach' with the vaccine too. Probably frightened they might be encouraged back to the clinic if they take it. I dread listening to them on our zoom meetings, I despair when I hear it.
Final point, if we keep using daily case numbers as the metric for everything we are well and truly fecked. As far as I can see the vaccine (which I'll take) doesn't fully prevent transmission so what's the end game? People are still going to catch it and pass it on from my understanding and we'll keep getting the numbers delivered to us with the Angelus everyday.
that was cathartic
That is a great first post. the endgame as far as I can see are mass protests that are currently happening in Europe. You ll ask how will this affect us as we Irish never protest - true, but other EU countries will relax restrictions not to cause riots and we ultimately, sheepishly will follow.
If any1 is naive enough to think vaccines will magically bring back 2019 and earlier normality - oh boy you are in for a disappointment. Only a matter of time before the glorious health authorities on full pay announce "there is another, Zimbabwean variant of covid that unfortunately bypasses vaccines" "time to get back into lockdown until we can develop a new vaccine" "clap for HSE"0 -
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CatalogJinx wrote: »
Part of the problem is that a lot of people (this is anecdotal of course and just the people I work with) are delighted with what's going on as theyre all permanent like me and working from home and in the age bracket of late 30s to mid 50's. Suits them down to the ground being at home all the time with the kids and going for walks etc.
Delighted to be at home trying to work and homeschool?
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CatalogJinx wrote: »As far as I can see the vaccine (which I'll take) doesn't fully prevent transmission so what's the end game? People are still going to catch it and pass it on from my understanding and we'll keep getting the numbers delivered to us with the Angelus everyday.
that was cathartic
At the risk of sounding like a patronizing d1ckhead, that's not what a vaccine does, it doesn't stop transmission.
The vaccine provides the person who receives it a level of acquired immunity.
It doesn't stop transmission.0 -
Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
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Ehhh. Damn. :S
10 years later .... just a few more months :eek::mad:0 -
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Deleted User wrote: »This lie is daily at this stage.
Any potential issues in the test is comprehensively dealt with in HSPC guidance.
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/outbreakmanagementguidance/PCR%20weak%20results%20guidance.pdf
Ugh, below is from your link
2. PCR as a diagnostic methodology is exquisitely sensitive, capable under conditions of
optimal sample quality of detecting fewer than 10 copies of viral RNA in a clinical sample
3. However, PCR does not distinguish between viable virus and non-infectious RNA.
4. In individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2, PCR can often detect viral RNA for many days
and weeks after the resolution of the clinical syndrome.
6. A very good PCR assay with a specificity of 99.5% can still generate 5 ‘RNA detected’
results in a cohort of 1000 individuals without the infection
PCR doesnt seem to be any good? But we base lockdown decisions on it?
I can see why Belgium & Portugal discontinued this PCR carry on0 -
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Ginger n Lemon wrote: »Ugh, below is from your link
2. PCR as a diagnostic methodology is exquisitely sensitive, capable under conditions of
optimal sample quality of detecting fewer than 10 copies of viral RNA in a clinical sample
3. However, PCR does not distinguish between viable virus and non-infectious RNA.
4. In individuals infected with SARS-CoV-2, PCR can often detect viral RNA for many days
and weeks after the resolution of the clinical syndrome.
6. A very good PCR assay with a specificity of 99.5% can still generate 5 ‘RNA detected’
results in a cohort of 1000 individuals without the infection
PCR doesnt seem to be any good? But we base lockdown decisions on it?
I can see why Belgium & Portugal discontinued this PCR carry on
You are great at not reading anything which doesnt confirm your bias.
Just on asymptomatic casesWith respect to people asymptomatic people with no previous diagnosis of COVID-19 he
following outlines a general approach that may be adopted in most cases:
1. When a positive result is obtained on a person understood at the time of testing to be
asymptomatic, it is important to establish if they had relevant symptoms either in the
recent past, or if they have developed symptoms since the test was taken.
2. If they have developed relevant symptoms since the test was taken they should
generally be regarded as a recent onset infectious case.
3. If they report relevant symptoms with a date of onset in the 10 days prior to testing, they
should generally be regarded as a recent onset infectious cases.
4. If they report relevant symptoms with a date of onset of more than 10 days prior to the
test OR if they report no symptoms at any time, the following approach is appropriate:
a. If the Ct value is high, but not very high they should be provisionally managed as
an infectious case (with self-isolation, notification and contact tracing) pending
further evaluation.
b. If the Ct value is very high they should be advised to self-isolate, but notification
and initiation of contact tracing may await the outcome of further evaluation or
change in the clinical condition.
5. Further evaluation must include a repeat test on the second day after the initial test (for
example, if the initial test was taken on Monday the repeat test should be taken on
HSE Health Protection Surveillance Centre www.hpsc.ie Page 8 of 10
Wednesday). Ideally the second test should be performed on the same platform as the
initial test.
a. If the Ct value remains in the high or very high range on second day after the
initial test the person may generally be considered as a remotely acquired
infection and non-infectious at the time of testing. If contact tracing was initiated
(high Ct value) it can be stood down and the person need no longer self-isolate
b. If the Ct value has fallen below the high /very high range on repeat testing they
should be regarded as a recent onset infectious case.
c. In the event of a major change in Ct value within the high to very high range (for
example Ct value changes from 39 to 31 it may be appropriate to take a further
test 2 days later.
6. The person should also be asked to contact their doctor (or a dedicated phone number
in the service where they work in the context of a healthcare worker) immediately if they
develop new relevant symptoms at any time during the period of further evaluation:
a. If the person develops relevant symptoms at any time during the period of further
evaluation they should be treated as a recent onset infectious case.
That's just a portion of the document which addresses all concerns raised about the test method0
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