Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VIII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hynesie08

fin12 wrote: »

Tracy Chapmans song revolution is as relevant today as it was when she wrote it.

Heard that song on the radio the other day, a Denis o brien channel no less.

Amazing considering the massive media censorship you allege.......

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

NPHET was formed prior to the 2020 election.

TH was the CMO prior to NPHET being formed and was always going to have the lead position in any pandemic response. Or maybe it should have been Micheal McNamara?

*a few of the denizens of this thread advocate continued lockdown of the over 70's so they can visit the gym guilt free

OK cool...what plans had they in place in case of a pandemic?

hamburgham

RobitTV wrote: »

Virgin News: Gardai confirm DPP is seeking prosecution for four people in relation to Golfgate dinner in August 2020 - understood to include Galway West independent TD Noel Grealish, then-captain of Oireachtas Golf Society, and its president ex-FF TD Donie Cassidy

Of all the things TDs could have been prosecuted for over the years, this is what they decide to pursue. This actually is political policing. Also wondering what it will distract from.

hynesie08

hynesie08 wrote: »

Heard that song on the radio the other day, a Denis o brien channel no less.

Amazing considering the massive media censorship you allege.......

Careful there on that rust while you're scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for an argument.

Strawman much?

"Playing Tracy Chapman on DOB radio means that there isn't one-sided reporting around Covid 19 in Ireland."

Good lord :pac:

weldoninhio

Hellrazer wrote: »

This is only optics. Not one of these people will face any penalties for Golfgate.

I can see the conversation with Drew Harris and Micheal -

Drew Harris or Micheal Martin have nothing to do with the DPP or the courts.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

OK cool...what plans had they in place in case of a pandemic?

Formed prior to the election, in response to the pandemic, less than 5 weeks before the first case here. These facts are easily accessible

CalamariFritti

JRant wrote: »

Just on the pandemic response. NPHET were created by Leo's department at the last minute to lead the charge. I always thought the Government task force on Emergency planning would have done a far better job. They had the inter-departmental experience, Garda/HSE/Government departments with previous knowledge of responding to large scale events.

I dont think thats true. NPHET existed before covid as far as I know.

Edit: Never mind, I take that back.

aziz

hamburgham wrote: »

Of all the things TDs could have been prosecuted for over the years, this is what they decide to pursue. This actually is political policing. Also wondering what it will distract from.

Leo “quick,look over there”

johndanielmoore

DessieJames wrote: »

yeah the likes of Zara King springs to mind, stands there every evening reading out case numbers, not once has she ever remeotely asked NPHET any sort of hard questions, so yeah i think your right here.

Zara King is there to waste time asking stupid questions. A useful idiot.

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

Formed prior to the election, in response to the pandemic, less than 5 weeks before the first case here. These facts are easily accessible

You are being your typical self here Raind...the point still stands...he was appointed by an outgoing government.

So, I'm guessing the Health Service had no plans for a pandemic then!

aziz

johndanielmoore wrote: »

Zara King is there to waste time asking stupid questions. A useful idiot.

Ah here,we’re coming into wedding season again,big questions have to be asked

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well you accept the importance that the over 70s need exercise and some kind of social activity, you know, being human beings and all, and you start from there!!!

Dedicated shopping days, cafes, parks, community centres ... supply them with Vit D, provide them with rapid antigen testing kits, let them go to mass which could easily be done safely....see their grand kids, treat them like the grown adults they are instead of telling them not to leave their homes!

You are beyond reasoning with if you think we have done a service to our over 70s...who should have their golden years to look forward to now many of them will never be the same again!!!

The recovery rate for those in the over 70s does not justify the cost to their quality of lives!

All well and good, but given the level of cases in the over 70's as is, how do you believe having a multiple of the number of cases in the wider community, many of whom live with over 70's, and having far more mixing would result in them being shielded?

There is a belief being expressed that there is a simple solution. That shielding is possible. The only simple solution is vaccination. Everything else is pie in the sky until the majority have been exposed / vaccinated

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

All well and good, but given the level of cases in the over 70's as is, how do you believe having a multiple of the number of cases in the wider community, many of whom live with over 70's, and having far more mixing would result in them being shielded?

There is a belief being expressed that there is a simple solution. That shielding is possible. The only simple solution is vaccination. Everything else is pie in the sky until the majority have been exposed / vaccinated

Jesus you have been completely indoctrinated!!!!!

Lock em up!!! That is your only gear.

CruelSummer

https://www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/arid-40209443.html

Why are the media focusing on golfgate when this should be the biggest news story of the day. Out of a 750 Billion Euro recovery fund, not even 1 Billion will be made available to Ireland...
What on earth are we pushing lockdowns so hard for, if we're not even going to get financial aid from Europe for doing so.

Screw Attack

Hope everyone is keeping safe and well. My dad is having his vaccination this week, he's a vulnerable person so I hope he recovers after this. I'm a bit nervous.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well you accept the importance that the over 70s need exercise and some kind of social activity, you know, being human beings and all, and you start from there!!!

Dedicated shopping days, cafes, parks, community centres ... supply them with Vit D, provide them with rapid antigen testing kits, let them go to mass which could easily be done safely....see their grand kids, treat them like the grown adults they are instead of telling them not to leave their homes!

You are beyond reasoning with if you think we have done a service to our over 70s...who should have their golden years to look forward to now many of them will never be the same again!!!

The recovery rate for those in the over 7os does not justify the cost to their quality of lives!

So your plan to shield them is not to shield them?

Genius.

Silentcorner

Boggles wrote: »

So your idea to shield them is not to shield them?

Genius.

What is the science behind locking up the over 70s Boggles...anything in there about their state of mind? Seeing as you don't understand the word shielding!

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

You are being your typical self here Raind...the point still stands...he was appointed by an outgoing government.

So, I'm guessing the Health Service had no plans for a pandemic then!

So they would have been better doing nothing until a stable government was formed. Jesus

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Jesus you have been completely indoctrinated!!!!!

Lock em up!!! That is your only gear.

That's your assumption, because I dont share the the simplistic view that everything is easy.

What I actually believe is something completely different, is nuanced, and changes as more data emerges.

But by all means assume anyone who disagrees with you is indoctrinated and wants everyone locked up

Silentcorner

Deleted User wrote: »

So they would have been better doing nothing until a stable government was formed. Jesus

Òf course, that is not what I said.

I said the timing for us was very unfortunate politically speaking.

I NEVER said they were better doing nothing until a stable government was formed.

I'll ask you please stop misrepresenting me.

Wibbs

Screw Attack wrote: »

Hope everyone is keeping safe and well. My dad is having his vaccination this week, he's a vulnerable person so I hope he recovers after this. I'm a bit nervous.

FWIW a very aged and recently vulnerable enough relative of mine had his jab last week and is doing fine. Understandable to be worried S, but your da will be grand and then protected against this pox.

Boggles

Silentcorner wrote: »

What is the science behind locking up the over 70s Boggles...anything in there about their state of mind? Seeing as you don't understand the word shielding!

Pretending the pandemic doesn't exist and letting them go about as normal is certainly not shielding.

But for me, I don't agree with it at all, it's pie in the sky nonsense.

I would have mandated for 100% mask usage in April, so the over 70s wouldn't have to shield for the couple of months to the extent that they did.

It's worth noting the Swedes advised the over 70s to shield for over 7 months.

It is beyond cruel, I completely agree with you.

Idbatterim

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Government are just playing for time

Easier to keep everything shut than open up again

Same as last with painfully slow reopening

Yes they can borrow at low rates to keep things ticking over but you're only prolonging things

They are purposefully keeping the economy shut as they don't have the balls to go against NPHET again and don't want to get blamed

Instead they'll keep everything shut down for months on end with no plan for easing restrictions

No dates given or a metric for how restrictions would be eased

Of course the danger is that the slower they ease restrictions the more people will start ignoring restrictions

People won't spend up to 6 or 7 months not seeing friends, family, partners within and outside their own counties

You are right, how do you see this decision playing out in the medium term though? They are creating far bigger issues for themselves down the road

Analogs daughter

Silentcorner wrote: »

The list of things that aren't discussed much or at all is frightening.

Vitamin D
Seasonality
Rapid Accurate Testing (as opposed to PCR)
What did the HSE do regarding protecting residents of care home between the surges
Why the supermarket workers have been pretty much immune to Covid despite being on the front line? Have they even reported a spike in sick days?
Why wont the Health officials tolerate alternate opinions?
Did the health officials ever plan for a pandemic?
What was that preparation?

It's all just hype and fear mongering in media these days, unfortunately we are left to try to figure these things out ourselves!

Two more

1) Absolutely no reporting on the obvious link between obesity and severity of Covid. All the under 50s I've seen hospitalised with Covid have had a high BMI but we've heard nothing from NPHET about this link.

2) The absolute proliferation of the virus at the moment amongst travellers. It's absolutely rampant in travelling communities right down the west coast and has contributed to the plateau in hospitalisations we've seen. Not a word from the media on this. Instead we get another blame the students article. Pathetic

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/students-have-highest-covid-infection-rates-after-health-workers-in-third-wave-40100677.html

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

Pretending the pandemic doesn't exist and letting them go about as normal is certainly not shielding.

But for me, I don't agree with it at all, it's pie in the sky nonsense.

I would have mandated for 100% mask usage in April, so the over 70s wouldn't have to shield for the couple of months to the extent that they did.

It's worth noting the Swedes advised the over 70s to shield for over 7 months.

It is beyond cruel, I completely agree with you.

"Letting them". Jesus.

Maybe we ought to, oh, I don't know, arm them with information and let them take their own risks, these adults with more years than you or I. Most would shield on advice. Some, possibly particularly those in poorer health, might decide that they'd rather risk Covid than spend a couple of years out of what little they may have left isolated. That should be up to them.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

FWIW a very aged and recently vulnerable enough relative of mine had his jab last week and is doing fine. Understandable to be worried S, but your da will be grand and then protected against this pox.

I have 4 relatives in the UK who've had the AstraZeneca, three of them in vulnerable groups and one a dentist (frontline worker). All a bit tired the next day, all fine now.

Patches oHoulihan

Screw Attack wrote: »

Hope everyone is keeping safe and well. My dad is having his vaccination this week, he's a vulnerable person so I hope he recovers after this. I'm a bit nervous.

I hope it goes well for him.

Patches oHoulihan

Silentcorner wrote: »

The list of things that aren't discussed much or at all is frightening.

Vitamin D
Seasonality
Rapid Accurate Testing (as opposed to PCR)
What did the HSE do regarding protecting residents of care home between the surges
Why the supermarket workers have been pretty much immune to Covid despite being on the front line? Have they even reported a spike in sick days?
Why wont the Health officials tolerate alternate opinions?
Did the health officials ever plan for a pandemic?
What was that preparation?

It's all just hype and fear mongering in media these days, unfortunately we are left to try to figure these things out ourselves!

What about Vitamin D?

Why would people in charge of care homes admit they made errors?

Whats your angle on supermarket workers?

Hype and fear mongering for what reason?

What alternatives are there then?

Did any Government plan for this?

Genuine interest in your response

Captain_Crash

Patches oHoulihan wrote: »

Did any Government plan for this?

The UK had a detailed and far reaching pandemic plan based on an influenza pandemic with a CFR of ~2.5%, ironically, absolutely none of it was followed. The US also had a plan in place, the department responsible for it had been dismantled by Trump before covid became a thing! Most EU countries also had various processes in place to deal with pandemics.

The Vit D thing is obvious by the way, the slightest bit of research would help you out there! Google is your friend!

Hellrazer

What really pisses me off is the headline tonight from our national broadcaster.

Covid death toll surpasses 4,000 as 650 cases confirmed

It should be

650 cases - the lowest in 2 months.

With all this doom and gloom we`ll never get out of lockdown!!