Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723451#Comment_121723451

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1115276/unemployment-in-europe-by-country/

Merkel destroyed the German economy. Leo had created a insane housing crisis.

Unemployment is high in many EU countries.

landofthetree

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121709346#Comment_121709346

Ireland is already robbing billions in investment from the rest of the EU with its libertarian far right corpo tax regime. The danger is if the UK or any big country in Europe does the same everywhere else will suffer.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723739#Comment_121723739

What has the housing crisis got to do with Brexit?

Plus it is rather naive to blurt out that Leo created a housing crisis. Firstly, the current problems have been growing as a result of political decisions made over the last number of decades through bad planning, councils selling off our public housing stock, etc.

However, over the last number of years we've had a rotating Taoiseach so not sure why you think it was just Leo but possibly, like Irexit, thinking things through doesn't help your agenda.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723773#Comment_121723773

How much investment has the UK taken from the EU since they voted to leave the EU?

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723773#Comment_121723773

Ireland represents around 1% of the EU in population size - you're getting slightly carried away there.

dogbert27

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723727#Comment_121723727

Wow, they're own study no less puts them back at number 1!

You have heard self praise is no praise? 😉

wexfordman2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723773#Comment_121723773

Ireland is robbing nothing from the EU via its low corp tax, any country is free to apply the same and compete on a similar basis.

We have high personal taxes here as a result,.so if anything,.Ireland is robbing from its own citizens to pay for its low corp tax rate.

Only lazy thinkers will blame the EU for this countries current woes, which are housing, taxation and poor local services, all of which are the result of our own governments doing, not the EU.

We have rip off, extortionate rent, unnafordable childcare costs, and sky high housing costs, all due to government policy, not the EU, or immigrants, which irexit types prefer to point the finger at.

Our young generation have no future in this country if they wish to house themselves, raise kids and save for retirement. Their choice is, similar to that we had in the 80's, emigrate of face a life of debt. But that again is our governments fault, no one else's, just the government that we keep electing.

A government that treats us more like economic units than citizens, the government is simply the HR and finance departments of Ireland Inc!!

Capt'n Midnight

The real fear was that the UK might reduce corporation tax. Instead they increased it.

They always had full control of non-EU immigration. Except now it's increasing. And it's likely that fewer of today's immigrants will retire back to their home country which is a future cost.

The UK still hasn't replaced their insider access to Galileo leaving them very dependent on the GPS system controlled by the US for whatever it is that made Russa, China, the EU, India and Japan all throw billions at augmenting GPS using their own launch systems.

The UK still hasn't got any significant trade deal that's better than they'd have had if they stayed in the EU. Since each EU deal benefits some EU countries more than others the UK should be in a position to cherry pick a deal that suits them rather than accept a deal that would have favoured Germany or Italy or Poland more than them.

It also leaves the EU to get better deals as they no longer have to accommodate the UK's interests which means that even if they UK gets the same deal as the EU, it's likely to be worse than they would have got inside the EU.

Brexit isn't done. It's a journey not a destination. There'll be negotiations on things like fishing, "rules of origin" percentages as times run down on the current agreements. It'll be interesting to see how the new UK rules for NI goods get on if there's significant breaches of the preceding agreements.

yagan

From the language they use around the Rwanda bill all they have left from the Brexit project is the notion that they must be free to apply laws free of any other country, which is counterproductive as every trade deal requires an arbitrator and a legal mechanism for counter claims betwixt signatories.

So essentially they're still talking about deals with other countries while simultaneously stating they won't be bound by the deals they make. They talk as if the world doesn't hear them say they'll welch on every deal they make.

landofthetree

3500 jobs lost at a Ford factory in Germany.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121741486#Comment_121741486

.and what?

Mod: I advised you a few days ago to read the charter before posting. Next time you post irrelevant nonsense, I'll be taking firm action!

peter kern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121741516#Comment_121741516

he is trying to say that ford in uk is losing 20 percent of its worfoce while ford europe is losing 15 percent of its workforce and since 20 is higher than 15 thats a brexit advantage.

Hotblack Desiato

Ford's passenger vehicle strategy in Europe is dead in the water. The only thing they make money on is Transit vans.

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752309#Comment_121752309

Are not the Transit not made in Turkey?

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121746785#Comment_121746785

No, it was the usual Irexiter dump we get on this thread. Lazy nonsense to push an agenda a blind man could see through.

Anyways, it looks like the UK's farmers are taking a leaf out of their French counterparts' book.

Farmers say there will be further French-style blockades following a slow tractor protest at Dover against low supermarket prices and cheap food imports from post-Brexit trade deals.

Around 40 tractors and other farm vehicles blocked roads around the Kent port for several hours on Friday evening by driving slowly and carrying signs with slogans such as “No More Cheap Imports”.

The Kent farmers are meeting again this week to discuss further action, and they may be joined by other campaigns fuelled by farmers’ simmering discontent.

Last October farmers in Somerset attempted to block a Morrisons distribution centre in Bridgwater under a banner that said “Proud to Farm”. Then last week about 3,000 farmers gathered in Carmarthen, Wales, to protest, with some carrying a mock coffin with a plaque reading “In memory of Welsh farming”.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2024/feb/10/uk-farmers-vow-to-mount-more-blockades-over-cheap-post-brexit-imports-and-supermarket-prices

This one baffles me. Brexiters were open about food being cheaper post-Brexit but farmers still voted for it. Moreso, they've lost their CAP and must now accept whatever the Tory party replaced it with.

Seth Brundle

In terms of the farmers protesting, Farage has tweeted a message saying (and I really don't want to link to his tweets)

It's started. Farmers are protesting in Dover tonight.

...as if he and his scam had nothing to do with the protests. The organisers are even saying that Brexit is playing a large part in their reduced incomes and therefore the protests.

Edit: typo

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752686#Comment_121752686

Istanbul yes, which is in Europe

yagan

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121757263#Comment_121757263

Britain is in Europe, but not in a customs union with the EU like turkey is.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121752699#Comment_121752699

French and British farmers protesting can't both be about Brexit though.

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121763919#Comment_121763919

The Brexiters were using the farmer protests across Europe as a stick to beat the EU.

They've gone quiet now farmers in England and Wales are protesting...

Padre_Pio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121723727#Comment_121723727

Survey carried out by the City of London.

The GFCI says New York is the largest.

PokeHerKing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121764316#Comment_121764316

Ah ok. I see the UK are also in a technical recession now.

pixelburp

As expected, Food Exports to the EU have seen a quantifiably negative impact on those businesses in the EU. In this respect you can sorta see why some narratives have pivoted towards the problem being that "Brexit wasn't done properly", as opposed to the whole enterprise being one huge socio-economic folly.

And it must be added that there are (still) some of our orange-hued brethren up North want to knowingly tether themselves to this bureaucratic albatross. Or indeed the occasional drive-by Irexiter who thinks Ireland, a country whose economic backbone is driven by the agri-food sector, would be better off outside this single market.

Food businesses sending products to the EU have had to fork out an extra £170m in export costs because of Brexit red tape, with the changes described as being “catastrophic” for some exporters.

Data shared with the Guardian shows that in the three years since leaving the single market, exporters of foods of animal origin have had to pay the sums to secure sign-offs by vets before they can send their shipments.

In the past 12 months alone, exporters have paid more than £58m. The extra costs have resulted in a sharp fall in exports, particularly among smaller producers, with the value of meat products sent to the EU down by 17% since 2019.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/21/uk-food-firms-exporting-eu-brexit-red-tape

Seth Brundle

The FT reported yesterday on how Brexit has caused a five year decline in trade volumes with 2023 showing the steepest decline (imports down 7.4% on 2018 figures & exports down 4.6%)

https://www.ft.com/content/6d044f4b-18a8-4987-b39e-804778a85747

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121842550#Comment_121842550

That is a 12% drop in trade. That is massive.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121842673#Comment_121842673

...and yet there is no outcry!

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121842975#Comment_121842975

You know that even if there were, it'd be that Brexit wasn't being done right, rather than any interrogation of the fundamental flaw in the project in the first place.

reslfj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121842673#Comment_121842673

It is NOT a 12% decline in trade. You can't meaningfully add percent change in import and percent change in output.

You have to get the total trade figures before and compare these to the total trade figures after Brexit.

The figure should be somewhere between 4.6% and 7.4%. Likely closer to 7.4% as UK imports more goods than it exports.

Lars 😀

PS! It's still very much and damaging - not least among industrial workers and consumers.

Seth Brundle

This was in Wednesday's Express rag. Compare the headline against the first line of paragraph 2...

Just shows that some of Britain's media want to continue perpetuating the lies around Brexit

Peregrinus

Well, yeah; there are two lies in the headline. The first is the one pointed to by Seth; the second is the claim that this is a "Brexit victory". The implication is that the UK can only sign the Texas memorandum of understanding because it left the EU, but the fact is that Texas has already signed similar memorandums with several countries, including France and Finland, both EU members. In fact, I gather the UK memorandum is pretty much a cut-and-paste of the Finnish memorandum.