Brexit discussion thread XIV (Please read OP before posting)

Fr Tod Umptious

According to the BBC according to The Times up coming trade talks with India will include the UK relaxing immigration rules making it easier for Indians to get visas.

Exactly what people supported Brexit for.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-59843878

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399037#Comment_118399037

Political analysts in India have said from day one that and post Brexit deal will involve the UK handing over large amounts of visas if they want to do business.

Fine bit of trolling from the French

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399037#Comment_118399037

World's largest trade bloc opens for business today. It's bigger than North America or the EU. Amazingly despite all the PR about trade deals the UK isn't part of this new bloc

"RCEP is a shallow agreement, but a sizeable one," economist Rolf Langhammer told DW, as it mostly covers manufacturing. "But it will give Asia the chance to catch up with the huge intra-regional trade that EU countries currently enjoy."

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118394982#Comment_118394982

They aren't only taking tax off beer

• “But that’s not all. From simplifying the EU’s mind-bogglingly complex beer and wine duties to proudly restoring the crown stamp on to the side of pint glasses, we’re cutting back on EU red tape and bureaucracy and restoring common sense to our rulebook.” - Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson

Simplifying the rules. Sounds like a plan.

It even sounds like EU Directive 2020/1151 "to update and clarify some of the rules of Directive 92/83/EEC that had resulted in unnecessarily burdensome administrative procedures for both tax administrations and businesses;" Which is now law in EU countries.

But crowns on glasses is the sort of extra bureaucracy and cost freedom that the people need.

Note : EE and Vodafone have introduced roaming charges today and Three will follow in May.

Seth Brundle

Note : EE and Vodafone have introduced roaming charges today and Three will follow in May.

Does this also include NI customers who pick an RoI mast?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118401117#Comment_118401117

There are no roaming charges between UK and Ireland, only mainland Europe

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118401149#Comment_118401149

Win win for us again so

Brussels Sprout

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399037#Comment_118399037

Beautiful

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jan/01/uk-shops-fear-gaps-shelves-brexit-import-rules-prices-shortages-delis

This article paints a fairly pessimistic picture about smaller EU suppliers even bothering to export to GB after the changes now and in July. Things like cheese or hams. Whereas it was do or die for GB exporters, EU exporters have a massive market to fall back on except for those that are completely centered on the British market. It sounds very difficult for the importers as well.

The disparity between GB and NI will grow considerably in 2022 if Belfast's shoppers have a more cosmopolitan experience than those in London. How does this work long-term if NI has these products? Can some warehouse in Bangor become the cheese hub of the UK, thus alleviating much of the problem for smaller businesses? Will Belfast be the new jaunt to Calais but for olives and prosciutto?

And that's just for foodstuffs that the regular person on the street will notice. I imagine small businesses will have a mare of a time if their German supplier of I don't know, a specialised suction pump, decides it isn't worth signing up to UK import rules. I seem to remember there being onerous rules in the pipeline for exporters to the UK, where they would have to sign up and deal with a lot of the headache and pay some fee up front.

Everything is just so negatively affected. A week after reading about daffodils not being picked in England because of a lack of workers, now imports are affected as well.

https://twitter.com/flirty4flowers/status/1477355713878020104

https://planthealthportal.defra.gov.uk/eu-exit-guidance/imports/list-of-goods-that-will-be-regulated-from-1-january-2022/

Seth Brundle

Pigs now worth about 3% of what they were pro-Brexit - hard to see how pig farming in the UK will be sustainable over the coming years...

https://twitter.com/LasseterRobert/status/1476974085695488008?t=L5ZmV0p8qNXykjYwuQTwrg&s=19

ancapailldorcha

It won't. Much of that isn't even to do with Brexit IMO. Rising veganism and vegetarianism means the writing's on the wall for most of the rural economy. A discussion for another thread but these things mean that there are going to have to be significant long term changes. What Brexit does is destroy the time needed for that by slashing the incomes of farmers but then, they did vote for this so I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. I come from a Unionist farming background and, were my family a few miles east of a certain irksome border, they'd have voted for this as well and then have acted surprised at the outcome.

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118401149#Comment_118401149

Long story short , it will depend on your provider and plan. The time taken to check and confirm is another cost of Brexit.

Remember these are the same UK phone companies who said there wouldn't be roaming charges, and in the case of Three your treatment depends on whether you took out a contract before October on not. Phone companies deliberately obfuscate bundles and charges to make it hard to compare like for like.

Fair use policy - Three UK's £2 a day GoRoam charge isn't being applied for Isle Of Man or ROI. (Yet.) But you are roaming within the limits of your bundle.

If you live close to the Northern Irish border, you may sometimes roam onto a Republic of Ireland network without meaning to. This is called inadvertent roaming.

Our monthly fair use limit of 12GB applies when roaming in our Go Roam in Europe destinations, which includes the Republic of Ireland. There is no extra charge for using your allowance up to the 12GB data limit. But once you’ve exceeded your data limit, you’ll be charged 0.3p/MB for the remainder of your UK allowance. There are no fair use limits for making calls or sending texts whilst roaming in a Go Roam in Europe destination.

If you believe you’re being charged for inadvertent roaming, we recommend turning your data roaming setting OFF on your device. You can simply toggle this back on next time you travel abroad.

If you are a Northern Ireland resident on a Pay As You Go tariff and believe you have been charged as a result of inadvertent roaming on the Irish border, please contact us and we can provide a refund.

If you are a Northern Ireland resident on a Pay Monthly tariff, we’ll automatically review these charges at the end of each bill cycle. Any charge corrections will always be reflected on the following months bill. You can check your My3 account to see when the next bill is issued

ancapailldorcha

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Seth Brundle

I read yesterday that there were IT issues with the software used for processing imports into the UK leading to queues of trucks in France waiting to cross the channel. Today, I see that another necessary IT systems hasn't been developed properly..

https://twitter.com/LouisHenwood/status/1478797733616046084?t=_MLTGwICuX5ZEUQhWPmD4Q&s=19

pixelburp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423616#Comment_118423616

As a web developer, I don't even immediately understand how that's possible in 2022. I guess they must have bought or ported some incredibly out of date software and repurposed it for use here. Something equivalent enough but deeply out of date. Like, you'd have to go out of your way to develop software now that was that archaic.

listermint

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425262#Comment_118425262

I'd assume this was their not as often used customs software for Non EU stuff. It was probably underfunded in its lifetime because the bulk of the traffic would have been inter EU business so small user base. And typical of various gaps they haven't filled or thought about it's here front and centre required to take on all of this new usage.

L1011

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425262#Comment_118425262

Seems the system predates Brexit but may still be ridiculously recent to be telling you to use Netscape or IE5.5 - lots of the docs seem to be dated 2012!

Sam Russell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425280#Comment_118425280

But did it have Union Jacks all over it?

Leroy42

It really is incredible that they had 5 years to prepare for this, refused an extension before taking one anyway, and this is their big deliverable!

Shows, once again, that they really haven't got a handle on what this is really all about. If they can't even plan for the customs system then there is no surprise that they haven't thought or planned for the more unfamiliar aspects of the benefits of EU membership.

These are the same people that were arguing that technology would negate the need for any border checks with NI!

20silkcut

is Netscape the browser that used to have the ship steering wheel as it’s logo?

That was familiar in like 1995/96.

BluePlanet

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425856#Comment_118425856

Yes, Netscape became FireFox

Lemming

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425280#Comment_118425280

Back around 2012 I was a software developer working on the NHS website; there was a clause that the Dept. of Health had stipulating that if the traffic for any given browser amounted to - if I recall - 2.something % or more then it required official support. That included IE6 (at the time), which we bemoaned as to who the f*ck could possibly still be using such a bag of sh1t browser in 2012, and in such numbers. To cut a long story short, we were supporting the Dept. of Health users who were all using IE6 because the departments O/S installation image was that long in the tooth ..... They eventually updated to - Win7 at the time and that corrected that little conunndrum.

So, it would not be much of a stretch to imagine that DEFRA - in their infinite state of panic - have resurrected a really old piece of software and ported it sideways, without giving the team resurrecting the software any opportunity to modernise it (I have a former colleague who worked on "Brexit" related software in a gov. dept. and his brief summary of the lie of the land was neither flattering nor confidence inspiring).

Igotadose

Must be all the money got spent on the world-class track and trace system. Wasn't it like 30bn sterling? Explains why nothing available for IT infrastructure elsewhere...

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423616#Comment_118423616

The problem with using that system is that it was to be replaced. The PEACH system will be changing to a new IT system in early 2021. You’ll be contacted to register for the new system when this happens. You should continue to use PEACH for import pre-notifications until then.

Things aren't peachy with the Goods Vehicle Movement System (GVMS) either. It's is used for all movements of goods through UK customs at ports and movement between GB and NI. Officially "GVMS is online and is working as planned."

https://www.theregister.com/2022/01/05/hauliers_gvms_problems/

It's affecting Honda. Who are masters of logistics. They expressed concern about needing 60,000 extra pieces of paperwork back in 2018. Other less prepared companies will have more problems.

BTW the plan is to replace CHIEF with CDS at the start of the 2023 tax year so the light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train.

Plans to migrate from the Customs Handling of Import and Export Freight (CHIEF) system to the Customs Declaration System (CDS), which began in 2013, had been put on hold when the UK entered the final phase of the transition period, which closed at the end of 2020. CHIEF was first introduced in 1994 and HMRC said in August last year it would be closing it on 31 March 2023 and transferring all work to the CDS from that date.

reslfj

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118425280#Comment_118425280

"Microsoft ended all support for Internet Explorer 5.5, including security updates, on December 31, 2005" /Wikipedia

It should, however, be possible to run the PEACH system on the current IE.11 version by using the compatibility mode in IE.11. I have no account and cna't check - someone?

IE.11 has end of support too,

"Microsoft announced that support for Internet Explorer 11 on editions of Windows 10 that are not in the Long-Term Servicing Channel (LTSC) will end on June 15, 2022" /Wiki

"Internet Explorer 11 will not be supported on any editions of Windows 11" /Wiki

The new MS Edge has some IE compatibility features, but no business critical systems should never be based on a backward compatibility mode. Security may well be compromised now or some time in the future.

"If it ain't broken, don't fix it" is a completely absurd position for us all, but in particular for professional applications likely to see hacking attempts.

Lars 😀

serfboard

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118423616#Comment_118423616

This reminds me of Donald Tusk's statement in 2019: "There is a special place in hell for those who promoted Brexit without even a sketch of a plan of how to carry it out safely."

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118432732#Comment_118432732

The Brexit guys reacted with apoplectic rage to that statement, but he was only stating the obvious. They triggered Article 50 and subsequently left the EU with absolutely NO plans in place for life outside the EU or Single Market. The customs facilities weren't in place, nor the infrastructure and numerous other things were not ready to go (and that is still the case even now).

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433026#Comment_118433026

They did their usual thing which was of course to gaslight and pretend that he was talking about 17.4 million Brexit voters. It was obvious who he was talking about and why.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118433095#Comment_118433095

It's always the same old tactics. Look at certain individuals who happily declare that we shouldn't refer to refugees as people and are happy to promote policy that will see them drown but are then are absolutely floored by fake shock and rage when someone makes a comment like this.

It's all part of playing up to the bullied victim complex