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    #62
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    I am amazed that so many people dont seem to realise 'free messaging apps' are not there to do you a favor, they will all seek to profit from your date in some way eventually, where do you think the value in such companies is?


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    #63
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    mariaalice wrote: »
    so what happens Telegram sell or sells its data or profits for it in some other way?

    You can read their privacy policy and decide for yourself
    "Telegram Privacy Policy" https://telegram.org/privacy


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    #64
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    You can read their privacy policy and decide for yourself
    "Telegram Privacy Policy" https://telegram.org/privacy

    For now, that is my point.


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    #65
    selephonic
    Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭selephonic


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I am amazed that so many people dont seem to realise 'free messaging apps' are not there to do you a favor, they will all seek to profit from your date in some way eventually, where do you think the value in such companies is?

    My understanding is that Signal is financed by a donation from its founder, who sold whatsapp to facebook. He's stinking rich so can afford to run a small company like signal without profit.


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    #66
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    mariaalice wrote: »
    For now, that is my point.

    Stick with SMS then so


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    #67
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    selephonic wrote: »
    My understanding is that Signal is financed by a donation from its founder, who sold whatsapp to facebook. He's stinking rich so can afford to run a small company like signal without profit.

    That could happen some philanthropist funds and runs a company forever? that never seeks to make a profit.


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    #68
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I am amazed that so many people dont seem to realise 'free messaging apps' are not there to do you a favor, they will all seek to profit from your date in some way eventually, where do you think the value in such companies is?

    Signal is a registered non-profit. Like a charity in Ireland.


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    #69
    mariaalice
    Registered Users Posts: 12,369 ✭✭✭✭mariaalice


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    Stick with SMS then so

    I have no issue with WhatApp or anyone harvesting my date, to be honest.


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    #70
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I tried a few years ago and asked family and friends to move to signal from whatsapp, no interest from any but one person, they just didn't care or couldn't be bothered, so I'm stuck with it (whatsapp).

    So what can I do?

    Same here.

    Try again now, general opinion has changed over the last few days. You may get a different response. A lot more people are on Telegram and Signal compared to last year


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    #71
    JMNolan
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I have no issue with WhatApp or anyone harvesting my date, to be honest.

    A lot of people think the same and I understand why but your data has value and is worth money and can be used against you.


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    #72
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    maccored wrote: »
    everyones stealing your data anyway

    Does anyone actually believe that going through the privacy settings actually does anything?

    All of these tech giants, know everything bout you. Everything. And you're a bit naieve if you think they don't, regardless of platform.

    Move for features, but you're kidding yourself if you think you're moving for privacy.


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    #73
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Gooey Looey wrote: »
    You can read their privacy policy and decide for yourself
    "Telegram Privacy Policy" https://telegram.org/privacy

    They are perfect for me ;-)
    For now Telegram is an excellent alternative. And the more people are going to move to it, the strongest the message to Big tech monopoly


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    #74
    CruelCoin
    Registered Users Posts: 4,468 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    JMNolan wrote: »
    your data has value and is worth money and can be used against you.

    If you don't pay for the product, you are the product


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    #75
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 7,712 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I have no issue with WhatApp or anyone harvesting my date, to be honest.

    I'd be of the same mindset. Absolutely no issue with it or them making money off it.


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    #76
    micks_address
    Registered Users Posts: 8,464 ✭✭✭micks_address


    I was wondering why a bunch of my contacts appeared on signal this week


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    #77
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    ReginaldSmythV wrote: »
    I'd be of the same mindset. Absolutely no issue with it or them making money off it.

    Giving your data to one company alone (Facebook/Instagram/WhatsApp) means giving mark Zuckerberg absolute control over data trading.
    Big tech monopoly is becoming a serious issue. Always better to maintain healthy competition for the benefit of consumers.


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    #78
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    WhatsApp users are abandoning the platform for Telegram and Signal after Mark Zuckerberg updated its privacy policies to allow WhatsApp to share its users’ data with Facebook.

    Telegram reported that 25 million people joined its service in just 72 hours, bringing its total active users to half a billion.
    Signal has also seen a huge boost in numbers.

    Are we seeing the beginning of something here?
    I have downloaded both Telegram and Signal as i also won't be accepting WhatsApp new terms and conditions.
    Maybe it's time to bring competitors into the arena

    I wonder did anyone who signed up for Telegram and Signal bother to read the Terms and Conditions on those platforms? I would have good odds not a single one did.

    Loads of stupid people in the World who think they are clever and then confirm they are very stupid.

    This was released in 2017 and is still true today. https://www.economist.com/leaders/2017/05/06/the-worlds-most-valuable-resource-is-no-longer-oil-but-data
    All of these platforms are just harvesting your information and then selling to the highest bidder. Boards would sell the information up here if it was actually worth anything


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    #79
    AnTarbh
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭AnTarbh


    Mic 1972 wrote: »
    Twitter will be next, its stocks value keep dropping.

    Twitter has turned into a cesspit.


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    #80
    YellowLead
    Registered Users Posts: 7,676 ✭✭✭YellowLead


    Given WhatsApp is owned by Facebook does it really makes a massive difference? Once Facebook bought WhatsApp this was always going to happen.


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    #81
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    JMNolan wrote: »
    A lot of people think the same and I understand why but your data has value and is worth money and can be used against you.

    How can it be used against you?


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    #82
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    Keyzer wrote: »
    The majority of people don't give a monkeys about T&C's or what Facebook are doing...

    If there is a mass migration to a different platform it'll be because of trends (most likely initiated by some vapid celebrity)...

    This specific trend however was initiated by the people, not by silly celebrities or influencers.
    People still have the power to change things when they act together


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    #83
    Mic 1972
    Registered Users Posts: 3,213 ✭✭✭Mic 1972


    YellowLead wrote: »
    Given WhatsApp is owned by Facebook does it really makes a massive difference? Once Facebook bought WhatsApp this was always going to happen.

    That's the whole point, removing power form the one company that is acting as a monopoly, and making an example for other companies who plan to do the same.
    I'm sure mark Zuckerberg didn't see this coming


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    #84
    corks finest
    Registered Users Posts: 8,629 ✭✭✭corks finest


    JasonStatham wrote: »
    I wouldn't be surprised if it goes out of fashion. These tech things come and go. Remember MySpace? Remember bebo?

    Don't know tbh think what's app is mainly a place for more mature ppl as myself and we tend to not change quickly


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    #85
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Did some of you really think this service was provided free of charge, no strings attached?

    Edit: To avoid the apparent confusion, I'm referring to the service identified in the thread title.


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    #86
    SchrodingersCat
    Registered Users Posts: 739 ✭✭✭SchrodingersCat


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did some of you really think this service was provided free of charge, no strings attached?

    Signal relies on donations, like many open source projects.


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    #87
    Gooey Looey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Gooey Looey


    mariaalice wrote: »
    I have no issue with WhatApp or anyone harvesting my date, to be honest.

    Fair enough, but you should!


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    #88
    CrazyFather1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 844 ✭✭✭CrazyFather1


    SchrodingersCat wrote: »
    Signal relies on donations, like many open source projects.

    Do you know anyone who has donated to any platform ever?


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    #89
    paw patrol
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭paw patrol


    Deleted User wrote: »
    can't people just add an extension to stop tracking?

    As for WhatsApp, a lot of people joined it as it was supposedly peer to peer encryption. If that is the case what data is FB getting. Nothing from the conversations, unless that is a lie.

    I also use telegram, which is fine as an app, and has some nice features. If everybody moved to it, I would too.


    my mate worked in whatsapp , they can't see the conversation text but do know your contacts and the groups you are a member of.


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    #90
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    SchrodingersCat wrote: »
    Signal relies on donations, like many open source projects.

    Eh, what service is in the thread title?

    Good lord...


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    #91
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users Posts: 28,680 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    CrazyFather1 wrote: »
    How can it be used against you?

    Let's say you express "unfashionable" views around say immigration, or BLM or any of the identity politics stuff. Or maybe you're just in a chat group with some who do.

    Or maybe you exchanged some naughty texts or pictures with a girl you met on Tinder. Maybe you did so while still with someone else.

    Or maybe you have an unusual fetish


    That sort of thing can really damage any hopes you night have of public office or even employment if it got into the wrong hands.


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