When will it all end?

Parachutes

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I travel all over the North West of England, sometimes have to head to Scotland or down south to London. Most of the time I will drive but when heading London or Edinburgh I tend to get the train. In years to come (especially during winter flu season) I will wear a mask and keep my distance from people when using public transport simply because I hate being sick.

Some Asian people had the right idea about mask wearing and we ignored it for decades. So technically they are right when they say masks and SD will be here for years to come but I think it will be mostly down to individual people's choices and not mandatory.

This is the sort of thinking that is down right dangerous. We all had immune systems before this!

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But she's not just any old official. She's the Head of Immunisation of Public Health England. And she also said 'I predict'. Public Health England will have an input into the review on social distancing and mask-wearing that is due to take place in England in June.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that those measures won't be in place in England and Ireland? Has anyone from NPHET said anything about them being scrapped? Anyone from the government?

Well whoever she is - she certainly has no remit in Ireland. And to me looks like just another media piece looking for clicks and selling adverts.

Do I have evidence something might not happen at some vague point in the future - Eh? No no I don't. My time machine and crystal ball are both out of action atm I'm afraid

But why the feck wouldn't they be scrapped?
The whole cabbodle will quietly disappear when vaccinations have been rolled out and the disease can be managed by annual vaccination.

And no it's not normal for pronouncements to be made here regarding someone in another country musing about masks etc at some point in the future

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Evidence to suggest that those two measures will be scrapped would put a lot of people's minds at ease.

I linked to the following article about a timeline for the lifting of all measures in Switzerland: https://www.thelocal.ch/20210326/switzerland-announces-timeline-to-end-all-covid-restrictions/

Nothing to suggest we follow the Swiss approach on healthcare matters either.

Are you just searching for any random country that you think supports your theory?

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

Leo practically tore strips off NPHET on Claire Byrne. In his typical Leo fashion right enough but it was pretty damning.
We’re still hearing about the easing around Christmas.

I was referring to a psot saying Leo and the Govt were destroyed

landofthetree

https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1375767982127906817

UK opening up. Full steam ahead. Meanwhile Ireland doesn't even have a plan. The opposition parties want an even harder lockdown.

Coillte_Bhoy

Parachutes wrote: »

2-3 years at the least. Probably a lot longer if they were to get their way.

So not permanent then, thanks for clearing that up, why on earth would the Govt (assume they are the 'they') want restrictions to last for years? Do you not think they might like to be, oh ya, know re elected?

Scotty #

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I've a hunch we're going to see a roll back of restrictions announced on Tuesday, the 5km will be dropped and you won't be just limited to your county.

Can you really see them doing this with case numbers rising?

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

What evidence is there that restrictions such as mask-wearing and social distancing, the two most problematic restrictions in Ireland, will be lifted? We have evidence from Sweden to suggest they will be in the summer: https://www.thelocal.ch/20210326/switzerland-announces-timeline-to-end-all-covid-restrictions/

Seriously? i think mask wearing is the least problematic measure

11521323

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

So not permanent then, thanks for clearing that up, why on earth would the Govt (assume they are the 'they') want restrictions to last for years? Do you not think they might like to be, oh ya, know re elected?

History has shown them that they can literally take a **** on someone's doorstep and still get their vote. They've been allowed to do whatever they want because people will keep voting for them regardless.

11521323

Scotty # wrote: »

Can you really see them doing this with case numbers rising?

They have to. They know now they're losing the public. There's more to the world than Covid cases scotty.

TonyMaloney

11521323 wrote: »

History has shown them that they can literally take a **** on someone's doorstep and still get their vote. They've been allowed to do whatever they want because people will keep voting for them regardless.

Literally?

Please tell me you have a link to this momentous occasion in Irish politics?
I can't believe I missed it.

Who was it? I bet it was Brian Cowen

11521323

11521323 wrote: »

They have to. They know now they're losing the public. There's more to the world than Covid cases scotty.

Have to lift some restrictions especially that 5km one which is ridiculous. Dont think most people are sticking to it. I can see the construction industry going back. Dont see why barbers/hairdressers/beauticians cant open too. They were safe and well managed when open

Scotty #

11521323 wrote: »

They have to. They know now they're losing the public. There's more to the world than Covid cases scotty.

If they do, and case numbers continue to rise, what then? Back into lockdown in 3-4 weeks? That'd go down worse I think.

I can't see how they can ease restrictions AND bring case numbers down. Maybe they will depend on the vaccine but are we there yet?

The intention this time in my opinion, is that any ease on restrictions are going to be final. We want to stop yoyoing. To achieve that any ease has to be slow and steady.

Using the UK constantly as the yard stick is a mistake. They've made massive blunders with their policies on handling Covid. I'm not saying their road map is another one but I'd be very cautious of following them. There's still a small chance that if we have supplies we'll actually be finished roll out before they are.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Nothing to suggest we follow the Swiss approach on healthcare matters either.

Are you just searching for any random country that you think supports your theory?

The only reason I liked to that article is to show what I mean by evidence that all restrictions will be lifted. The country just happens to be Switzerland. But that's what I mean by 'evidence that they will be lifted'. I have yet to see any evidence. No statement, no roadmap, nothing. Instead it's just posters saying 'logically there's no reason for measures post-vaccination'. I agree, but there's no evidence by way of a statement or a public pronouncement to back that up.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Well whoever she is - she certainly has no remit in Ireland. And to me looks like just another media piece looking for clicks and selling adverts.

Do I have evidence something might not happen at some vague point in the future - Eh? No no I don't. My time machine and crystal ball are both out of action atm I'm afraid

But why the feck wouldn't they be scrapped?
The whole cabbodle will quietly disappear when vaccinations have been rolled out and the disease can be managed by annual vaccination.

And no it's not normal for pronouncements to be made here regarding someone in another country musing about masks etc at some point in the future

It's reasonable to compare Ireland with its closest neighbour.

I'm not asking for a time machine. I'm asking for a statement or a pronouncement. Or a roadmap. I agree with you when you say 'why the feck wouldn't they be scrapped', but it would put a lot of people's minds at ease if there was evidence that they will be scrapped.

El_Duderino 09

Parachutes wrote: »

1 year into the 2 weeks to flatten the curve. It’s just around the corner! You’ll be eating them words I promise you.

Well, none of those are my words so...

The lockdown is coming to an end in the summer. Enjoy the fantasy of being in a tyrannical lockdown for the medium term future of it makes you happy, but don’t pretend it’s real.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, none of those are my words so...

The lockdown is coming to an end in the summer. Enjoy the fantasy of being in a tyrannical lockdown for the medium term future of it makes you happy, but don’t pretend it’s real.

Is there an official or public statement to back up 'The lockdown is coming to end in the summer'? Or is it just what you believe will happen?

SnuggyBear

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's reasonable to compare Ireland with its closest neighbour.

It's only reasonable when it's Sweden and Norway

Plumbthedepths

304 in hospital with Covid, 64 of that number in ICU. The justification for continued level 5 restrictions is disappearing fast.

SnuggyBear

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, none of those are my words so...

The lockdown is coming to an end in the summer. Enjoy the fantasy of being in a tyrannical lockdown for the medium term future of it makes you happy, but don’t pretend it’s real.

lol enjoy being on here in the winter trying to justify another lockdown.

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In the UK they extended the Coronavirus Act for another six months and can't rule out that it may be extended again. Johnson said he couldn't guarantee there wouldn't be another lockdown. Future lockdowns have been hinted at by various scientists and doctors in the UK. A precedent has been set.

What evidence is there that restrictions such as mask-wearing and social distancing, the two most problematic restrictions in Ireland, will be lifted? We have evidence from Sweden to suggest they will be in the summer: https://www.thelocal.ch/20210326/switzerland-announces-timeline-to-end-all-covid-restrictions/

But where is the evidence in Ireland? People can speculate as to when they might be scrapped, but there's no evidence, be it a statement from NPHET or from the government, that backs that up.

And there's no media or political opposition, as we know. So there won't be any pressure from the media or in Dáil Éireann to end those two restrictions.

Of course nobody can guarantee there won’t be need for lockdown. If things end up like last Christmas again in the future then there would be little opposition to restrictions or lockdown.

There’s no evidence on when SD and masks will be ended. I don’t claim to know, do you? If things go great and we reach herd immunity without major outbreaks over a winter, then I expect masks and SD will be ended. Are you suggesting they will never end or what are you suggesting?

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

At last, a clear lucid post in this thread

:pac:

El_Duderino 09

SnuggyBear wrote: »

lol enjoy being on here in the winter trying to justify another lockdown.

Depends on the circumstances. There’s a reason no sensible people objected to the lockdown after Christmas - it was necessary. If lockdown was needed for the same or similar reasons then I’d go along with it.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

304 in hospital with Covid, 64 of that number in ICU. The justification for continued level 5 restrictions is disappearing fast.

Yes, but look at this ridiculous article: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/what-level-one-would-look-23794198

Trying to compare level 1 in Ireland with life in Australia and New Zealand. The article suggests that level 1 in Ireland is comparable with life in Australia and New Zealand, particularly Australia, apart from Victoria to some extent, where there are zero domestic restrictions. Level 1 in Ireland is still heavily restricted. And there's no level 0. There is a very real possibility of mask-wearing and socially distancing being normalised to the extent that they become part of 'back to normal'. That's what Dr Ramsay believes. She says people have got used to both.

Plumbthedepths

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, but look at this ridiculous article: https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/what-level-one-would-look-23794198

Trying to compare level 1 in Ireland with life in Australia and New Zealand. The article suggests that level 1 in Ireland is comparable with life in Australia and New Zealand, particularly Australia, apart from Victoria to some extent, where there are zero domestic restrictions. Level 1 in Ireland is still heavily restricted. And there's no level 0. There is a very real possibility of mask-wearing and socially distancing being normalised to the extent that they become part of 'back to normal'. That's what Dr Ramsay believes. She says people have got used to both.

Clickbait rubbish.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Of course nobody can guarantee there won’t be need for lockdown. If things end up like last Christmas again in the future then there would be little opposition to restrictions or lockdown.

There’s no evidence on when SD and masks will be ended. I don’t claim to know, do you? If things go great and we reach herd immunity without major outbreaks over a winter, then I expect masks and SD will be ended. Are you suggesting they will never end or what are you suggesting?

I'm not suggesting they won't be scrapped. I'm saying that there's no evidence by way of a statement or a definitive end date for all measures, or at least, as is the case in Switzerland, a possible end date, that they will be. And there's no level 0 in the 'living with covid plan'.

Antics21

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Seriously? i think mask wearing is the least problematic measure

I don't mind mask wearing. If there was an insistence on mask wearing to go into Croke Park I'd wear my Tipp mask and head in. It's the social distancing meaning you can't get into the match in the first place that worries me.

Plumbthedepths

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Clickbait rubbish.

Is the description of level 1 in the article inaccurate?

Timberrrrrrrr

Parachutes wrote: »

This is the sort of thinking that is down right dangerous. We all had immune systems before this!

We did, and yet we still all caught colds/flu because other people would get on buses/trains knowing they were sick, they would then cough their guts up for the whole journey infecting anyone they ame into contact with.

What's "dangerous" about me making the conscious decision to try protect myself from inconsiderate people?

Parachutes

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

We did, and yet we still all caught colds/flu because other people would get on buses/trains knowing they were sick, they would then cough their guts up for the whole journey infecting anyone they ame into contact with.

And the world kept spinning.