When will it all end?

Parachutes

TonyMaloney wrote: »

What's the motive?

Collective mass hysteria.

Coillte_Bhoy

Parachutes wrote: »

If a year ago you had said to people we will be in and out of severe restrictions on their lives and personal liberties for the sake of a disease as mild as Covid-19 there is no way people would have accepted it. We are now in a situation where people are falling in love with their own servitude in a Stockholm syndrome on a global level.

We are like frogs being slowly cooked alive in a pot and being trained to accept any proposal from governments on a whim without question. I have no doubt that these restrictions will be permanent in the short to medium term.

Even though i totally disagree i can see your point until the last line and that show you up for what you are. it's absolutely ludicrous to suggest that these will become the norm, and its kind of scary that so many of you keep trotting out this line. By the way how can something be permanent and short term???

TonyMaloney

Parachutes wrote: »

Collective mass hysteria.

No. I mean why do you think the gov want to make these restrictions permanent?

What do they have to gain?

El_Duderino 09

Parachutes wrote: »

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We are like frogs being slowly cooked alive in a pot and being trained to accept any proposal from governments on a whim without question. I have no doubt that these restrictions will be permanent in the short to medium term.

Lads, this is paranoia. It’s a persecution fantasy. Role playing being the victim of a tyrannical state. And it’s such a safe role playing game because we’ll be coming out of lockdown in the next short while and the summer will be relatively normal.

It’s fine if you want to LARP being a North Korean peasant, but don’t pretend it’s actually happening

TonyMaloney

TonyMaloney wrote: »

No. I mean why do you think the gov want to make these restrictions permanent?

What do they have to gain?

They won’t get destroyed by the hysteria brigade if they just do nothing. So that’s what they are doing.

Leo spoke out against NPHET in October and was destroyed for doing so.

The government went against NPHET in December and were destroyed for doing so.

Unfortunately, there is still a huge number of people hysterical about Covid. I’ve seen it suggested on here that we should stay in lockdown even with zero deaths as long Covid is still a threat.

Coillte_Bhoy

Deleted User wrote: »

They won’t get destroyed by the hysteria brigade if they just do nothing. So that’s what they are doing.

Leo spoke out against NPHET in October and was destroyed for doing so.

The government went against NPHET in December and were destroyed for doing so.

Unfortunately, there is still a huge number of people hysterical about Covid. I’ve seen it suggested on here that we should stay in lockdown even with zero deaths as long Covid is still a threat.

Well now, how did i miss those major events?

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Even though i totally disagree i can see your point until the last line and that show you up for what you are. it's absolutely ludicrous to suggest that these will become the norm, and its kind of scary that so many of you keep trotting out this line. By the way how can something be permanent and short term???

So the government could very easily clarify it. They could say out straight that ALL restrictions will be dropped once people are vaccinated.

But they haven’t stated that.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lads, this is paranoia. It’s a persecution fantasy. Role playing being the victim of a tyrannical state. And it’s such a safe role playing game because we’ll be coming out of lockdown in the next short while and the summer will be relatively normal.

It’s fine if you want to LARP being a North Korean peasant, but don’t pretend it’s actually happening

Yes, 'relatively normal'. Glynn has spoken of 'a degree of normality'. Constant talk of 'a semblance of normality'.

Mary Ramsay of Public Health England predicted a few days ago that measures such as social distancing and mask wearing would be in place for a few years.

"people have got used to those lower-level restrictions now, and people can live with them ..."

These restrictions are being normalised. Sir Graham Brady warned of this happening a few days ago.

And then there's the vaccine passport to consider.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

So the government could very easily clarify it. They could say out straight that ALL restrictions will be dropped once people are vaccinated.

But they haven’t stated that.

Exactly. Something like this: https://www.thelocal.ch/20210326/switzerland-announces-timeline-to-end-all-covid-restrictions/

"Swiss authorities indicated that lifting of Covid-19 restrictions in the summer is a possibility, with all measures dropped by August."

gozunda

Seriously lads calm down. No one wants to lock anyone up forever.

There's a thing called vaccines. Might be hard to understand. But it works like this. People get vaccinated. Case numbers drop. Covid disappears into the background just like most other diseases which require annual vaccination.

So let's get people vaccinated and we can all go back to normal.

EDIT: Modsnip to remove reference to deleted post

RGS

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-air-shocking-grim-tv-23805165

I will accept this is from the Irish mirror, so caution is needed.

I see the fear and scare mongering is been built up just before the announcement on restrictions.

As usual the messaging is always on the negatives.

I now really do believe the government dont want to ease restrictions.

Coillte_Bhoy

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Well now, how did i miss those major events?

Leo practically tore strips off NPHET on Claire Byrne. In his typical Leo fashion right enough but it was pretty damning.
We’re still hearing about the easing around Christmas.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Between the Ra invading the South, boiling dogs and the Antichrist - this thread takes the whole box of biscuits.

Seriously lads calm down. No one wants to lock anyone up forever.

There's a thing called vaccines. Might be hard to understand. But it works like this. People get vaccinated. Case numbers drop. Covid disappears into the background just like most other diseases which require annual vaccination.

So let's get people vaccinated and we can all go back to normal.

But the problem is that it's not normal they're talking about but a "semblance of normality". According to Mary Ramsay of Public Health England that "semblance of normality" includes social distancing and mask-wearing.

“People have got used to those lower level restrictions now, and people can live with them, and the economy can still go on with those less severe restrictions in place.

“So I think certainly for a few years, at least until other parts of the world are as well vaccinated as we are, and the numbers have come down everywhere, that is when we may be able to go very gradually back to a more normal situation.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/phe-masks-social-distancing-could-last-years-b925384.html

And even in a few years it's only 'may be able to go very gradually back to a more normal situation'. Note 'a more normal situation' as opposed to 'back to normal'.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Between the Ra invading the South, boiling dogs and the Antichrist - this thread takes the whole box of biscuits.

Seriously lads calm down. No one wants to lock anyone up forever.

There's a thing called vaccines. Might be hard to understand. But it works like this. People get vaccinated. Case numbers drop. Covid disappears into the background just like most other diseases which require annual vaccination.

So let's get people vaccinated and we can all go back to normal.

While I agree with you, you have to admit we’re now in the deep end economically and with 71 people in ICU across the country, it can’t really be justified having the place locked down. I mean, DVDs are blocked off in supermarkets, that’s not normal.
A lot of the people who’d need those beds are vaccinated so there’s no logical reason to keep us locked up much longer. At the very least we need to know what the plan is. IF we’re all vaccinated, when, what will open when, what we can do when and I don’t think we’re going to hear too much come Tuesday. Tbh I’ll be surprised if anything changes.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But the problem is that it's not normal they're talking about but a "semblance of normality". According to Mary Ramsay of Public Health England that "semblance of normality" includes social distancing and mask-wearing.

“People have got used to those lower level restrictions now, and people can live with them, and the economy can still go on with those less severe restrictions in place.

“So I think certainly for a few years, at least until other parts of the world are as well vaccinated as we are, and the numbers have come down everywhere, that is when we may be able to go very gradually back to a more normal situation.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/phe-masks-social-distancing-could-last-years-b925384.html

And even in a few years it's only 'may be able to go very gradually back to a more normal situation'. Note 'a more normal situation' as opposed to 'back to normal'.

So some official in the UK is reported by the media as saying something and it automatically makes it all true?

She also uses the word 'Could'

"Masks and social distancing 'could' last years"

"Could" is not a statement of intent. Or a plan not to roll back restrictions as quickly as possible.

RGS

RGS wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-air-shocking-grim-tv-23805165

I will accept this is from the Irish mirror, so caution is needed.

I see the fear and scare mongering is been built up just before the announcement on restrictions.

As usual the messaging is always on the negatives.

I now really do believe the government dont want to ease restrictions.

Tony’s fear o meter must be dropping seriously low if they are resorting to this nonsense.

gozunda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tony’s fear o meter must be dropping seriously low if they are resorting to this nonsense.

Guess it will join all the other fairly awful public service adds on the impacts of drink driving, speeding etc.

Hardly groundbreaking stuff tbf.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

So some official in the UK is reported by the media as saying something and it automatically makes it all true?

She also uses the word 'Could'

"Masks and social distancing 'could' last years"

"Could" is not a statement of intent. Or a plan not to roll back restrictions as quickly as possible.

But she's not just any old official. She's the Head of Immunisation of Public Health England. And she also said 'I predict'. Public Health England will have an input into the review on social distancing and mask-wearing that is due to take place in England in June.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that those measures won't be in place in England and Ireland? Has anyone from NPHET said anything about them being scrapped? Anyone from the government?

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes, 'relatively normal'. Glynn has spoken of 'a degree of normality'. Constant talk of 'a semblance of normality'.

Mary Ramsay of Public Health England predicted a few days ago that measures such as social distancing and mask wearing would be in place for a few years.

"people have got used to those lower-level restrictions now, and people can live with them ..."

These restrictions are being normalised. Sir Graham Brady warned of this happening a few days ago.

And then there's the vaccine passport to consider.

Ok. But let’s agree that this persecution fantasy of persistent lockdown over the medium term future is just LARPing. Play acting being a poor persecuted victim of tyrannical government.

Whether will get down to zero restrictions this year is unknown and whether we’ll be restrictions free for the winter is completely unknown (not likely without herd immunity).

But masks and distancing are a million miles from the persecution fantasy some posters are talking about.

Parachutes

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Lads, this is paranoia. It’s a persecution fantasy. Role playing being the victim of a tyrannical state. And it’s such a safe role playing game because we’ll be coming out of lockdown in the next short while and the summer will be relatively normal.

It’s fine if you want to LARP being a North Korean peasant, but don’t pretend it’s actually happening

1 year into the 2 weeks to flatten the curve. It’s just around the corner! You’ll be eating them words I promise you.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. But let’s agree that this persecution fantasy of persistent lockdown over the medium term future is just LARPing. Play acting being a peer persecuted victim of tyrannical government.

Whether will get down to zero restrictions this year is unknown and whether we’ll be restrictions free for the winter is completely unknown (not likely without herd immunity).

But masks and distancing are a million miles from the persecution fantasy some posters are talking about.

In the UK they extended the Coronavirus Act for another six months and can't rule out that it may be extended again. Johnson said he couldn't guarantee there wouldn't be another lockdown. Future lockdowns have been hinted at by various scientists and doctors in the UK. A precedent has been set.

What evidence is there that restrictions such as mask-wearing and social distancing, the two most problematic restrictions in Ireland, will be lifted? We have evidence from Sweden to suggest they will be in the summer: https://www.thelocal.ch/20210326/switzerland-announces-timeline-to-end-all-covid-restrictions/

But where is the evidence in Ireland? People can speculate as to when they might be scrapped, but there's no evidence, be it a statement from NPHET or from the government, that backs that up.

And there's no media or political opposition, as we know. So there won't be any pressure from the media or in Dáil Éireann to end those two restrictions.

Parachutes

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Even though i totally disagree i can see your point until the last line and that show you up for what you are. it's absolutely ludicrous to suggest that these will become the norm, and its kind of scary that so many of you keep trotting out this line. By the way how can something be permanent and short term???

2-3 years at the least. Probably a lot longer if they were to get their way.

Parachutes

Parachutes wrote: »

2-3 years at the least. Probably a lot longer if they were to get their way.

That's the timeline Dr Mary Ramsay of Public Health England has hinted at. And even after a few years it's only a 'may get back to more normal situation'. Note 'a more normal situation' as opposed to 'back to normal'.

Lord Sumption has even suggested mask-wearing and social distancing measures could be in place for 10 years: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14470634/face-masks-social-distancing-decade-lord-gumption/

"Speaking on the Sketch Notes on a Pandemic podcast hosted by Sunday Express journalists, he said it was “politically unrealistic” to expect the Government to backtrack on social controls anytime soon.

Britons had started to take comfort in restrictions because they made them feel safe, he said.

He went on to draw parallels with the continuation of wartime food rationing after the last war.

“People were in favour of that because they were in favour of social control,” he said."

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

But she's not just any old official. She's the Head of Immunisation of Public Health England. And she also said 'I predict'. Public Health England will have an input into the review on social distancing and mask-wearing that is due to take place in England in June.

Emphasis added to highlight why it may not apply here.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Emphasis added to highlight why it may not apply here.

What happens over there tends to happen in Ireland.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

What happens over there tends to happen in Ireland.

Some times it does. Other times it doesn't.

drunkmonkey

RGS wrote: »

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/government-air-shocking-grim-tv-23805165

I will accept this is from the Irish mirror, so caution is needed.

I see the fear and scare mongering is been built up just before the announcement on restrictions.

As usual the messaging is always on the negatives.

I now really do believe the government dont want to ease restrictions.

I think this might be a good thing in a crazy kind of way, I've a hunch we're going to see a roll back of restrictions announced on Tuesday, the 5km will be dropped and you won't be just limited to your county, if they do that they'll need to scare people into taking personal responsibility, much like the road safety, smoking, drugs public service broadcasting.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Some times it does. Other times it doesn't.

Evidence to suggest that those two measures will be scrapped would put a lot of people's minds at ease.

I linked to the following article about a timeline for the lifting of all measures in Switzerland: https://www.thelocal.ch/20210326/switzerland-announces-timeline-to-end-all-covid-restrictions/

"Virginie Masserey, head of the infection control section at the Federal Office of Public Health, said at the press conference on Wednesday that if no new virus mutations emerge in the meantime, “from August there will be enough people vaccinated so that the restrictive measures are no longer necessary”."

Now there is the variation caveat, but contrast what the various people quoted in that article are saying with what Dr Mary Ramsay, Professor John Edmunds (https://twitter.com/talkradio/status/1360249040773001216), and Professor Tim Spector (https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/news/a35446348/restrictions-large-gatherings/) have all said in recent weeks and months.

And several professors in Ireland have said similar re masks and social distancing.

Timberrrrrrrr

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ok. But let’s agree that this persecution fantasy of persistent lockdown over the medium term future is just LARPing. Play acting being a peer persecuted victim of tyrannical government.

Whether will get down to zero restrictions this year is unknown and whether we’ll be restrictions free for the winter is completely unknown (not likely without herd immunity).

But masks and distancing are a million miles from the persecution fantasy some posters are talking about.

I travel all over the North West of England, sometimes have to head to Scotland or down south to London. Most of the time I will drive but when heading London or Edinburgh I tend to get the train. In years to come (especially during winter flu season) I will wear a mask and keep my distance from people when using public transport simply because I hate being sick.

Some Asian people had the right idea about mask wearing and we ignored it for decades. So technically they are right when they say masks and SD will be here for years to come but I think it will be mostly down to individual people's choices and not mandatory.

Risteard81

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I travel all over the North West of England, sometimes have to head to Scotland or down south to London. Most of the time I will drive but when heading London or Edinburgh I tend to get the train. In years to come (especially during winter flu season) I will wear a mask and keep my distance from people when using public transport simply because I hate being sick.

Some Asian people had the right idea about mask wearing and we ignored it for decades. So technically they are right when they say masks and SD will be here for years to come but I think it will be mostly down to individual people's choices and not mandatory.

They didn't "have the right idea" because they don't work.