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Connacht vs Munster, Sat 9th Jan 7:35pm, Eir/TG4

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    #272
    Buer
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    Bazzo wrote: »
    We didn't deserve to win it but we could have. Brain-dead from Boyle at the end there. Huge potential but needs to cool his jets and think with a calmer head.

    That isn't purely on Boyle. In that scenario, it's usually a move called by the leaders on the field. Marmion will be giving him a tap to pick and go or Carty will be telling them it's coming out. Marmion was calling to the back line before the put in.

    If Boyle is making a decision in that situation on the spot, Connacht have bigger problems. Given his carry was cleared by Porch immediately, makes me think they knew it was on the cards before he did it.


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    #273
    Tigerandahalf
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    Could have been a penalty try at the end there. The Munster player had his hands on that ball when a ruck was clearly formed and delayed the release. They yellow card is pretty meaningless but in truth Connacht should have been good enough to take advantage of it.

    Great contest. The players will be sore after that.
    A full team out by Munster who beat Clermont away and Connacht were missing Bundee, so not too bad. A lot of depth in Connacht now. Daly has looked very solid.


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    #274
    molloyjh
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    Was the thought process behind the pick and go to keep it closer to the posts? They needed the 7 so conversion was key. It doesn't make it the right decision, but was probably a factor in why they did it.


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    #275
    Wegians89
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    Don’t see how Boyle is responsible for that. Pick and go was on, stander was in the back line. Carty trying to get over against forwards was stupid.


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    #276
    clsmooth
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    Synode wrote: »
    Shocking decision making at the end there

    Strange decision indeed. Not a good sign if you don’t back your basic skills with an extra man overlap (was it one extra open side or did they have two with Munster down to 13?)


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    #277
    CMcsporty
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    Whatever about the very end, there was great resolve and excellent play to fight their way back into that game.

    For that alone I felt they deserved the win.
    Take a bow Jack Carty for those touch finder pens and that cross field kick.


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    #278
    SqueakyKneecap
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Don’t see how Boyle is responsible for that. Pick and go was on, stander was in the back line. Carty trying to get over against forwards was stupid.

    Agreed. Carty was gobbled up immediately. Made no sense.


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    #279
    its_phil
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    Buer wrote: »
    That isn't purely on Boyle. In that scenario, it's usually a move called by the leaders on the field. Marmion will be giving him a tap to pick and go or Carty will be telling them it's coming out. Marmion was calling to the back line before the put in.

    If Boyle is making a decision in that situation on the spot, Connacht have bigger problems. Given his carry was cleared by Porch immediately, makes me think they knew it was on the cards before he did it.

    Marmion was looking for Boyle to get his body pointing in a way that would give him the ball to pass, but it looks like the nerves hit Boyle and he picked.

    Boyle was superb, the pick to the line that got McCarthy binned was amazing support play, but he needs to start playing with his heart in the oven and his head in the freezer.

    Carty marching us 80m downfield again with the game on the line was so impressive. Think that was the solid 7/10 game we’ve been looking for


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    #280
    almostover
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Don’t see how Boyle is responsible for that. Pick and go was on, stander was in the back line. Carty trying to get over against forwards was stupid.

    No way it's the right decision regardless of who made the call. You get the try first then worry about the conversion. If the kicker misses so be it. You've given him the chance to win the game. Dont buy the Stander in the backline excuse either. He's a no.8 80+ minutes into a physical game trying to cover outside backs.

    Connacht had the chance to nab the game and had a brain fart


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    #281
    yoursaviour1989
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Don’t see how Boyle is responsible for that. Pick and go was on, stander was in the back line. Carty trying to get over against forwards was stupid.

    Did Munster have 6 in the scrum? Seems risky. Must watch it back.


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    #282
    Buer
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    Stringer has hit the nail on the head. Connacht went up the middle over and over and over against a midfield of DDA and Farrell. They were knocked back repeatedly and conceded penalties there repeatedly.

    D'Arcy with a similar train of through which I can't disagree with. They appear to play like a side that believe they're 10kg heavier up front than they are, to paraphrase. They have excellent skills and two Australian 7s internationals in the backs three. But they seem determined to win the gain line over and over in the tight exchanges.

    When you meet a quality team like a Munster first team, you'll get strangled and beaten up.


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    #283
    yerrahbah
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    Billy GOAT


    https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1348023154946535430


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    #284
    its_phil
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    Buer wrote: »
    Stringer has hit the nail on the head. Connacht went up the middle over and over and over against a midfield of DDA and Farrell. They were knocked back repeatedly and conceded penalties there repeatedly.

    D'Arcy with a similar train of through which I can't disagree with. They appear to play like a side that believe they're 10kg heavier up front than they are, to paraphrase. They have excellent skills and two Australian 7s internationals in the backs three. But they seem determined to win the gain line over and over in the tight exchanges.

    When you meet a quality team like a Munster first team, you'll get strangled and beaten up.

    But the ball wasn’t coming back quickly, you can’t get to the edges if ball is slow. When Munster were being marched back in the final minutes, Connacht hit them out wide.


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    #285
    its_phil
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    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Billy GOAT


    https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1348023154946535430

    That’s class


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    #286
    Utopia Parkway
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    yerrahbah wrote: »
    Billy GOAT


    https://twitter.com/CianTracey1/status/1348023154946535430

    Think that was a try if he had given the pass.


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    #287
    testtech05
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    its_phil wrote: »
    That’s class

    Excellent work by Holland but thought at the time Sullivan should maybe have given the pass.


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    #288
    b.gud
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    Utopia Parkway wrote: »
    Think that was a try if he had given the pass.

    I thought so too in real tim, but sometime before the tg4 player cut to an ad they showed a replay from a different angle and Haley had Wooton well covered so I don't think the pass was on


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    #289
    shootermacg
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    Connor Murray is back baby!


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    #290
    its_phil
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    testtech05 wrote: »
    Excellent work by Holland but thought at the time Sullivan should maybe have given the pass.

    Not sure think the odds were better served to have Wooton as live option but coverage was decent, touch line as a defender, and Wooton probably better used to clear out ruck. If Sullivan gives it, he’s unlikely to hit that ruck well enough to clear it out based on changing the angle he will be at from giving pass. Probably should have put the pedal down quicker though


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    #291
    testtech05
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    its_phil wrote: »
    Not sure think the odds were better served to have Wooton as live option but coverage was decent, touch line as a defender, and Wooton probably better used to clear out ruck. If Sullivan gives it, he’s unlikely to hit that ruck well enough to clear it out based on changing the angle he will be at from giving pass. Probably should have put the pedal down quicker though

    Yeah agreed on 2nd viewing cover was there but totally agree


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    #292
    Bazzo
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    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Whatever about the very end, there was great resolve and excellent play to fight their way back into that game.

    For that alone I felt they deserved the win.
    Take a bow Jack Carty for those touch finder pens and that cross field kick.
    its_phil wrote: »
    Marmion was looking for Boyle to get his body pointing in a way that would give him the ball to pass, but it looks like the nerves hit Boyle and he picked.

    Boyle was superb, the pick to the line that got McCarthy binned was amazing support play, but he needs to start playing with his heart in the oven and his head in the freezer.

    Carty marching us 80m downfield again with the game on the line was so impressive. Think that was the solid 7/10 game we’ve been looking for

    Whatever about his place kicking, his forwards know that if they win a penalty they're guaranteed 40m minimum from his touch finders. Phenomenal boot from hand.


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    #293
    Wegians89
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    Take back what I said earlier in the week, Beirne was phenomenal.


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    #294
    shootermacg
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    Wegians89 wrote: »
    Take back what I said earlier in the week, Beirne was phenomenal.

    Was wondering when that would hit home. TB is probably the form second row in Ireland. He's back to his Scarlets best. And the engine on the man is next level.


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    #295
    Akrasia
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    Beirne, Farrell CJ and DeAllende are a formidable carrying and breakdown threat. These players are all legitimate world class. Klein, POM, and the young guys like Jack o Donaghue and Coombes. There is a lot of promise


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    #296
    Arduach
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Beirne, Farrell CJ and DeAllende are a formidable carrying and breakdown threat. These players are all legitimate world class. Klein, POM, and the young guys like Jack o Donaghue and Coombes. There is a lot of promise

    Jack O'Donoghue is 27 next month..hard to believe.


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    #297
    The Lost Sheep
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    Akrasia wrote: »
    Beirne, Farrell CJ and DeAllende are a formidable carrying and breakdown threat. These players are all legitimate world class. Klein, POM, and the young guys like Jack o Donaghue and Coombes. There is a lot of promise
    wouldnt call them bar De Allende world class but agree that their carrying and breakdown work is top class.
    Jack O Donoghue turns 27 in a few weeks. He isnt one of the young guys any more.


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    #298
    nerd69
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    When snymans healthy there's the potential for an absolutely monsterous starting 15


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    #299
    leakyboots
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    Killer, Cronin, Beirne, CJ, JOD, POM, Coombes, De Allende and you could maybe include Farrell to a certain extent - all good to excellent groundhogs. Obviously Killer and Cronin won't be on at the same time (Wycherley Jr looks to be handy at it too) but that's a lot of niggle on the deck.

    Think we won 9 turnovers tonight and caused havoc at many more, that won us the game


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    #300
    ElisaAtWar
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    While Mr Murphy does wreck my head Munster were good value for their win. Not a very interesting rugby game but if your a Munster fan you woud be well used to that


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    #301
    Wegians89
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    ElisaAtWar wrote: »
    While Mr Murphy does wreck my head Munster were good value for their win. Not a very interesting rugby game but if your a Munster fan you woud be well used to that

    Munster only really ever threatened Connacht try line when delahunt was in the bin. They dominated the breakdown and Connacht never got quick ball. Was like watching the equivalent of prime mourinho teams in rugby terms.


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