Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

Stateofyou

Stateofyou wrote: »

Do you have a link for the article reporting an opening for Feb 1st? Jesus

It was mentioned on the start of that news report that "the govt remain hopeful of a Feb 1st reopening"

There's a video on rte news website "Students and parents describe challenges of homeschooling"

JDowd

No schools should re-open on the 1st of Feb to any year group, including sixth years. Cases are back on the rise and community transmission is too. Another surge would destroy the already crippled hospitals. It's an absurd proposal.

Yet can you believe Norma Foley plans on sending back 62,500 LC students along with the 10,000 necessary staff back on Monday week.

This goverment have been crying for an All-Ireland approach, perhaps they should follow NI Restrictions and keep all schools closed with the exception to SEN schools until AT LEAST mid-feb.

yrreg0850

markodaly wrote: »

Well, she may have some power, we know what would happen if she actually opened up the school without any agreement from the Unions.
The Unions would go ballistic and threaten all types of responses and actions.
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She should do as all other employers would do . Tell them return to work or, go on pandemic payment like everybody else who is not working due to covid.

wirelessdude01

yrreg0850 wrote: »

She should do as all other employers would do . Tell them return to work or, go on pandemic payment like everybody else who is not working due to covid.

Like a good person, please go inform yourself. Not that hard really.

khalessi

Did you see this Aodhan O Riordain in Dáil spoke well

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1352306715513991168?s=08

jusvi2001

So many school days were lost since last March. So when schools reopen (only when Teachers union feel it is safe to return to school) I would love to see if teachers union will agree to let go their Easter/midterm break to make up the lost school days.

wirelessdude01

jusvi2001 wrote: »

So many school days were lost since last March. So when schools reopen (only when Teachers union feel it is safe to return to school) I would love to see if teachers union will agree to let go their Easter/midterm break to make up the lost school days.

Since school restarted after Christmas can you please tell us all what schools have been "lost"?

km79

jusvi2001 wrote: »

So many school days were lost since last March. So when schools reopen (only when Teachers union feel it is safe to return to school) I would love to see if teachers union will agree to let go their Easter/midterm break to make up the lost school days.

Can we offset all the days we worked over the summer holidays to get schools ready again ?
And halloween when some staff has to go back in to rectify the latest Dept cock up in our “safe “ schools ?

khalessi

km79 wrote: »

Can we offset all the days we worked over the summer holidays to get schools ready again ?
And halloween when some staff has to go back in to rectify the latest Dept cock up in our “safe “ schools ?

And the 2 or 3 days given as extra Christmas holidays as we were working

Crocodile Booze

yrreg0850 wrote: »

She should do as all other employers would do . Tell them return to work or, go on pandemic payment like everybody else who is not working due to covid.

Brilliant!

I can categorically say that no-one else has ever thought of putting the teachers on the PUP and then posting it here or social media.

Bravo.

khalessi

yrreg0850 wrote: »

She should do as all other employers would do . Tell them return to work or, go on pandemic payment like everybody else who is not working due to covid.

https://twitter.com/ClassActionNew1/status/1351931402967797760

yrreg0850

jusvi2001 wrote: »

So many school days were lost since last March. So when schools reopen (only when Teachers union feel it is safe to return to school) I would love to see if teachers union will agree to let go their Easter/midterm break to make up the lost school days.

Not a hope in hell . When somebody suggested early on to close for January and extend school year into July there was a definite silence from teachers unions.

They do need their 8 weeks break in return for a 30 hour week the rest of the year.

mullinr2

Anyone getting the feeling that schools won't reopen till after Easter? I was hopeful that schools would be open up after February mid term break. Now with the numbers rising again Im not so sure. Its an awful lot harder this time around.

Wombatman

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Where's the contradiction?

This was explained by Ronan Glynn

"Speaking at a press briefing by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) earlier, Dr Ronan Glynn said that although there were no “zero-risk” environments, the re-opening of schools was in the best interests of children.

He explained that NPHET’s advice for people to stay at home was partly intended to allow limited sections of society to continue, and that health officials recognised that some people could not stay at home because their work would not allow them to do so."

So yes level 5 won't be lifted anytime soon but yet schools could go back in time

Schools were open during level 5 in October

It's too early for all schools to be back but maybe not limited students like special needs

This would also be true...

"Speaking at a press briefing by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) earlier, Dr Ronan Glynn said that although there were no “zero-risk” environments, the re-opening of PUBS was in the best interests of PUBLICANS.

It's just a vague statement. It means nothing.

Schooling for the most part can done remotely.

Tell me. What inherent characteristics of schools make them safer than other workplace? I would argue that they are less safe, because of their nature (large numbers, tight space, chaotic behavior).

People should cast their mind back to traditional flu season. If a household came down with it, it often could easily be traced back to someone who had it in work or school. "Ah sure little Johnny picked it up in school" like.

Why were schools one of the first places to be closed down last March by every country? Are the reasons cited to close them back then different now?

If we are hellbent on opening them earlier than most other workplaces, we should admit it is because we want to get parents back to work. Admit that we know the risk, and are going to take it anyway, just like we did at Christmas.

jrosen

Schools will return while everything else is still closed that I have no doubt on. It makes perfect sense to restrict all other non essential places of work / business’s in order to control community transmission.
When that is at this stage is anyone’s guess.

jimmytwotimes 2013

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Not a hope in hell . When somebody suggested early on to close for January and extend school year into July there was a definite silence from teachers unions.

They do need their 8 weeks break in return for a 30 hour week the rest of the year.

This isn't even good banter.

Some here have gotten far more subtle. You can't just rush in with PUP and holiday jibes and expect a reaction anymore.

Raise your game.

wirelessdude01

mullinr2 wrote: »

Anyone getting the feeling that schools won't reopen till after Easter? I was hopeful that schools would be open up after February mid term break. Now with the numbers rising again Im not so sure. Its an awful lot harder this time around.

Still think Feb 22nd will be the return date.

KrustyUCC

Wombatman wrote: »

This would also be true...

"Speaking at a press briefing by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) earlier, Dr Ronan Glynn said that although there were no “zero-risk” environments, the re-opening of PUBS was in the best interests of PUBLICANS.

It's just a vague statement. It means nothing.

Schooling for the most part can done remotely.

Tell me. What inherent characteristics of schools make them safer than other workplace? I would argue that they are less safe, because of their nature (large numbers, tight space, chaotic behavior).

People should cast their mind back to traditional flu season. If a household came down with it, it often could easily be traced back to someone who had it in work or school. "Ah sure little Johnny picked it up in school" like.

Why were schools one of the first places to be closed down last March by every country? Are the reasons cited to close them back then different now?

If we are hellbent on opening them earlier than most other workplaces, we should admit it is because we want to get parents back to work. Admit that we know the risk, and are going to take it anyway, just like we did at Christmas.

Comparing children and schools to pubs and publicans .... fair play

KrustyUCC

mullinr2 wrote: »

Anyone getting the feeling that schools won't reopen till after Easter? I was hopeful that schools would be open up after February mid term break. Now with the numbers rising again Im not so sure. Its an awful lot harder this time around.

How exactly are numbers rising again?

manofwisdom wrote: »

Seven day average is 2699 cases per day been falling for 11 days in a row. It was 5074 last Thursday.

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1352317635766136832

That would still be good progress from where we were

I don't think we'll see many schools back in February but towards the end of the month it's possible

History Queen

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm expecting at least a partial return of students before midterm.

lulublue22

yrreg0850 wrote: »

Not a hope in hell . When somebody suggested early on to close for January and extend school year into July there was a definite silence from teachers unions.

They do need their 8 weeks break in return for a 30 hour week the rest of the year.

I’m always amazed at those who complain about teachers conditions yet never actually think of retraining themselves. It’s not a closed shop it’s open to everyone - Hibernia provide an online: in person model for those who don’t wish to return to the more traditional college route. There’s nothing stopping you - plenty went back with young families / commitments.
It’s like feck this I can’t be bothered putting in the hard graft , surviving on one wage / reduced income , subbing for years going from on short term contract to another , constantly upskilling looking for that permanent job oh no not me I’ll stand on the sidelines and whinge - hours wah wah hols wah wah wah - bloody teachers wah wah . Pure Irish begrudgery at it’s finest.

Wombatman

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Comparing children and schools to pubs and publicans .... fair play

Thought it might go over your head.

jimmytwotimes 2013

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-55741981

Follow the North they said

Stateofyou

khalessi wrote: »

Did you see this Aodhan O Riordain in Dáil spoke well

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1352306715513991168?s=08

wowowow that was incredibly gratifying. I nearly clapped!

fits

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Where's the contradiction?

This was explained by Ronan Glynn

"Speaking at a press briefing by the National Public Health Emergency Team (NPHET) earlier, Dr Ronan Glynn said that although there were no “zero-risk” environments, the re-opening of schools was in the best interests of children.

He explained that NPHET’s advice for people to stay at home was partly intended to allow limited sections of society to continue, and that health officials recognised that some people could not stay at home because their work would not allow them to do so."

So yes level 5 won't be lifted anytime soon but yet schools could go back in time

Schools were open during level 5 in October

It's too early for all schools to be back but maybe not limited students like special needs

Agree with all of this. It amazes me how educated folks cannot get their heads around it. It’s up to NPHET to balance the risks and made the decisions. Teachers unions etc should accept their advice.

Locotastic

Certainly would explain some of the reason why cases, hospitalisations and deaths are so high still.

A third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus while being cared for in the hospital. They didn’t come in Covid positive, they picked up Covid while in the hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

KrustyUCC

Wombatman wrote: »

Thought it might go over your head.

Nah just an awful awful comparison

Schools and childrens education was deemed a societal priority which was why so much effort was made getting children back to school and also why schools remained open during level 5

Pubs were not a societal priority

Pubs in Dublin did not open since March, the majority of wet pubs only got a month since March and at no stage were any pubs/restaurants open when in level 5

KrustyUCC

History Queen wrote: »

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm expecting at least a partial return of students before midterm.

Would be nice if you're right

Some other posters have indicated the 22nd after midterm which might make sense

21 days more for numbers to hopefully reduce further

jimmytwotimes 2013

Locotastic wrote: »

Certainly would explain some of the reason why cases, hospitalisations and deaths are so high still.

A third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus while being cared for in the hospital. They didn’t come in Covid positive, they picked up Covid while in the hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

We have no idea who is positive and who isn't anymore.

Know of a local surgeon who was instructed to go to work as wait for test was too long that day.

#opentheschools

khalessi

Locotastic wrote: »

Certainly would explain some of the reason why cases, hospitalisations and deaths are so high still.

A third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus while being cared for in the hospital. They didn’t come in Covid positive, they picked up Covid while in the hospital.

https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/

My mum is getting cancer treatment, have to say hospital has been brilliant she gets it weekly and has been kept in 3 times so far, last time for 5 days aand she was tested evry 2 days for Covid, she has no white cells so they were keeping her in as it was safer until a new patirnt came in and had covid. They kicked her out as it was safer to be at home. The place is crawling with covid.

SIster down the country and her ward is being turned into a covid ward as they have ran out of covid beds in hospital so it isnt surprising people are picking it up