Schools closed until March/April? (part 4) **Mod warning in OP 22/01**

The Wordress

redmgar wrote: »

Schools arent due back for two more weeks, daily case numbers will be around 1000 and schools will be back on the 1st.

Can't wait for the 4th Wave!

TallyRand

The Wordress wrote: »

Can't wait for the 4th Wave!

Really, you can’t wait? That’s a nice attitude, charming

Treppen

TallyRand wrote: »

Really, you can’t wait? That’s a nice attitude, charming

I think he was being sarcastic

Crocodile Booze

redmgar wrote: »

Schools arent due back for two more weeks, daily case numbers will be around 1000 and schools will be back on the 1st.

Case numbers do not decide the reopening of anything.

It's more about hospital numbers and in 2 weeks they are going to be dire unfortunately.

wirelessdude01

redmgar wrote: »

Schools arent due back for two more weeks, daily case numbers will be around 1000 and schools will be back on the 1st.

Just quoting this for sh!ts and giggles.

wirelessdude01

beggars_bush wrote: »

Can schools return until close contacts are being tested?

The more pertinent question really is, should they be returning while close contacts aren't being tested?

Natterjack from Kerry

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

The more pertinent question really is, should they be returning while close contacts aren't being tested?

Certainly. Contact tracing from school settings cases have little influence on the wider spread of the virus.

km79

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Certainly. Contact tracing from school settings cases have little influence on the wider spread of the virus.

What does this even mean ?

The Wordress

I spoke to many of my SEN colleagues and it is about a 50% split in who is returning to work for a multitude of reasons.

It would really leave schools in a precarious situation if many of their 'anchor' staff are not present, especially in SEN classes.

wirelessdude01

TallyRand wrote: »

Really, you can’t wait? That’s a nice attitude, charming

Sarcasm really is wasted on some in here.

downthemiddle

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Certainly. Contact tracing from school settings cases have little influence on the wider spread of the virus.

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

This is the problem in a nutshell though - teachers and pupils making risk assessments that they are unqualified to make.

So what are your qualifications?

wirelessdude01

Natterjack from Kerry wrote: »

Certainly. Contact tracing from school settings cases have little influence on the wider spread of the virus.

Ahh contact tracing across the wider community are you just deliberately being obtuse?

wirelessdude01

The Wordress wrote: »

I spoke to many of my SEN colleagues and it is about a 50% split in who is returning to work for a multitude of reasons.

It would really leave schools in a precarious situation if many of their 'anchor' staff are not present, especially in SEN classes.

Encourage every single one of them to email their branch secretary and also their CEC rep with their views.

The Wordress

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Encourage every single one of them to email their branch secretary and also their CEC rep with their views.

I have sent an email to my county CEC rep early this evening. I sent an even stronger worded email to the INTO. I feel like we need a 2nd Primary Teachers Union.

BonsaiKitten

The Wordress wrote: »

I have sent an email to my county CEC rep early this evening. I sent an even stronger worded email to the INTO. I feel like we need a 2nd Primary Teachers Union.

I'd love it if ASTI opened a primary wing. INTO is a lost cause.

wirelessdude01

The Wordress wrote: »

I have sent an email to my county CEC rep early this evening. I sent an even stronger worded email to the INTO. I feel like we need a 2nd Primary Teachers Union.

Branch secretary as well. Every available avenue needs to be used.

km79

The Wordress wrote: »

I spoke to many of my SEN colleagues and it is about a 50% split in who is returning to work for a multitude of reasons.

It would really leave schools in a precarious situation if many of their 'anchor' staff are not present, especially in SEN classes.

I’d be interested to see how many parents will send their SEN children in Thursday
A lot of planning could be for nothing in some instances

Dickie10

schools back with a 1000 cases a day? cmon now bit of realism here. cant see 1000 cases a day by feb 1st , by that reckoning we would be at 200 a day bu march 1st if schools stayed shut and everything else at level 5, i think we need to drive on keep level 5 until late march get case numbers down to under 50 or less.

Ray Donovan

Dickie10 wrote: »

schools back with a 1000 cases a day? cmon now bit of realism here. cant see 1000 cases a day by feb 1st , by that reckoning we would be at 200 a day bu march 1st if schools stayed shut and everything else at level 5, i think we need to drive on keep level 5 until late march get case numbers down to under 50 or less.

Schools were open in mid October when there was frequently 1000+ cases a day.

combat14

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Schools were open in mid October when there was frequently 1000+ cases a day.

thats before the new rampant spreading uk variant arrived here .. this version also seems to affect kid numbers more too

Locotastic

Dickie10 wrote: »

schools back with a 1000 cases a day? cmon now bit of realism here. cant see 1000 cases a day by feb 1st , by that reckoning we would be at 200 a day bu march 1st if schools stayed shut and everything else at level 5, i think we need to drive on keep level 5 until late march get case numbers down to under 50 or less.

Cases will probably be <1000 a day within the next 2 weeks. We got our cases down to less than 50 before and yet here we are.

We can't just continue to lockdown, locking down only buys time and we've been doing it on and off since last March. A lot has been mobilised in that time, some might say not enough maybe. We are having our surge now that we were all warned about in the early days.

The hospitals are not good right now but hopefully we'll be through the worst of this by the end of the month.

There will likely be improvements in the numbers by the end of the month. After the mid term we should be in a good enough position to have schools back open fully.

km79

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Schools were open in mid October when there was frequently 1000+ cases a day.

That’s when 1000+ cases a day meant 1000+ cases a day as contact tracing was operating correctly and all positive cases were being identified due to adequate testing

The Wordress

The Wordress wrote: »

I have sent an email to my county CEC rep early this evening. I sent an even stronger worded email to the INTO. I feel like we need a 2nd Primary Teachers Union.

I'd very much like to do the same.
Where would I find the details for my rep?

Locotastic

km79 wrote: »

That’s when 1000+ cases a day meant 1000+ cases a day as contact tracing was operating correctly and all positive cases were being identified due to adequate testing

We also weren't testing 25,000+ people a day.

If close contacts are isolating for 14 days as they should be then it's all relative.

Doesn't matter if they have a test result or not, contacts are required to isolate whether positive or negative anyway.

Contact tracing is still happening they just aren't being tested but they'll still be notified to isolate.

combat14

Locotastic wrote: »

We also weren't testing 25,000+ people a day.

If close contacts are isolating for 14 days as they should be then it's all relative.

Doesn't matter if they have a test result or not, contacts are required to isolate whether positive or negative anyway.

Contact tracing is still happening they just aren't being tested but they'll still be notified to isolate.

thats because we didnt need to test 25000 a day, its winter now and things are completely
out of control

they are sending in close contacts to work in hopsitals they are so short staffed and putting untrained staff to work on the ventilators the hospitals are completely over whelmed and people are worried about sending everyone back into buildings on top of one another when online teaching is much safer

Locotastic

combat14 wrote: »

thats because we didnt need to test 25000 a day, its winter now and things are completely
out of control

they are sending in close contacts to work in hopsitals they are so short staffed and putting untrained staff to work on the ventilators the hospitals are completely over whelmed and people are worried about sending everyone back into buildings on top of one another when online teaching is much safer

I know, it's terrible the conditions that health workers are facing now after 10 months of very tough times for them already.

It must be a frightening place to work at the moment. They are so brave and resilient and I really feel for anyone working there or who has family working there right now.

The Wordress

TheTorment wrote: »

I'd very much like to do the same.
Where would I find the details for my rep?

I could only find the Rep's name online with no contact information on any site I looked up. I ended up finding her email address in our INTO diary.

Murple

TheTorment wrote: »

I'd very much like to do the same.
Where would I find the details for my rep?

http://teacherbuilt.me/cecsearch/?fbclid=IwAR1EVCdO8eXytNoRlFTFKuFopgkuEDqGph_YgEm4FONwfiPe9hIlqx5pMJA

You just need your roll number.
I’ve never before felt the need to contact my CEC rep on any issue. I was far from happy with many INTO actions but this is on a different level. John Boyle is out of touch with the membership.

vid36

According to The Sunday Times, Norma wants to bring Leaving Certs back on February 1 with the other years coming back on a phased basis.No mention of primary.

irishproduce

With cases falling daily, bringing back children this week on a phased basis, and hopefully cases will continue to fall daily, will be encouraging and will prove the decision is correct.
However if the cases stagnate or increase with schools returning this week, then it might have to be looked at again.