ISME getting in bed with the far right

Danzy

John Doe1 wrote: »

Do you remember the good old days when the left were the ones who stood for common sense?
"

I'm feeling so old.

I remember when the type of person who has swarmed the modern left used largely join the YFG or the Young PDs.

wextipp

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

They are certainly a right wing, non mainstream publication anyway, and you can argue the toss around just how right wing they are - but either way it's strange that ISME would align themselves with them. Don't know much about them but surely they should be staying non political?

The current CEO of ISME was the head of policy in Lucinda Creighton political party and she got a loan for the party from Ganley. Probably doesn't have a bearing but who knows.

John Doe1

Danzy wrote: »

I'm feeling so old.

I remember when the type of person who has swarmed the modern left used largely join the YFG or the Young PDs.

I'm not that old but when I left Trinity in 2012, i think I witnessed the beginning of the importation of this Wokist doctrine when the Philisophical society started banning speakers they disagreed with. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of Liberalism, so this whole cancel culture has a lot more in common with Fascism than Liberalism.

Also, I think the George Nkencho thing was the absolute Nadir of this cults effect in the country.

Silentcorner

John Doe1 wrote: »

Do you remember the good old days when the left were the ones who stood for common sense?

I would have regarded myself as on the left until very recently but apparently any view which is outside the Wokist cult dogma puts you in the "Far Right" these days. These people are not on the left at all but simply extremists who are actually against classic liberal values

Id say these Wokists brains would explode if they were in an actual "Far Right" society like Saudi Arabia"

We owe a great deal of gratitude to the people who stood up and were outspoken about the suffocating influence of the church in our society whose followers on this island in particular were so thick skulled and pious it had to be seen to be believed....our media were just as guilty of upholding this authority for far too long!!!

These would have been liberal types who were confident enough in themselves to spot how far gone the indoctrination became and disengaged or fought it or a combination of both.

So it is sad to see that here we are in 2021 and group think/indoctrination has gotten the better of us again...and this time it is the madness of this woke religion that is pumped at us from every angle including the vast majority of our media just like it was back in the 70s.

You know which authority has dominated society by who you are allowed to criticise and who you aren't...and who is influencing your children!!!

Silentcorner

John Doe1 wrote: »

I'm not that old but when I left Trinity in 2012, i think I witnessed the beginning of the importation of this Wokist doctrine when the Philisophical society started banning speakers they disagreed with. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of Liberalism, so this whole cancel culture has a lot more in common with Fascism than Liberalism.

Also, I think the George Nkencho thing was the absolute Nadir of this cults effect in the country.

It's like that old saying in Italy, there are two kinds of fascists, fascists and anti fascists!!

Dyr

Danzy wrote: »

Always amazing how often those who talk about fighting the far right and monitoring them can be seen in other threads talking in barely concealed anti semitism.

Anti Zionism if you will, its the low fat, healthy, left wing alternative to anti Semtism.

Mr Meanor

John Doe1 wrote: »

I'm not that old but when I left Trinity in 2012, i think I witnessed the beginning of the importation of this Wokist doctrine when the Philisophical society started banning speakers they disagreed with. Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of Liberalism, so this whole cancel culture has a lot more in common with Fascism than Liberalism.

Also, I think the George Nkencho thing was the absolute Nadir of this cults effect in the country.

“When fascism comes, it will not be in brown and black shirts. It will not be with jack-boots. It will be Nike sneakers and Smiley shirts...”
― George Carlin

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Gript is a conservative Catholic website but I don't see how 'far-right' is a justified description.

ThunbergsAreGo

statesaver wrote: »

I enjoy the TRSI podcast on Gript.

Yeah really good podcast, touches on some of the issues others won't deal with in a fairly balanced fashion.

I enjoy Gript from time to time, grifter or far right doesnt seem right

Geuze

wextipp wrote: »

GRIPT is a right wing web-site with extreme views and ISME is a representative body for small business.

I have occasionally looked at GRIPT.

It does not have "extreme views".

I have not read it in detail, but it does seem to have "conservative" views, although I don't think that term is particularly helpful.

It seems to be anti-abortion, and anti-SSM? (I am assuming that)

These are not extreme views.

I have read some of John McGuirk on Twitter, again, not extreme at all, fairly normal.

Geuze

JasonStatham wrote: »

Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

There are zero "far-right" TDs, as far as I know.

There are several "far-left" TDs, I'd say 10-12??

jam_mac_jam

God help us if we ever do have a far right party in this country. There will have been so much crying wolf that nobody will pay any attention.

If everyone is right or far right then nobody is. Just like the word racism is gone out the window as everything is now racist so now everything is far right or alt right. Or is alt right gone now i can't keep track.

Everyone is a Nazi anyway.

jam_mac_jam

JasonStatham wrote: »

Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

Yes free healthcare, housing, high relative pensions, high taxes and a European social democratic welfare state that we all keep voting for. That really indicates a strong right in Ireland.

Geuze

JasonStatham wrote: »

Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

3.2 million people are recipients/beneficiaries of welfare payments in Ireland, out of 4.8m approx population.

Does that sound like a low redistribution right-wing State?

paw patrol

I like Gript a lot.

Sure they have a slant but what media doesn't .

What i particularly like about Gript they tackle stories ignored by the other media. In particular of interest to me is where tax money is spent.
But they do other investigative stuff for example an article in 2020 was showing the political connections in ireland to the chinese CCCP machine.

https://gript.ie/the-ireland-china-institute-and-the-irish-elites-admiration-for-totalitarian-china/

i didn't see that type of thing in the indo probably cos their bosses are along for the ride.

It's funny how people slag off media with a slant (ignoring that they all have some bias - like read the IT ffs - read any irish media coverage of Trump :rolleyes: and say it's not biased) it's that it's only for the political slant they dislike - the lack of perspective is shocking

biko

Funny, I never been on Gript website before. Looks interesting. Thanks OP for bringing it to our attention.

WrenBoy

Never hurts to get another angle/perspective on news stories no?

Mad_maxx

biko wrote: »

Funny, I never been on Gript website before. Looks interesting. Thanks OP for bringing it to our attention.

Check out " the right side " podcast with Gary Kavanagh and Michael Dwyer, two very sardonic characters but well informed, Kavanagh is Mcguirks second in command at Gript

Acosta

Wouldn't be too bothered about them. They're just a few angry lads with Ganley's money and a good dose of butthurt after the last couple of referendums.

CtevenSrowder

biko wrote: »

Funny, I never been on Gript website before. Looks interesting. Thanks OP for bringing it to our attention.

Likewise. Never heard of it before. Looks a first glance a bit too conservative for me but I might give it a go none the less.

VinLieger

Acosta wrote: »

Wouldn't be too bothered about them. They're just a few angry lads with Ganley's money and a good dose of butthurt after the last couple of referendums.

McGuirk is a fvcking hypocrite who claimed if Dublin Central got 75% yes for repealing the 8th he would never take a political job again and when it got 76.5% proceeded to start a politically directed news blog.


Gript also have links to Cambridge Analytica and are funded by Youth Defense, Ganley et al yeah not extreme at all.....

Tell me how

paw patrol wrote: »

I like Gript a lot.

Sure they have a slant but what media doesn't .

What i particularly like about Gript they tackle stories ignored by the other media. In particular of interest to me is where tax money is spent.
But they do other investigative stuff for example an article in 2020 was showing the political connections in ireland to the chinese CCCP machine.

https://gript.ie/the-ireland-china-institute-and-the-irish-elites-admiration-for-totalitarian-china/

i didn't see that type of thing in the indo probably cos their bosses are along for the ride.

It's funny how people slag off media with a slant (ignoring that they all have some bias - like read the IT ffs - read any irish media coverage of Trump :rolleyes: and say it's not biased) it's that it's only for the political slant they dislike - the lack of perspective is shocking

:D:D

This is brilliant.

statesaver

Mad_maxx wrote: »

its excellent , kavanagh and Dwyer are very drol but quite insightful

Aye, they work well together.

Mad_maxx

Acosta wrote: »

Wouldn't be too bothered about them. They're just a few angry lads with Ganley's money and a good dose of butthurt after the last couple of referendums.

McGuirk never sounds angry to me , smug and self satisfied for sure but never angry

i follow him on Twitter , hes annoyingly cheerful even when sparring with his idealogical opposites

TomTomTim

Mad_maxx wrote: »

McGuirk never sounds angry to me , smug and self satisfied for sure but never angry

i follow him on Twitter , hes annoyingly cheerful even when sparring with his idealogical opposites

Attributing emotion that isn't there is a very common tactic of these sorts. It's totally inline with their "everyone who opposes us is an angry white male" narrative.

Acosta

Mad_maxx wrote: »

McGuirk never sounds angry to me , smug and self satisfied for sure but never angry

i follow him on Twitter , hes annoyingly cheerful even when sparring with his idealogical opposites

He was fairly pissy at times during the repeal campaign, but I don't follow him, so I'll take your word for it. Given the choice I'd still have a pint with him over that Ben Scallan character.

Dyr

I found out about Gript because it was the only news source that revealed the 18 year old deeply trouble girl about to be released from prison who wanted to kill women was actually a bloke, even though the court documents were public.


The layout of their website is chronic though

Geuze

Bambi wrote: »

I found out about Gript because it was the only news source that revealed the 18 year old deeply trouble girl about to be released from prison who wanted to kill women was actually a bloke, even though the court documents were public.


The layout of their website is chronic though

I don't look at it often, but I did see that case, yes.

I want to see, read and hear the truth.

I find the IT no longer reports the truth.

That unfortunate person is a man, and the media should report the truth.

A lot of other stuff on the website I ignore.

Mad_maxx

Acosta wrote: »

He was fairly pissy at times during the repeal campaign, but I don't follow him, so I'll take your word for it. Given the choice I'd still have a pint with him over that Ben Scallan character.

ive never knowingly read anything by scallan or heard him on radio or tv, the name does ring a bell but thats all

Manach

To believe that a "far-right" party would have Edmund Burke as any part of their nomencluture really drives home the lack of historical context and hypersensitivity of the left.One can only assume that now Conor Cruise O'Brien has now morphed into a Gobbel's figure given his biography of Burke.

paw patrol

Manach wrote: »

To believe that a "far-right" party would have Edmund Burke as any part of their nomencluture really drives home the lack of historical context and hypersensitivity of the left.One can only assume that now Conor Cruise O'Brien has now morphed into a Gobbel's figure given his biography of Burke.

:rolleyes: another boards poster who labels anybody they disagree with far-right.

Mike Murdock

It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


Talk about tilting at Windmills

keano_afc

Mike Murdock wrote: »

It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


Talk about tilting at Windmills

People dont think there is massive far-right presence in this country. The media do.

Kivaro

Mike Murdock wrote: »

It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


Talk about tilting at Windmills

But the left and progressives (Irish mainstream media etc.) need this boogeyman in order to justify their existence, to push bills such as the "hate speech" legislation through the Dail, and to circumvent referendums that they do not agree with. The likes of Varadkar have also used this boogeyman in order to frighten voters into continuing to vote for Fine Gael; a political party who have time and again let down the contributing/working people in Ireland.

Salvation Tambourine

Kivaro wrote: »

But the left and progressives (Irish mainstream media etc.) need this boogeyman in order to justify their existence, to push bills such as the "hate speech" legislation through the Dail, and to circumvent referendums that they do not agree with. The likes of Varadkar have also used this boogeyman in order to frighten voters into continuing to vote for Fine Gael; a political party who have time and again let down the contributing/working people in Ireland.

Tweets like this are what you are talking about yeah? Stoking fires that are barely embers.

https://twitter.com/powerian/status/1346946812566003713

paw patrol

Nokotan wrote: »

Tweets like this are what you are talking about yeah? Stoking fires that are barely embers.

https://twitter.com/powerian/status/1346946812566003713

I'm not on twitter but I am fascinated when links like this are shown
the number of ideology driven gimps that inhabit twitter is mad,
it's easy to laugh at them and their sh1te but they seem to have huge access to politics and media

like never heard of this guy but here he is blue tick wanker
with his state paid for NGO kingdom probably dictating policy more than my emails to my TD will ever.

Mike Murdock

JasonStatham wrote: »

Ireland's fairly right wing. I don't know why anyone could be surprised about it.

This is a wind-up, right?

ThunbergsAreGo

paw patrol wrote: »

I'm not on twitter but I am fascinated when links like this are shown
the number of ideology driven gimps that inhabit twitter where it's easy to laugh at them and their sh1te but they seem to have huge access to politics and media



like never heard of this guy but here he is blue tick wanker

with his state paid for NGO kingdom probably dictating policy more than my emails to my TD will ever.

His tagline might as well read "takes money from the Government for doing very little, loves American politics, desperately wants a left/right divide in Ireland"

Mike Murdock

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

His tagline might as well read "takes money from the Government for doing very little, loves American politics, desperately wants a left/right divide in Ireland"

And the thing is, his two organisations are just two small pieces in a giant NGO Industry puzzle in this country.

A puzzle that we, the taxpayer, are funding. At least partially anyway.

Beechwoodspark

I’ve no dog in the fight and only became aware of gript about 2 months ago

Two points I’d make -

They are certainly not “far right”. Yes they have an agenda which is more right wing but all media organizations have agendas. The Irish times for example is clearly very much left wing.

Their articles are well written and informative and often present a viewpoint that is completely ignored by the likes of RTÉ the journal the Irish times etc

Gript are about as right wing as Adam Boulton or Kay Burley, imo. Fairly right wing/conservative, heavy with editorial opinion, but I'm not sure if they're far right.

Nokotan

Nokotan wrote: »

Tweets like this are what you are talking about yeah? Stoking fires that are barely embers.

https://twitter.com/powerian/status/1346946812566003713

I watched that carry on in DC last night and I thought that Paul Murphy would have loved it. :pac:

Mad_maxx

Mike Murdock wrote: »

It's incredible that people still think there is a massive Far-Right in this country to rail against. Gemma O'Doherty is getting less than 2% of any election she is part of. None of the National Party are getting that even. Nor are the Irish Freedom Party.

Years ago one of the tabloids was making a big deal of some Far-Right group called the "Celtic Wolves" doing military training up in the mountains somewhere. As if 8 lads LARPing while drinking cans and burning the EU flag was a new Fascist army.


Talk about tilting at Windmills

i never heard of Gemma o Doherty until about eighteen months ago , ive never heard her mentioned on radio or tv , if i didnt frequent this site and look at Twitter , i would still not have heard of her

she comes across to me as being more mentally deranged than " far right " , she is no doubt extremely crass and offensive , harassing private business about what kind of food they can sell etc

none of this is indicative of any " far right " potent movement in this country

Yellow_Fern

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i never heard of Gemma o Doherty until about eighteen months ago , ive never heard her mentioned on radio or tv , if i didnt frequent this site and look at Twitter , i would still not have heard of her

she comes across to me as being more mentally deranged than " far right " , she is no doubt extremely crass and offensive , harassing private business about what kind of food they can sell etc

none of this is indicative of any " far right " potent movement in this country

When ever I have seen Gript people mention Gemma o Doherty, it was to criticise her.

Geuze

wextipp wrote: »

GRIPT is a right wing web-site with extreme views and ISME is a representative body for small business. God only know what the Edmund Burke Institute. They say they are in to education but very little info on them.

I don't look at Gript much, but they don't look like far-right to me.

Centre right, yes.

I voted against SSM and abortion, and I consider myself centre-right.

Tony EH

We don't have "far left" or "far right" in this country.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

We don't have "far left" or "far right" in this country.

Paul Murphy is a Marxist. He isn't the only one.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

Paul Murphy is a Marxist. He isn't the only one.

Pffft...

We STILL don't have "far left" or "far right" in this country.

Tony EH

Tony EH wrote: »

Pffft...

We STILL don't have "far left" or "far right" in this country.

We have far left parties with seats in the Dail, on councils, etc.

But sure you can fool yourself all you like.

mike_cork

Geuze wrote: »

I don't look at Gript much, but they don't look like far-right to me.

Centre right, yes.

I voted against SSM and abortion, and I consider myself centre-right.

Gript would be centre right to me.
I mean I don't agree with everything they publish article about....But they aren't exactly the neo-fascists some people on twitter seem to portray them as.