How many firearms are you allowed to own?

DocKS123

How many firearms are you allowed to own?

Bogwoppit

There is no limit in theory.

clivej

The limit would be "As many as you have GOOD Reason to own"
So for instance you could have 5 or 6 22 LR rifles. 1 for all the different benchrest competition's and 1 for hunting. The same with centrefire rifles. Those needed for competition shooting and a couple more for hunting.
Then a couple of handguns for target shooting.
And let's not forget shotguns. A couple for clay pigeon and then another for hunting.
Before you know it you'll have 20 or more firearms in a very big save.

Cass

As many as you want, but realistically as many as you can provide good reason for wanting/needing.

There is no law that limits the amount of firearms you can own or the frequency of applications, but rather than change the law and set a number they introduced the "good reason" for needing a firearm in 2009 and since then if you cannot provide a good reason for needing a firearm you don't get it.

DocKS123

I am looking at getting a second pistol (22LR) for target shooting - and in the application, I just said the need was for competition shooting. should I have given more detail?

Munsterlad102

DocKS123 wrote: »

I am looking at getting a second pistol (22LR) for target shooting - and in the application, I just said the need was for competition shooting. should I have given more detail?

Well why would you need a second one? I don't mean to be confrontational, but it's exactly what the superintendent is going to ask.

tudderone

DocKS123 wrote: »

How many firearms are you allowed to own?

Not enough.

SVI40

DocKS123 wrote: »

I am looking at getting a second pistol (22LR) for target shooting - and in the application, I just said the need was for competition shooting. should I have given more detail?

I've two .22 pistols. You will need a backup in case one fails or breaks mid competition.

Munsterlad102

SVI40 wrote: »

I've two .22 pistols. You will need a backup in case one fails or breaks mid competition.

Oh really? Interesting. Are they similar models?

DocKS123

Thank you

DocKS123

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Well why would you need a second one? I don't mean to be confrontational, but it's exactly what the superintendent is going to ask.

How would you answer your own question?

tudderone

DocKS123 wrote: »

How would you answer your own question?

I had three pistols at one stage, including a centrefire, i never answered anything other than "Target shooting at an approved range" to the reason on the form. Never had any issues.

DocKS123

tudderone wrote: »

I had three pistols at one stage, including a centrefire, i never answered anything other than "Target shooting at an approved range" to the reason on the form. Never had any issues.

Thank you

badaj0z

This thread may translate the above discussion into "how many firearms do you actually use".
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058141361

garrettod

DocKS123 wrote: »

I am looking at getting a second pistol (22LR).....

Now you've got my curiosity aroused :-)

... What have you got, and what are you getting, if you don't mind me asking? :-)

I would like to have more than one, not sure if I want a revolver and a semi in .22 for example, but never say never. Then there's other variations between pistols, such as weight, which may explain the logic for wanting more than one.

SVI40

Munsterlad102 wrote: »

Oh really? Interesting. Are they similar models?

2 different models, one is a High Standard Victor, the other S&W 41. Similar, but different

Grizzly 45

SVI40 wrote: »

2 different models, one is a High Standard Victor, the other S&W 41. Similar, but different

How do you like the Victor?Are they as finicky as claimed in the mag dept that they almost have their lips formed to a particular brand of ammo?

Wadi14

garrettod wrote: »

Now you've got my curiosity aroused :-)

... What have you got, and what are you getting, if you don't mind me asking? :-)

I would like to have more than one, not sure if I want a revolver and a semi in .22 for example, but never say never. Then there's other variations between pistols, such as weight, which may explain the logic for wanting more than one.

one for open competitions with red dot Hammerli Xesse
one with open sights Hammerli 215s

In saying that I might sell the 215s lol so you guys with one pistol form a line lol

DocKS123

garrettod wrote: »

Now you've got my curiosity aroused :-)

... What have you got, and what are you getting, if you don't mind me asking? :-)

I would like to have more than one, not sure if I want a revolver and a semi in .22 for example, but never say never. Then there's other variations between pistols, such as weight, which may explain the logic for wanting more than one.

I currently own a P226 in 9mm, Glock 44 in .22lr and have an order in for a Taurus TX22

SVI40

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

How do you like the Victor?Are they as finicky as claimed in the mag dept that they almost have their lips formed to a particular brand of ammo?

Yep, they are finicky about the feed lips, but once working, they are are a fantastic pistol. Way more accurate than I am, and the pistol feels a heavy as my SVI.

The original magazines are fine, but some of the aftermarket ones use softer steel, so are not as reliable. I've one, 3rd party, that I just cannot tune, so I've given up on that one.

I actually think I prefer it over my Model 41 .

tudderone

DocKS123 wrote: »

I currently own a P226 in 9mm, Glock 44 in .22lr and have an order in for a Taurus TX22

How are you finding the 44 ?

DocKS123

tudderone wrote: »

How are you finding the 44 ?

It's the business, it took a few hundred rounds to warm-up (300 ish) and I have now over 2,000 rounds with not one issue. It's important to take a bit of care loading the mags but it's really not a problem. Now getting nice groups from 10 and 15 yards.

tudderone

DocKS123 wrote: »

It's the business, it took a few hundred rounds to warm-up (300 ish) and I have now over 2,000 rounds with not one issue. It's important to take a bit of care loading the mags but it's really not a problem. Now getting nice groups from 10 and 15 yards.

How much was it do you mind me asking ? I do fancy one, had a G17 in 9mm years ago.

DocKS123

tudderone wrote: »

How much was it do you mind me asking ? I do fancy one, had a G17 in 9mm years ago.

€775 with John Lambert Firearms LTD (086-2616907)

tudderone

DocKS123 wrote: »

€775 with John Lambert Firearms LTD (086-2616907)

Thats a bit salty, i only paid 600 or 650 for the 9mm.

Wadi14

tudderone wrote: »

Thats a bit salty, i only paid 600 or 650 for the 9mm.

600 euro or less is what some dealers from the South are buying them for up North

BattleCorp

I'm about to put in an application for a second pistol. My good reason is that one is for open sight comps and one is for red dot/optical sight comps.

You can't be putting on and taking off the red dot/scope during comps as you aren't allowed to rezero (or have the time either) during a competition.

ace86

Hi lads I currently have 2rifles 2shotguns at the moment and I’m currently thinking of purchasing a semi auto shotgun for hunting game and vermin and I currently have the room where the firearms are 5 bolt dead lock and an alarm on the room where they are stored, would I have to upgrade security if I get another firearm or will what I have be suffice according to the firearms legislation or is it up to the superintendent interpretation?

SVI40

BattleCorp wrote: »

I'm about to put in an application for a second pistol. My good reason is that one is for open sight comps and one is for red dot/optical sight comps.

You can't be putting on and taking off the red dot/scope during comps as you aren't allowed to rezero (or have the time either) during a competition.

Perfectly legit reason for having one. What are you going for?

Cass

ace86 wrote: »

.........would I have to upgrade security if I get another firearm or will what I have be suffice according to the firearms legislation or is it up to the superintendent interpretation?

The secure storage SI (307/2009) only lists the minimum security you MUST have according to the number of guns you have. This means you must have the requirements listed in each level at a minimum before you even apply. It is then up to the Super/Chief Super as to whether they want more security.

So the only crappy, non, answer anyone can give is get in whatever you need for the amount of guns you have and then see if you're asked for more.

If you have four, and they're all unrestricted, then you are in level three. A fifth gun will keep you in level three. So you've met the minimum standards for applying and it'll be up to your Super if s/he wants more so you can get the fifth.

BattleCorp

SVI40 wrote: »

Perfectly legit reason for having one. What are you going for?

Feinwerkbau AW93.

SVI40

BattleCorp wrote: »

Feinwerkbau AW93.

Sweet, enjoy it when you get it.

ace86

Cass wrote: »

The secure storage SI (307/2009) only lists the minimum security you MUST have according to the number of guns you have. This means you must have the requirements listed in each level at a minimum before you even apply. It is then up to the Super/Chief Super as to whether they want more security.

So the only crappy, non, answer anyone can give is get in whatever you need for the amount of guns you have and then see if you're asked for more.

If you have four, and they're all unrestricted, then you are in level three. A fifth gun will keep you in level three. So you've met the minimum standards for applying and it'll be up to your Super if s/he wants more so you can get the fifth.

Yes I hear you it all depends on the Super in my area and what they want I suppose. Can they make me fit extra security even though I have met the legal requirements for security and storage according to the law or is it an argument ur never going to win?

Cass

ace86 wrote: »

Can they make me fit extra security even though I have met the legal requirements for security and storage according to the law.........

As above:

Cass wrote:

The secure storage SI (307/2009) only lists the minimum security you MUST have according to the number of guns you have. This means you must have the requirements listed in each level at a minimum before you even apply. It is then up to the Super/Chief Super as to whether they want more security.

So as said you have to comply with the minimum standards as laid out in the SI. This is a must. Then the Super can impose other/higher security measures if s/he deems it necessary. Such circumstances could include high crime area, isolated house, history of burglary (the area, not so much you), because its Monday (:D), rented property, shared living, etc, etc.

........ or is it an argument ur never going to win?

There is no argument to be had, and i'm not being a dick. The law says very clearly:

SI307/2009, section 4 wrote:

4. The holders of firearm certificates in respect of firearms of the types and numbers mentioned in column (2) of the Schedule at any reference number shall comply with the minimum standards in relation to the provision of secure accommodation for those firearms specified in column (3) opposite that reference number

Now obviously if the Super demands a moat with sharks and fricking laser beams on their heads, you have a case to appeal in terms of being overly drastic/harsh. Other than that you've no choice but to comply.

ace86

There is no argument to be had, and i'm not being a dick. The law says very clearly:

No your fine your just giving a straight answer from what u know and read and probably gone through yourself. Would it be advisable to talk them 1st about another firearm before I go purchasing one?

Cass

If you want my opinion, as in what i'd do.

You are legally covered for the amount of guns you have and for another one without having to increase the security requirements. So you can apply right now for the other gun and be legal.

Whether the Super asks for more or not is up to them, however most people with firearm rarely get asked for more security when they already have security and are a "known factor". Asking for a meeting may cause an increase that may never come.

The only reason i'd be hesitant, if i were you, is because there is a hefty price difference between level three and level four (depending on the type of alarm you already have). If you only have a room alarm then level four requires a house alarm with monitoring and this would be the next step you may be asked to take. Again it's all subjective.

Me, i'd just apply, tick the boxes, and see what happens. You can always cancel the license application if you're called in and told to get more security that would cause a huge rise in the overall cost.

RS98

Cass wrote: »

If you want my opinion, as in what i'd do.

You are legally covered for the amount of guns you have and for another one without having to increase the security requirements. So you can apply right now for the other gun and be legal.

Whether the Super asks for more or not is up to them, however most people with firearm rarely get asked for more security when they already have security and are a "known factor". Asking for a meeting may cause an increase that may never come.

The only reason i'd be hesitant, if i were you, is because there is a hefty price difference between level three and level four (depending on the type of alarm you already have). If you only have a room alarm then level four requires a house alarm with monitoring and this would be the next step you may be asked to take. Again it's all subjective.

Me, i'd just apply, tick the boxes, and see what happens. You can always cancel the license application if you're called in and told to get more security that would cause a huge rise in the overall cost.

Slightly off topic maybe but I've wondered about this before. Can you actually "cancel" an application after it's gone in.

In other words, can you withdraw it without it counting as a refusal.

Cass

If you cancel a license or application its not counted as a refusal as you were not refused.

You can cancel an application at any point. Whether that is asking for the application to be "pulled" or getting so far as the grant letter and simply not paying for it (you only have 30 days to do so or its classed by AGS as unwanted).

I've done this twice and one was an application and the other a grant letter. The application was pulled because the gun i wanted was not able to be got and the grant letter was a case of when i decided to sell a gun instead of licensing it again. With the application they simply pulled it, but for the one with the grant letter i wrote to my FO citing the grant letter number and told him that i was not going to pay for it and provided a copy of the storage letter from the dealer to show the gun was not in my possession. Same applies if you're buying a gun. You don't pay the grant fee, write to your FO, give the grant number and a letter to say you have not collected the gun.

The lack of payment receipt from the post office or the actual license means the RFD won't and cannot hand out the license.

ace86

Cass wrote: »

If you want my opinion, as in what i'd do.

You are legally covered for the amount of guns you have and for another one without having to increase the security requirements. So you can apply right now for the other gun and be legal.

Whether the Super asks for more or not is up to them, however most people with firearm rarely get asked for more security when they already have security and are a "known factor". Asking for a meeting may cause an increase that may never come.

The only reason i'd be hesitant, if i were you, is because there is a hefty price difference between level three and level four (depending on the type of alarm you already have). If you only have a room alarm then level four requires a house alarm with monitoring and this would be the next step you may be asked to take. Again it's all subjective.

Me, i'd just apply, tick the boxes, and see what happens. You can always cancel the license application if you're called in and told to get more security that would cause a huge rise in the overall cost.

Sound for the advice cass yes that was in my head anyway just to chance it see how it goes but I don’t want to go down the monitored alarm route to be honest as it’s the family home I live in not my house.I’m glad I can withdraw the application at anytime if that becomes a concern but I do have one question or fear I suppose if I get it and in 3 yrs time go for renewal can the super turn around and say he wants me to upgrade my security I’m sure they can?

Cass

ace86 wrote: »

........ if I get it and in 3 yrs time go for renewal can the super turn around and say he wants me to upgrade my security I’m sure they can?

There is nothing stopping him from doing so, but if he deemed your security set up as competent when he first licensed you then I cannot see him increasing it in 3 years. Well not to the extreme of causing a huge cost for security increase.

There is always the option of you doing the increase yourself. I mean if you spread the cost of the house alarm over a three year period and have it installed before renewal then it could work out at less than a tenner a week and you never have to worry about security costs nor meeting security requirements again.

IOW hit level 4 yourself, between licensing and renewal, and never concern yourself with any future application requirements.

Grizzly 45

Wonder if you got past a certain number of guns. Would it be a better option to go and build a miniature vault in some part of the house and put in a proper vault door? It would certainly beat any sort of mild steel box we have here that are mistakenly called "safes". Obviously still needs the alarm etc, but it would show going above&beyond the call of security requirements,so they might factor that into the application?

Cass

I didn't build a miniature vault but turned a room into a vault for the reasons i gave to ace86 above. That is to pre-empt any future requirements and have them met regardless of the number of firearms which included sealing and securing the window and door. Then went well above level four for the rest of the house including CCTV system, IR lighting, etc.. Done it for security first and foremost but it will also satisfy any requirements they can consider in the future.

BattleCorp

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Wonder if you got past a certain number of guns. Would it be a better option to go and build a miniature vault in some part of the house and put in a proper vault door? It would certainly beat any sort of mild steel box we have here that are mistakenly called "safes". Obviously still needs the alarm etc, but it would show going above&beyond the call of security requirements,so they might factor that into the application?

I'd love to do that but I don't think it would comply with the conditions on my licence.

I'm required to keep my restricted firearms broken down and split between two safes in different rooms. So if someone takes a gun from a safe, it's inoperable. They'd have to find the two safes to get a working firearm.