Leinster vs Northampton match thread

KH25

lawrencesummers wrote: »

VDF shouldn’t have been there, player cleared him out the only way possible, initial contact wasn’t to the head. Correct decision.

This is just absolute nonsense.

Kraftwerk

lawrencesummers wrote: »

VDF shouldn’t have been there, player cleared him out the only way possible, initial contact wasn’t to the head. Correct decision.

Absolutely nothing you said is true.

Pudsy33

lawrencesummers wrote: »

VDF shouldn’t have been there, player cleared him out the only way possible, initial contact wasn’t to the head. Correct decision.

A player being in an illegal position isn't a free pass to smash his head with your shoulder? Its the ref's call.

TheAnalyst_

One of the worst decisions I've ever seen given that the ref had a full and clear view of it on the replay.

Squidgy Black

Lads don't bother giving him the attention.

errlloyd

Was that also a maul? I think the reason vdf had his head up was to ask if it was a maul.

randomname2005

lawrencesummers wrote: »

VDF shouldn’t have been there, player cleared him out the only way possible, initial contact wasn’t to the head. Correct decision.

Was to the head from my perspective.
If the only way possible was to shoulder his head then he should have tried something else

Morathi

bilston wrote: »

Really don't get where BOD and Hartley are coming from here...I think Ryle Nugent was pretty surprised by their take as well...that is a red card every day and week of the year.

Watching on C4, Heaslip was on the fence, English female also took the "VDF had his head up" BS excuse.

UAEguy2020

I find it quite worrying how for professionals players dont know how to legally clear someone out when they are in a low position...I play amatur level in Abu Dhabi and we learn how to do it. ****ing hell.

Strumms

Referee , have a word with yourself ffs.

molloyjh

BOD: "Where else is he meant to hit him?"

If he can only hit him in the head Brian, then he shouldn't hit him at all. FFS with everything that has gone on in the last couple of weeks that shouldn't even be a question.

Ryan 'Courtney Lawes' Baird.

UAEguy2020

randomname2005 wrote: »

Was to the head from my perspective.
If the only way possible was to shoulder his head then he should have tried something else

That's the kind of decision England would get so no surprised Northampton got away with it.

degsie

Ref biased for sure

theVersatile

It's a weird one. One one hand, it's a red card clear out by letter of the law. On the other its a technically (as in technique wise) perfect clear out - wins the head space, through the gate and actually wraps (as opposed to a scumbag shoulder hit or a knee crippler from the side). There's literally no other way of clearing out JVDF in that situation.

So yeah, letter of the law it's an outrageous call - but it's the most efficient and usually safe way to take out the jackler.

blackcard

lawrencesummers wrote: »

VDF shouldn’t have been there, player cleared him out the only way possible, initial contact wasn’t to the head. Correct decision.

So that justifies hitting a player to the head. Absolute nonsense. Player has a duty of care. It wasn't as if Van derFlier changed his height

Former Former Former

randomname2005 wrote: »

Except a few weeks ago when the ref said he saw the grounding and was overruled by the tmo

The TMO cannot overrule the ref.

The TMO did his job here. He called the ref's attention to it, showed him all the angles, that's all he can do.

Sangre

theVersatile wrote: »

It's a weird one. One one hand, it's a red card clear out by letter of the law. On the other its a technically (as in technique wise) perfect clear out - wins the head space, through the gate and actually wraps (as opposed to a scumbag shoulder hit or a knee crippler from the side). There's literally no other way of clearing out JVDF in that situation.

So yeah, letter of the law it's an outrageous call - but it's the most efficient and usually safe way to take out the jackler.

Tell all your backrows to lift their head in the jackal. No legal clearout possible anymore!

Kraftwerk

molloyjh wrote: »

BOD: "Where else is he meant to hit him?"

If he can only hit him in the head Brian, then he shouldn't hit him at all. FFS with everything that has gone on in the last couple of weeks that shouldn't even be a question.

And after BOD himself even apologised for his comments about the game getting soft.

randomname2005

Former Former Former wrote: »

That's mad. Citing incoming.

I thought if it was dealt with during the game, with no card given, that was the end of it

UAEguy2020

When someone is that low you go over the top of him/her, rap your arms around their chest area like a set belt, twist to the side and you get them off the ball...I learnt that at amatur level in Abu Dhabi yet apparently that's too much detail for professional teams...

Faugheen

Isn’t Sexton the chair of the International Rugby Players Association?

He needs to be coming out and tearing into these ex-pros over this. It’s an extremely dangerous narrative to start bringing in.

Akrasia

High late hit by Ryan on the Saints 10 and the commentator says it's a compliment to the 10 and the referee ignores it

lawrencesummers

blackcard wrote: »

So that justifies hitting a player to the head. Absolute nonsense. Player has a duty of care. It wasn't as if Van derFlier changed his height

It was a clear out, maybe a small bit high, but a fair contest.


The dramatics from VDF weren’t necessary either. Neymar would be proud.

Former Former Former

randomname2005 wrote: »

I thought if it was dealt with during the game, with no card given, that was the end of it

Isn't that GAA?

Definitely not the case in rugby

Burkie1203

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1340307263861501953?s=19

corny

Former Former Former wrote: »

The TMO cannot overrule the ref.

The TMO did his job here. He called the ref's attention to it, showed him all the angles, that's all he can do.

He can say... which does happen... can you take another look. Code for you really are getting this wrong.

wonder how BOD will explain the VDF hit to his kids this week.

randomname2005

Former Former Former wrote: »

The TMO cannot overrule the ref.

The TMO did his job here. He called the ref's attention to it, showed him all the angles, that's all he can do.

That was my thought too, but I think it was a pro 14 match where the ref said he had a clear grounding, but tmo said no grounding and no try. Possibly Connacht were over the line

Clegg

Very frustrating performance. Lots and lots of errors and poor execution. Yet still scored 35 points.

AdamD

theVersatile wrote: »

It's a weird one. One one hand, it's a red card clear out by letter of the law. On the other its a technically (as in technique wise) perfect clear out - wins the head space, through the gate and actually wraps (as opposed to a scumbag shoulder hit or a knee crippler from the side). There's literally no other way of clearing out JVDF in that situation.

So yeah, letter of the law it's an outrageous call - but it's the most efficient and usually safe way to take out the jackler.

A shoulder to the head is never perfect technique.

UAEguy2020

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1340307263861501953?s=19

That means 70% of reds given for taking someone out in the air isnt a red...

randomname2005

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It was a clear out, maybe a small bit high, but a fair contest.


The dramatics from VDF weren’t necessary either. Neymar would be proud.

Let us see how you handle a shoulder/upper arm to the face.
Edit, not a threat just would like you to show us how you would handle it

theVersatile

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

When someone is that low you go over the top of him/her, rap your arms around their chest area like a set belt, twist to the side and you get them off the ball...I learnt that at amatur level in Abu Dhabi yet apparently that's too much detail for professional teams...

Pro jackallers are too strong usually for the Croc roll/tin opener - there's a reason it's being coached out. Look at the Saints hooker turnover earlier.

It's safer sure, but winning the headpsace is the way it's coached at the top level.

degsie

Ref needs a kick in the hole for that game!

Kraftwerk

Former Former Former wrote: »

The TMO cannot overrule the ref.

The TMO did his job here. He called the ref's attention to it, showed him all the angles, that's all he can do.

The TMO didn't do his job. He was directly asked by the ref if he agreed with the refs view and he decided not to answer for fear of disagreing.

The TMO is also a ref who's job is to help the ref make correct decisions and advise in instances where the ref is unclear what happened. If they can't even answer questions honestly then what's the point in having them?

Leinster probably needed a reality check like that.

Hope the injuries or not serious.

The hit on VDF is dividing too many opinions so will wait and see if it's cited.

lawrencesummers

randomname2005 wrote: »

Let us see how you handle a shoulder/upper arm to the face

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

corny

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1340307263861501953?s=19

Jesus i thought he gave a the penalty for the clearout but not the card. He gave the penalty for not rolling away.:eek:

degsie

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

Neither is backseat modding

UAEguy2020

Got to love the Glasgow forum (sorry for bringing that crew up), every single little thing that Leinster do that could be considered a potential penalty is scrutinised yet when it comes to that high hit they claim there isnt clear evidence that he hit VDF in the head and Leinster deserve it for all the decisions they get...

What a bitter biggoted crowd.

randomname2005

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

I thought I had edited it quickly enough. No threat intended, just curious how you would react if you got a hit like that

irishbucsfan

corny wrote: »

He can say... which does happen... can you take another look. Code for you really are getting this wrong.

I mean he could, but the referee saw exactly what happened, it was very clear on the footage. The blame there is with the referee.

A totally bizarre decision. Maybe if VDF had dropped his head suddenly you could excuse it, but he didn't.

A-Train

Take that result after all the disruption to the team.

lawrencesummers

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

Oh don't be such a cry baby, no one is being threatened.

UAEguy2020

theVersatile wrote: »

Pro jackallers are too strong usually for the Croc roll/tin opener - there's a reason it's being coached out. Look at the Saints hooker turnover earlier.

It's safer sure, but winning the headpsace is the way it's coached at the top level.

I forgot the name but yes the croc roll is the name!



That's true but its still not a good enough excuse for the clear out Wood made, the best thing you can do is dont let VDF get in that position in the first place.

molloyjh

Very disappointing performance. Hard to say much else tbh. I just hope the injuries aren't too bad. We need Sexton back badly.

theVersatile

AdamD wrote: »

A shoulder to the head is never perfect technique.

Obviously, but the point is that cleaners nowadays are taught to win the height battle, get square and wrap. The cleaner here is about six inches from the ground.

Obviously it's still atleast a yellow due to the nature of the contact, but it is exactly what coaches are looking for.

Dog Botherer

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

molloyjh

Also, our discipline is becoming a worry. We got away with a bit today, but on another day we may not have. It cost us vs Saracens early on too. I wonder whats going on that we're being so impulsive at times.