Leinster vs Northampton match thread

AdamD

theVersatile wrote: »

It's a weird one. One one hand, it's a red card clear out by letter of the law. On the other its a technically (as in technique wise) perfect clear out - wins the head space, through the gate and actually wraps (as opposed to a scumbag shoulder hit or a knee crippler from the side). There's literally no other way of clearing out JVDF in that situation.

So yeah, letter of the law it's an outrageous call - but it's the most efficient and usually safe way to take out the jackler.

A shoulder to the head is never perfect technique.

UAEguy2020

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1340307263861501953?s=19

That means 70% of reds given for taking someone out in the air isnt a red...

randomname2005

lawrencesummers wrote: »

It was a clear out, maybe a small bit high, but a fair contest.


The dramatics from VDF weren’t necessary either. Neymar would be proud.

Let us see how you handle a shoulder/upper arm to the face.
Edit, not a threat just would like you to show us how you would handle it

theVersatile

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

When someone is that low you go over the top of him/her, rap your arms around their chest area like a set belt, twist to the side and you get them off the ball...I learnt that at amatur level in Abu Dhabi yet apparently that's too much detail for professional teams...

Pro jackallers are too strong usually for the Croc roll/tin opener - there's a reason it's being coached out. Look at the Saints hooker turnover earlier.

It's safer sure, but winning the headpsace is the way it's coached at the top level.

degsie

Ref needs a kick in the hole for that game!

Kraftwerk

Former Former Former wrote: »

The TMO cannot overrule the ref.

The TMO did his job here. He called the ref's attention to it, showed him all the angles, that's all he can do.

The TMO didn't do his job. He was directly asked by the ref if he agreed with the refs view and he decided not to answer for fear of disagreing.

The TMO is also a ref who's job is to help the ref make correct decisions and advise in instances where the ref is unclear what happened. If they can't even answer questions honestly then what's the point in having them?

Leinster probably needed a reality check like that.

Hope the injuries or not serious.

The hit on VDF is dividing too many opinions so will wait and see if it's cited.

lawrencesummers

randomname2005 wrote: »

Let us see how you handle a shoulder/upper arm to the face

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

corny

Burkie1203 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/VMSportIE/status/1340307263861501953?s=19

Jesus i thought he gave a the penalty for the clearout but not the card. He gave the penalty for not rolling away.:eek:

degsie

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

Neither is backseat modding

UAEguy2020

Got to love the Glasgow forum (sorry for bringing that crew up), every single little thing that Leinster do that could be considered a potential penalty is scrutinised yet when it comes to that high hit they claim there isnt clear evidence that he hit VDF in the head and Leinster deserve it for all the decisions they get...

What a bitter biggoted crowd.

randomname2005

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

I thought I had edited it quickly enough. No threat intended, just curious how you would react if you got a hit like that

irishbucsfan

corny wrote: »

He can say... which does happen... can you take another look. Code for you really are getting this wrong.

I mean he could, but the referee saw exactly what happened, it was very clear on the footage. The blame there is with the referee.

A totally bizarre decision. Maybe if VDF had dropped his head suddenly you could excuse it, but he didn't.

A-Train

Take that result after all the disruption to the team.

lawrencesummers

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

Oh don't be such a cry baby, no one is being threatened.

UAEguy2020

theVersatile wrote: »

Pro jackallers are too strong usually for the Croc roll/tin opener - there's a reason it's being coached out. Look at the Saints hooker turnover earlier.

It's safer sure, but winning the headpsace is the way it's coached at the top level.

I forgot the name but yes the croc roll is the name!



That's true but its still not a good enough excuse for the clear out Wood made, the best thing you can do is dont let VDF get in that position in the first place.

molloyjh

Very disappointing performance. Hard to say much else tbh. I just hope the injuries aren't too bad. We need Sexton back badly.

theVersatile

AdamD wrote: »

A shoulder to the head is never perfect technique.

Obviously, but the point is that cleaners nowadays are taught to win the height battle, get square and wrap. The cleaner here is about six inches from the ground.

Obviously it's still atleast a yellow due to the nature of the contact, but it is exactly what coaches are looking for.

Dog Botherer

lawrencesummers wrote: »

A hollow threat of violence has no place on a civilized forum.

molloyjh

Also, our discipline is becoming a worry. We got away with a bit today, but on another day we may not have. It cost us vs Saracens early on too. I wonder whats going on that we're being so impulsive at times.

UAEguy2020

molloyjh wrote: »

Very disappointing performance. Hard to say much else tbh. I just hope the injuries aren't too bad. We need Sexton back badly.

Yes because every poor Leinster/Ireland performance is down souly to Sexton not playing, next him returning will fix the Leinster lineout.

theVersatile

Of course if the laws surrounding shoulders not dipping below hips were employed more strictly, situations like this would happen less often.

Morathi

C4 looking at the VDF incident now.

OneLungDavy

No need for this outrage, insisting the ref should lose his job over a decision.

randomname2005

Morathi wrote: »

C4 looking at the VDF incident now.

So he puts his face down and he's hit on the top or back of the head. Still a hit to the head.
He closed the gap, big swinging genitalia, then don't go for the hit.

Morathi

Morathi wrote: »

C4 looking at the VDF incident now.

Aaaaand they pussyfooted around it. Mitigation blah blah blah.

Wtf is it going to take if this week of ALL WEEKS, an incident like that isn't roundly condemned.

Pretty poor performance there. Conditions weren't great but you'd have hoped for more. Real lack of ruthlessness at a lot of different points in the game.

Kraftwerk

Quinlan doing everything he can to excuse it even though he knows it's technically a red because there's clear shoulder to the face.

Strumms

Ehh if it’s the letter of the law, he deserves a red card. Jesus Quinlan

randomname2005

OneLungDavy wrote: »

No need for this outrage, insisting the ref should lose his job over a decision.

No, but should be made, not in the jury of social media, explain to his supervisors why he made the decision. And if he has to ref at lower levels for a few matches before Heineken Cup again, so be it