What would it take for you to kill?

DEFTLEFTHAND

They say humans have it as an instinct, it's the reason why we for the head or neck in a fight.

I was reading a very interesting story recently about a young Mafia member in Philadelphia during the 80s, Salvatore ' Salvie' Testa, known as the 'Mafia Prince' in the media.

His father Phil ' Chicken Man' Testa was the boss of the Philadelphia Family and his murder was immortised in the Bruce Springsteen song 'Atlantic City'.

Salvie found the men who killed his dad and tortured them for three days. Setting fireworks up their arse, peeling back their fingernails, systematically removing their eye balls with a tea spoon.

He'd no remorse for his actions. He made a comment a year later stating that he wished he could dig them up and kill them again.

Salvie met his end not too long after. He was double crossed by his fathers Underboss, Nicodemo Scarfo. Shot in the the head and dumped in a ditch along the road from Philly to Atlantic City. 28 years old.

Gruffalux

Oh Jayziz got up earlier because I couldn't sleep and after reading that probably won't sleep for a week. I could murder you!

Ficheall

Immunity.


(From prosecution/retribution. Nothing to do with Covid. I'll be doing my best not to risk killing anyone with that.)

simongurnick

Someone messing with my kids

DEFTLEFTHAND

Reading up about Salvie is tragic. He was glued to his father from knee high, the Chicken man had him in their social clubs from the time he could walk and talk. He was groomed to be a mobster.

He saw horrible things as a child.

larchielads

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They say humans have it as an instinct, it's the reason why we for the head or neck in a fight.

I was reading a very interesting story recently about a young Mafia member in Philadelphia during the 80s, Salvatore ' Salvie' Testa, known as the 'Mafia Prince' in the media.

His father Phil ' Chicken Man' Testa was the boss of the Philadelphia Family and his murder was immortised in the Bruce Springsteen song 'Atlantic City'.

Salvie found the men who killed his dad and tortured them for three days. Setting fireworks up their arse, peeling back their fingernails, systematically removing their eye balls with a tea spoon.

He'd no remorse for his actions. He made a comment a year later stating that he wished he could dig them up and kill them again.

Salvie met his end not too long after. He was double crossed by his fathers Underboss, Nicodemo Scarfo. Shot in the the head and dumped in a ditch along the road from Philly to Atlantic City. 28 years old.

Quick somebody tell scorcese

TuringBot47

simongurnick wrote: »

Someone messing with my kids

Yep, that would do it.
Someone who broke into the house and coming up the stairs. I've a claw hammer at the side of the bed to explain the big mistake they made to them personally.

You can legally use force against a burglar, within reason. You can't chase them as they try to escape but certainly stopping them from coming out in or trying to force them out, protecting your family etc.

stoneill

That fucxer in the yellow reg white van that skipped the queue by blasting up the bus lane.

Bob Harris

A weapon of some description.

everlast75

Hearing "All I want for Christmas" by Mariah Carey one more f**king time....

simongurnick

simongurnick wrote: »

Someone messing with my kids

Someone ‘messing’ with any kids if I had the right opportunity.

atr2002

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Yep, that would do it.
Someone who broke into the house and coming up the stairs. I've a claw hammer at the side of the bed to explain the big mistake they made to them personally.

You can legally use force against a burglar, within reason. You can't chase them as they try to escape but certainly stopping them from coming out in or trying to force them out, protecting your family etc.

Put a strong wrist strap on that hammer. They're used to that ****, you're not.. and you'd be half asleep

Kylta

I think everybody has the capacity to take another persons life, I would imagine it wouldbe down to circumstance and desperation. Human's has a species have a tendency to destroy life, look at all the wars and genocides throughout history.

Castlekeeper

It's not so easy kill things, but then sometimes they die for the simplest reasons.
Torturing is a completely different matter, Ithat I think one would need a damaged or altered mindset to carry out.

machiavellianme

everlast75 wrote: »

Hearing "All I want for Christmas" by Mariah Carey one more f**king time....

That's one of the best things about not having left the house since February, no inflicted hate crimes against my ears.

Feisar

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Yep, that would do it.
Someone who broke into the house and coming up the stairs. I've a claw hammer at the side of the bed to explain the big mistake they made to them personally.

You can legally use force against a burglar, within reason. You can't chase them as they try to escape but certainly stopping them from coming out in or trying to force them out, protecting your family etc.

It is illegal to have something on standby as a weapon. You need something you can easily explain. In my case a Kukri since I collect knives.:pac:

McMurphy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Salvie met his end not too long after. He was double crossed by his fathers Underboss, Nicodemo Scarfo. Shot in the the head and dumped in a ditch along the road from Philly to Atlantic City. 28 years old.

I'd take salvies ending to that of his victims any day of the week, but to answer the question asked in the op, as already stated - mess with my kids or wife and that would probably do it for me. They're off limits.

Chiorino

Feisar wrote: »

It is illegal to have something on standby as a weapon. You need something you can easily explain. In my case a Kukri since I collect knives.:pac:

"Well your honour, I'd been hanging up some picture frames the evening before and hadn't the chance to put the tools away before I went to bed"

Different story if you chase him up the road and bludgeon him with a claw hammer then.

Mules

Salvie's death doesn't sound like a great loss to the human race. Sick fecker. These types live by the sword and then they are surprised when they die by the sword.

Feisar

Feisar wrote: »

It is illegal to have something on standby as a weapon. You need something you can easily explain. In my case a Kukri since I collect knives.:pac:

I got an early gift of a Oneida Kestral Bow recently. Wonder how easy that would be to explain if I ever got questioned on it.

GarIT

I'd need to think I could get away with it.

begbysback

I’ve a few bodies under the belt meself, it’s gotten to the stage now where I don’t even bury them anymore, just leave them where they fall.

EmmetSpiceland

Must be awful to be so afraid, all the time, that you’d need a claw hammer beside your bed while you sleep.

Kermit.de.frog

Is this one of those moments in life for a boardsie where the OP got hilariously drunk and will wake up this morning thinking "what was I posting on boards last night, OMG!?"

WrenBoy

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

Must be awful to be so afraid, all the time, that you’d need a claw hammer beside your bed while you sleep.

I've had a short bat in the weardrobe for years, never used it, never even had to think about it, its just there in case of worst case scenario. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

tayto lover

Three things that cause people to kill -

1. Blind rage.

2. Extreme fear - usually for yours or someone else’s life.

3. Revenge.

Tzardine

tayto lover wrote: »

Three things that cause people to kill -

1. Blind rage.

2. Extreme fear - usually for yours or someone else’s life.

3. Revenge.

You forgot the most obvious one.

4. Putting empty wrappers back in the roses tin.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zViyZGmBhvs

cj maxx

Self defence. I think any human, no matter their outlook on life, would kill to preserve their, or their families, life.

PARlance

WrenBoy wrote: »

I've had a short bat in the weardrobe for years, never used it, never even had to think about it, its just there in case of worst case scenario. Better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it.

Our home/shop was broken into by 6 you know whats when I was 15.

I'd rather do a Nally than Nothing.
Not scared, just prepared.

Your Face

bout tree fiddy

Stone Deaf 4evr

I do wonder, statistically speaking, how often a break in occurs with the intent of harming kids first and foremost? , and what sort of wasteland people are living in to say that they sleep with weapons under or near the bed?

I'd categorize a lot of this talk in the same was as that kid in school who claimed to be a black belt in ninjitsu and had an uncle who worked at nintendo - complete dreamers.

Id say your kids would be more traumatized by seeing daddy beaten with his own bat or hammer than losing his playstation.

Mad_maxx

tayto lover wrote: »

Three things that cause people to kill -

1. Blind rage.

2. Extreme fear - usually for yours or someone else’s life.

3. Revenge.

plenty more than that

one being soldiers who are trained to know how and why they are doing it

Stone Deaf 4evr

Stone Deaf 4evr wrote: »

I do wonder, statistically speaking, how often a break in occurs with the intent of harming kids first and foremost? , and what sort of wasteland people are living in to say that they sleep with weapons under or near the bed?

I'd categorize a lot of this talk in the same was as that kid in school who claimed to be a black belt in ninjitsu and had an uncle who worked at nintendo - complete dreamers.

Id say your kids would be more traumatized by seeing daddy beaten with his own bat or hammer than losing his playstation.

I wouldn't risk my life for the PlayStation , feic it, its only a lump of plastic, but if an intruder was coming up the stairs towards my kids, and refusing to retreat, one of us is getting seriously injured.

ShatterAlan

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They say humans have it as an instinct, it's the reason why we for the head or neck in a fight.

I was reading a very interesting story recently about a young Mafia member in Philadelphia during the 80s, Salvatore ' Salvie' Testa, known as the 'Mafia Prince' in the media.

His father Phil ' Chicken Man' Testa was the boss of the Philadelphia Family and his murder was immortised in the Bruce Springsteen song 'Atlantic City'.

Salvie found the men who killed his dad and tortured them for three days. Setting fireworks up their arse, peeling back their fingernails, systematically removing their eye balls with a tea spoon.

He'd no remorse for his actions. He made a comment a year later stating that he wished he could dig them up and kill them again.

Salvie met his end not too long after. He was double crossed by his fathers Underboss, Nicodemo Scarfo. Shot in the the head and dumped in a ditch along the road from Philly to Atlantic City. 28 years old.

I doubt the guy was normal before his father was killed. It's obvious that he was a psychopath and probably would have inflicted this kind of savagery on a total stranger who owed a debt or had information that he wanted.

tayto lover

Mad_maxx wrote: »

plenty more than that

one being soldiers who are trained to know how and why they are doing it

They don’t believe they murder anyone.
Act of war they call it.

Gregor Samsa

tayto lover wrote: »

They don’t believe they murder anyone.
Act of war they call it.

kill ≠ murder

ShatterAlan

McMurphy wrote: »

I'd take salvies ending to that of his victims any day of the week, but to answer the question asked in the op, as already stated - mess with my kids or wife and that would probably do it for me. They're off limits.

People say this but it's generally just talk.


How often do you hear of someone killing a person who has "messed" with their kids/wife/family?



Most people aren't members of a crime gang, paramilitary organisation, drug cartel, football hooligan firm or any group that would have no compunction about doling out a severe punishment to anyone who has fcuked with one of their own.


Peoples' partners, siblings, children, loved ones get "fcuked" with all the time but revenge whether it be assault, torture or murder, is rarely if ever exacted as a response.



There was a thread earlier about an acid attack in a takeaway in Tallaght and people expressed horror and exclaimed that the assailant should be jailed for life. Yet in the same breath will insist that they would torture or murder someone who messed with their kids. What if the assailant's kids were messed with by the acid attack victims? Would it be ok then? I admit that that is a stretch but it's possible.



We all have it in us to lose it and inflict violence without thinking but most people have a mental tripswitch that prevents such things and it takes extreme measures to override it.

ShatterAlan

cj maxx wrote: »

Self defence. I think any human, no matter their outlook on life, would kill to preserve their, or their families, life.

The Holocaust proves otherwise.


Most people knowing that they are going to certain death will accept it and hope the horror will subside. Hundreds of concentration camp inmates could easily have overcome a handful of guards and torn them limb from limb but it never happened. Even if the tower guards turned the machine guns on the mob what difference would it have made. They were dead anyway.

cj maxx

tayto lover wrote: »

Three things that cause people to kill -

1. Blind rage.

2. Extreme fear - usually for yours or someone else’s life.

3. Revenge.

Add in greed

Apiarist

When I was much younger, you could put me into a uniform, give me a rifle and point to a general direction of the enemy. Thankfully, there were no enemies to kill in my time. People in Ireland are lucky to have no conscription and no military involvements.

Mr. teddywinkles

begbysback wrote: »

I’ve a few bodies under the belt meself, it’s gotten to the stage now where I don’t even bury them anymore, just leave them where they fall.

Assassin's creed don't count

frozenfrozen

all it takes for any of you to kill is to use your phone while driving, drunk, impaired, distracted, tired, bald tyres, too fast, anything

it doesn't take very much at all to kill

Mrsmum

I think, to kill, you must have given up on your own life to, at least, some extent. I don't think anything would drive me to kill as from a purely selfish pov I would presume I wouldn't get away with it and therefore my own life and that of my family, would be ruined almost as much as my victim.

Porklife

cj maxx wrote: »

Add in greed

Add in pleasure.

There are some sick people who kill because they enjoy it. True psychopaths.
Victims of Ted Bundy who managed to escape all said his eyes turned black as he was strangling them. That's because he was experiencing excitement and pleasure so his pupils dilated making his eyes seem black.

Add in drugs or mental illness. Someone slips into psychosis after taking acid and murders their girlfriend, family, stranger etc.

What a delightful thread!

Porklife

frozenfrozen wrote: »

all it takes for any of you to kill is to use your phone while driving, drunk, impaired, distracted, tired, bald tyres, too fast, anything

it doesn't take very much at all to kill

We're taking about purposely killing someone, not an accident.

Strumms

I’d kill someone to protect myself and my loved ones.

If my place was broken into, I’d take the advice of a Garda neighbor who told me years ago....

“ if they are downstairs, just call the Gardai and wait , if they come upstairs you can do what you like, throw them head first down the stairs... the law won’t touch you, can’t touch you... when they make their way to a ‘living area’ they have activated a perceived threat against you, when the Gardai arrive say the robber tried to assault you even if they didn’t get the opportunity , in the struggle to defend yourself they over balanced. Won’t be evidence to prove otherwise. “

SVI40

Read a very good book on German soldiers during the war, and why they killed:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Soldaten-Fighting-Killing-Secret-Second/dp/1849839492

Tough reading, but one part that stuck in my head was elderly police officers who asked the SS could they have a go, when the next executions were taking place. Seems quite a few would kill, if they thought they would get away with it.

FintanMcluskey

ShatterAlan wrote: »

People say this but it's generally just talk.


How often do you hear of someone killing a person who has "messed" with their kids/wife/family?



Most people aren't members of a crime gang, paramilitary organisation, drug cartel, football hooligan firm or any group that would have no compunction about doling out a severe punishment to anyone who has fcuked with one of their own.


Peoples' partners, siblings, children, loved ones get "fcuked" with all the time but revenge whether it be assault, torture or murder, is rarely if ever exacted as a response.



There was a thread earlier about an acid attack in a takeaway in Tallaght and people expressed horror and exclaimed that the assailant should be jailed for life. Yet in the same breath will insist that they would torture or murder someone who messed with their kids. What if the assailant's kids were messed with by the acid attack victims? Would it be ok then? I admit that that is a stretch but it's possible.



We all have it in us to lose it and inflict violence without thinking but most people have a mental tripswitch that prevents such things and it takes extreme measures to override it.

Absolutely.

Aside from the hard man internet stuff must of us are civilised and wouldn’t have what it takes.

Funnily enough money causes more deaths than vigilantism.

“On Killing” by Dave Grossman is an interesting book about the topic of soldiers killing in war

I wouldn't hesitate to pull a trigger or clobber someone on the head if I felt the lives of those I love, including mine, was about to be taken.
I know this with absolute certainty.

Any other situation say like an intruder rummaging around or an assault or even abuse, I wouldn't. But when the threat is to our lives then yes.

Actually not just people I love. If someone came in to where I work waving a gun around and threatening to shoot the staff I'd have no bother killing them either.

Torture is a different kettle of fish altogether. I don't have it in me to do that.

o1s1n

Strumms wrote: »

I’d kill someone to protect myself and my loved ones.

If my place was broken into, I’d take the advice of a Garda neighbor who told me years ago....

“ if they are downstairs, just call the Gardai and wait , if they come upstairs you can do what you like, throw them head first down the stairs... the law won’t touch you, can’t touch you... when they make their way to a ‘living area’ they have activated a perceived threat against you, when the Gardai arrive say the robber tried to assault you even if they didn’t get the opportunity , in the struggle to defend yourself they over balanced. Won’t be evidence to prove otherwise. “

So just make sure you drag any intruders upstairs after you've kicked seven shades of ****e out of them :pac:

Kind of like firing a shot into the ceiling after you've shot someone dead. You can't tell the order of gunshots.

'I fired a warning shot into the ceiling first Garda'