Stealing milk. MOD NOTE POST #1

auspicious

Please keep discussion civil, basically do not abuse/attack a poster, thank you


Every choice we make has an outcome. It is either positive or negative. Our choices impact the world around us. They can be insignificant or detrimental to another's wellbeing.
Advertising and societal conditioning can often, all the time, lead us to make choices which blind us to the outcomes. If we don't see the outcomes, the fallout, if we are blind to the negative repercussions, we will usually continue without thinking. Until it is pointed out.
The maternal bond begins in pregnancy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKWJBMeyxzU

-A closed thread in Current Affairs but it is an exquisitely current affair to some mothers.

nofools

Cost of soy production...talk to me

Imo grass fed dairy in ireland is better for the environment

bobbysands81

By Jesus, I feckin love milk.

nofools

auspicious wrote: »

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Advertising and societal conditioning can often, all the time, lead us to make choices which blind us to the outcomes.

Is your video not just a different form of the same thing?

nofools

nofools wrote: »

Cost of soy production...talk to me

Imo grass fed dairy in ireland is better for the environment

Oat milk we can do i suppose.

Nut milk, same problems

auspicious

Oat milk doesn't cause psychological distress to a mother though. A plant will not chase after it's offspring.

Man with broke phone

I like milk, why should I care about your agenda?

nofools

auspicious wrote: »

Oat milk doesn't cause psychological distress to a mother though. A plant will not chase after it's offspring.

More concerned about the environment.

Have been on dairy farms, cows seemed fine.

Charlie19

You'll have to be up early to steel my milk.

Atlantic Dawn

I've not drank straight milk in 10 years plus, obviously I am exposed to it as an ingredient in so many other day to day foods. I do take vitamin supplements to cover the loss of vitamins.

s1ippy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I've not drank straight milk in 10 years plus, obviously I am exposed to it as an ingredient in so many other day to day foods. I do take vitamin supplements to cover the loss of vitamins.

Foods like what out of interest

auspicious

There is no loss of vitamins from abstaining from the cruelty of milk. Calcium is more bioavailable from other food sources.
A friend of mine, a dairy farmer, had his mother spend five weeks in hospital after a cow attacked and crushed his mother protecting her newborn calf. The bond is strong and begins in pregnancy, as in any mammal.
They don't deserve the distress. The milk as in any mammal is designed for the baby. No-one else.

nofools

Why are you friends with the enemy?

Atlantic Dawn

s1ippy wrote: »

Foods like what out of interest

Chocolate, bread, most stuff with carbs.

SouthWesterly

Next thing we'll have a thread telling us not to eat meat.
Of course no one gives a hoot about the poor vegetable yanked from the nice warm earth which is full of nutrients.

punisher5112

I do it on your doorstep

Atlantic Dawn

auspicious wrote: »

There is no loss of vitamins from abstaining from the cruelty of milk. Calcium is more bioavailable from other food sources.
A friend of mine, a dairy farmer, had his mother spend five weeks in hospital after a cow attacked and crushed his mother protecting her newborn calf. The bond is strong and begins in pregnancy, as in any mammal.
They don't deserve the distress. The milk as in any mammal is designed for the baby. No-one else.

The resources to raise cows both water and food is insane, especially when we are exporting most of it and paying through our hole in carbon tax emissions to support it.

punisher5112

Pat mustard there are some very hairy babies on craggy island and I think you are the hairy baby maker.....

punisher5112

Laughing very loudly inside an old telecom eireann phone box, Collin Farrel stared Inthe phone boxx

bassy

i love the jugs

punisher5112

bassy wrote: »

i love the jugs

Serious set of jugs on her

punisher5112

Crows loved the metal caps on the bottle... They would then place pebbles in to get the milk.... Smart bird

nofools

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The resources to raise cows both water and food is insane, especially when we are exporting most of it and paying through our hole in carbon tax emissions to support it.

It depends a

Give me the case for ireland.

auspicious

We can digress and debate upon resources and carbon emissions, which by the way are in no way insignificant, it's obvious with today's information, but the fact remains that the mother is very much distressed and suffers as a consequence of the purchase by consumers of a litre of milk in a shop or supermarket etc. when alternatives are available and more than suffice.
Causing unnecessary distress for an uneccessary product is not justifiable. If it is please convince me.

Gremlinertia

Breakfast cereal makers quietly quaking in their boots now. Wonder what the thought process behind drinking another animals milk was though.. The first person to do it, why?

s1ippy

Gremlinertia wrote: »

Breakfast cereal makers quietly quaking in their boots now. Wonder what the thought process behind drinking another animals milk was though.. The first person to do it, why?

Remus, because Romulus was too slow.

nofools

auspicious wrote: »

We can digress and debate upon resources and carbon emissions, which by the way are in no way insignificant, it's obvious with today's information, but the fact remains that the mother is very much distressed and suffers as a consequence of the purchase by consumers of a litre of milk in a shop or supermarket etc. when alternatives are available and more than suffice.
Causing unnecessary distress for an uneccessary product is not justifiable. If it is please convince me.

In the case of ireland where grass grows and water falls it is better than importing soy or nut milks premade and heavy from the likes of holland or the uk.

Protecting the environment means less dehabitation and plenty of animal suffering.

Less emotion and more thinking

s1ippy

Presumably the best solution then would be to grow predominantly oats instead of keeping grass for cattle, because it's possible to produce milk from oats.

Atlantic Dawn

nofools wrote: »

It depends a

Give me the case for ireland.

Would be less financially damaging if we got farmers not directly supplying Ireland with meat to instead grow hemp to make rope with. I shouldn't be paying carbon tax on the emissions on my car for essential journeys while some arsehole is supplying meat to a plate in China when they could produce the same product there much more sustainably.

nofools

s1ippy wrote: »

Presumably the best solution then would be to grow predominantly oats instead of keeping grass for cattle, because it's possible to produce milk from oats.

Yeah maybe...i would turn my attention to ending human suffering first though

Pro choice, i like butter and real milk myself

auspicious

auspicious wrote: »

Oat milk doesn't cause psychological distress to a mother though. A plant will not chase after it's offspring.

And the animals that are forced from their habitats/killed for said plant to grow?