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Nations cup November 2020 GENERAL THREAD

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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,284 ✭✭✭ lertsnim


    Has a broadcaster been announced yet for the non Ireland games? All I've heard so far is Prime Video are UK broadcasters.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,163 ✭✭✭ Burkie1203


    lertsnim wrote: »
    Has a broadcaster been announced yet for the non Ireland games? All I've heard so far is Prime Video are UK broadcasters.

    Channel 4 have all the Ireland games IIRC


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    lertsnim wrote: »
    Has a broadcaster been announced yet for the non Ireland games? All I've heard so far is Prime Video are UK broadcasters.
    Amazon Prime is the main broadcaster.

    Some matches will be available to watch on terrestrial television. Channel 4 (and RTE in Ireland) will show Ireland’s fixtures as well,
    Channel 4 will also show highlights from all rounds.

    Every Wales match will also be shown on S4C


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭ Digifriendly


    Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭ UAEguy2020


    It’s a chance to at least build some momentum before the 6N and a chance to put the loss at the weekend behind us.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,716 ✭✭✭ Utah_Saint


    Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

    If they roll out mostly the same players that played in the 6N then yes. This is the perfect chance to try out new combinations.


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,564 ✭✭✭✭ Buer


    Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

    I'm actually pretty excited about it. Doesn't have the pressure of the 6N so we should be able to try out some new combinations and caps but there's still something to play for. Reminds me of a more elite Churchill Cup which was always good fun.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭ UAEguy2020


    I think Ireland’s big issue this 6N has been the lack of a distributor at centre/fullback, Ringrose or maybe Carbery at 15 are the obvious players who can fill those roles when fit but right now I would be looking at Chris Farrell at 13 as he has the best hands of all the centre’s we currently have and could at least provide something different at 13 to Henshaw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭ Squidgy Black


    I'll always be excited for international rugby to be honest.

    With the fact that this doesn't affect world cup rankings at all, will be hoping for a lot of outside players to get a chance against the likes of Fiji and Georgia, and maybe some new combos against the bigger teams.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭ UAEguy2020


    I think it does effect the world rankings, it’s just the world rankings don’t mean anything as there is no World Cup draw go build our ranking up towards.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    I'll always be excited for international rugby to be honest.

    With the fact that this doesn't affect world cup rankings at all, will be hoping for a lot of outside players to get a chance against the likes of Fiji and Georgia, and maybe some new combos against the bigger teams.
    You would hope that but will it happen enough?
    UAEguy2020 wrote: »
    I think it does effect the world rankings, it’s just the world rankings don’t mean anything as there is no World Cup draw go build our ranking up towards.
    All games effect the rankings but squidgy just said they dont affect anything about a world cup draw.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,213 ✭✭✭✭ bilston


    I think the games will be a bit like world cup warm up matches, but hopefully we will see a bit of rotation.

    Is there a separate squad from the 6Ns to be announced, or will it just be the same group of players?


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,517 Mod ✭✭✭✭ icdg


    Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

    At present the lack of tv coverage in Ireland for this tournament is a bit of a downer - the IRFU seem to be intent on treating this as a “Guinness Series” and disregarding the tournament aspect completely. As it is the only way for viewers in the Republic to watch non-Ireland games is Wales matches on S4C - for those lucky enough to have it - with Welsh commentary (better than nothing I guess). It may be this will be resolved but it’s still a disappointing situation and different to the festival of international rugby we normally get.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭ UAEguy2020


    You would hope that but will it happen enough?

    All games effect the rankings but squidgy just said they dont affect anything about a world cup draw.


    Yeah exactly.


    Wales have got to be one of the luckiest teams ever when it comes to ranking, the are now top seeds when they could so easily have been 3rd seeds the way things have gone. Down to 8th in the world and much closer to Japan in 9th than Scotland in 7th.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭ UAEguy2020


    bilston wrote: »
    I think the games will be a bit like world cup warm up matches, but hopefully we will see a bit of rotation.

    Is there a separate squad from the 6Ns to be announced, or will it just be the same group of players?


    A little except there is no world cup coming up so the players wont have injuries to worry about and will give it their all.


    For the most part it will be but I assume more players will be called up for this match.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 180 ✭✭ WhoamI2022


    So this fixtures

    Fri 13 Nov
    Ireland
    v
    Wales
    Aviva Stadium

    Sat 21 Nov
    England
    v
    Ireland
    Twickenham Stadium

    Sun 29 Nov
    Ireland
    v
    Georgia
    Aviva Stadium


    December 2020
    Sat 5 Dec
    Ireland
    v
    TBC
    Aviva Stadium


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,568 ✭✭✭✭ partyjungle


    Four weeks of international rugby. I'll take it.

    What makes people think we won't be fielding full strength teams? Might be some rotation against Georgia if there are no bonus points. Is there bonus points? I don't see anything about them. I don't think there are.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭ thomond2006


    Georgia will likely see 10 or so changes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Four weeks of international rugby. I'll take it.

    What makes people think we won't be fielding full strength teams? Might be some rotation against Georgia if there are no bonus points. Is there bonus points? I don't see anything about them. I don't think there are.
    There will be plenty rotation against Georgia.
    There is usual bonus points, for 4 tries and lose by 7

    https://www.autumnnationscup.com/about-us/


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,568 ✭✭✭✭ partyjungle


    Georgia will likely see 10 or so changes.

    People expect the same thing against Italy every year but it rarely happens


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,027 ✭✭✭✭ Squidgy Black


    People expect the same thing against Italy every year but it rarely happens

    This is more akin to the summer games against other tier 2 nations though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,568 ✭✭✭✭ partyjungle


    This is more akin to the summer games against other tier 2 nations though.

    If they had no bearing on the final


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭ Boscoirl


    "A Tied Match:

    In the event of a tie at full-time in a play-off Match, the teams will be placed according to the number of tries (including penalty tries) scored by each such team in the play-off Match. If the teams have scored the same number of tries (including penalty tries), then the team that has conceded the fewest number of penalties during the play-off Match shall prevail. If two Participating teams are still tied, then the Participating team whose team is ranked highest in the official World Rugby rankings as at 12 November 2020 shall prevail."

    While highly unlikely it'll come to it, what a crappy way to decide a game


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,163 ✭✭✭ Burkie1203


    Boscoirl wrote: »
    "A Tied Match:

    In the event of a tie at full-time in a play-off Match, the teams will be placed according to the number of tries (including penalty tries) scored by each such team in the play-off Match. If the teams have scored the same number of tries (including penalty tries), then the team that has conceded the fewest number of penalties during the play-off Match shall prevail. If two Participating teams are still tied, then the Participating team whose team is ranked highest in the official World Rugby rankings as at 12 November 2020 shall prevail."

    While highly unlikely it'll come to it, what a crappy way to decide a game



    A tight 5 penalty shootout would be far better


  • Subscribers Posts: 36,219 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    People expect the same thing against Italy every year but it rarely happens

    there is absolutely no comparison between a 6 nations game against italy, in which we invariably have to rack up a lot for points difference.... to any of these autumn games.

    it is a completely meaningless competition which is perfect to try new players / play existing 'out of form' / 'back from injury' players in.....

    our front line players are after coming from about 6 weeks of constant high level games.... will be facing into Heineken cup games come the second week of december and starting the 2021 6 nations in 8 weeks after that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭ The Lost Sheep


    Boscoirl wrote: »
    "A Tied Match:

    In the event of a tie at full-time in a play-off Match, the teams will be placed according to the number of tries (including penalty tries) scored by each such team in the play-off Match. If the teams have scored the same number of tries (including penalty tries), then the team that has conceded the fewest number of penalties during the play-off Match shall prevail. If two Participating teams are still tied, then the Participating team whose team is ranked highest in the official World Rugby rankings as at 12 November 2020 shall prevail."

    While highly unlikely it'll come to it, what a crappy way to decide a game
    Quite similar to how domestic rugby games here are decided which is team with most tries, if team have scored equal number of tries it goes to first try then first team to score.

    Could be worse it could be toss of a coin.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,568 ✭✭✭✭ partyjungle


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    there is absolutely no comparison between a 6 nations game against italy, in which we invariably have to rack up a lot for points difference.... to any of these autumn games.

    it is a completely meaningless competition which is perfect to try new players / play existing 'out of form' / 'back from injury' players in.....

    our front line players are after coming from about 6 weeks of constant high level games.... will be facing into Heineken cup games come the second week of december and starting the 2021 6 nations in 8 weeks after that.

    I'll believe it when I see it. Autumn internationals are essentially meaningless competitions yet we always go out to win them. I reckon every match will be full strength with maybe the exception of Georgia but even still we'd want to be guaranteed the four tries.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 33,061 Mod ✭✭✭✭ pickarooney


    bilston wrote: »
    I think the games will be a bit like world cup warm up matches, but hopefully we will see a bit of rotation.

    Is there a separate squad from the 6Ns to be announced, or will it just be the same group of players?

    There's nothing I hate more than world cup warm up matches. Watching a meaningless game through your fingers wondering which of your star players is going to get crocked before the tournament - not for me!


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,429 ✭✭✭✭ Cookiemunster


    I'll believe it when I see it. Autumn internationals are essentially meaningless competitions yet we always go out to win them. I reckon every match will be full strength with maybe the exception of Georgia but even still we'd want to be guaranteed the four tries.

    We alway make wholesale changes for the tier 2 nations we play in the AIs. I'd expect the same for the Georgia game.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 10,517 Mod ✭✭✭✭ icdg


    Some good news on the TV rights front:

    Premier Sports have secured the Irish rights to all games not involving Ireland, so we will be able to see these thankfully.

    Ryle Nugent to anchor, something he hasn’t done in a good while, with Rob Kearney in the studio.

    https://www.premiersports.com/autumn-nations-cup


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