Nations cup November 2020 GENERAL THREAD

Burkie1203

It's off to a cracking start

https://twitter.com/IlltudDafydd/status/1323242251066159105?s=19

lertsnim

Has a broadcaster been announced yet for the non Ireland games? All I've heard so far is Prime Video are UK broadcasters.

Burkie1203

lertsnim wrote: »

Has a broadcaster been announced yet for the non Ireland games? All I've heard so far is Prime Video are UK broadcasters.

Channel 4 have all the Ireland games IIRC

The Lost Sheep

lertsnim wrote: »

Has a broadcaster been announced yet for the non Ireland games? All I've heard so far is Prime Video are UK broadcasters.

Amazon Prime is the main broadcaster.

Some matches will be available to watch on terrestrial television. Channel 4 (and RTE in Ireland) will show Ireland’s fixtures as well,
Channel 4 will also show highlights from all rounds.

Every Wales match will also be shown on S4C

Digifriendly

Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

UAEguy2020

It’s a chance to at least build some momentum before the 6N and a chance to put the loss at the weekend behind us.

Utah_Saint

Digifriendly wrote: »

Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

If they roll out mostly the same players that played in the 6N then yes. This is the perfect chance to try out new combinations.

Buer

Digifriendly wrote: »

Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

I'm actually pretty excited about it. Doesn't have the pressure of the 6N so we should be able to try out some new combinations and caps but there's still something to play for. Reminds me of a more elite Churchill Cup which was always good fun.

UAEguy2020

I think Ireland’s big issue this 6N has been the lack of a distributor at centre/fullback, Ringrose or maybe Carbery at 15 are the obvious players who can fill those roles when fit but right now I would be looking at Chris Farrell at 13 as he has the best hands of all the centre’s we currently have and could at least provide something different at 13 to Henshaw.

Squidgy Black

I'll always be excited for international rugby to be honest.

With the fact that this doesn't affect world cup rankings at all, will be hoping for a lot of outside players to get a chance against the likes of Fiji and Georgia, and maybe some new combos against the bigger teams.

UAEguy2020

I think it does effect the world rankings, it’s just the world rankings don’t mean anything as there is no World Cup draw go build our ranking up towards.

The Lost Sheep

Squidgy Black wrote: »

I'll always be excited for international rugby to be honest.

With the fact that this doesn't affect world cup rankings at all, will be hoping for a lot of outside players to get a chance against the likes of Fiji and Georgia, and maybe some new combos against the bigger teams.

You would hope that but will it happen enough?

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

I think it does effect the world rankings, it’s just the world rankings don’t mean anything as there is no World Cup draw go build our ranking up towards.

All games effect the rankings but squidgy just said they dont affect anything about a world cup draw.

bilston

I think the games will be a bit like world cup warm up matches, but hopefully we will see a bit of rotation.

Is there a separate squad from the 6Ns to be announced, or will it just be the same group of players?

icdg

Digifriendly wrote: »

Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

At present the lack of tv coverage in Ireland for this tournament is a bit of a downer - the IRFU seem to be intent on treating this as a “Guinness Series” and disregarding the tournament aspect completely. As it is the only way for viewers in the Republic to watch non-Ireland games is Wales matches on S4C - for those lucky enough to have it - with Welsh commentary (better than nothing I guess). It may be this will be resolved but it’s still a disappointing situation and different to the festival of international rugby we normally get.

UAEguy2020

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You would hope that but will it happen enough?

All games effect the rankings but squidgy just said they dont affect anything about a world cup draw.

Yeah exactly.


Wales have got to be one of the luckiest teams ever when it comes to ranking, the are now top seeds when they could so easily have been 3rd seeds the way things have gone. Down to 8th in the world and much closer to Japan in 9th than Scotland in 7th.

UAEguy2020

bilston wrote: »

I think the games will be a bit like world cup warm up matches, but hopefully we will see a bit of rotation.

Is there a separate squad from the 6Ns to be announced, or will it just be the same group of players?

A little except there is no world cup coming up so the players wont have injuries to worry about and will give it their all.


For the most part it will be but I assume more players will be called up for this match.

WhoamI2022

So this fixtures

Fri 13 Nov
Ireland
v
Wales
Aviva Stadium

Sat 21 Nov
England
v
Ireland
Twickenham Stadium

Sun 29 Nov
Ireland
v
Georgia
Aviva Stadium


December 2020
Sat 5 Dec
Ireland
v
TBC
Aviva Stadium

Four weeks of international rugby. I'll take it.

What makes people think we won't be fielding full strength teams? Might be some rotation against Georgia if there are no bonus points. Is there bonus points? I don't see anything about them. I don't think there are.

thomond2006

Georgia will likely see 10 or so changes.

The Lost Sheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Four weeks of international rugby. I'll take it.

What makes people think we won't be fielding full strength teams? Might be some rotation against Georgia if there are no bonus points. Is there bonus points? I don't see anything about them. I don't think there are.

There will be plenty rotation against Georgia.
There is usual bonus points, for 4 tries and lose by 7

https://www.autumnnationscup.com/about-us/

thomond2006

thomond2006 wrote: »

Georgia will likely see 10 or so changes.

People expect the same thing against Italy every year but it rarely happens

Squidgy Black

[Deleted User] wrote: »

People expect the same thing against Italy every year but it rarely happens

This is more akin to the summer games against other tier 2 nations though.

Squidgy Black

Squidgy Black wrote: »

This is more akin to the summer games against other tier 2 nations though.

If they had no bearing on the final

Boscoirl

"A Tied Match:

In the event of a tie at full-time in a play-off Match, the teams will be placed according to the number of tries (including penalty tries) scored by each such team in the play-off Match. If the teams have scored the same number of tries (including penalty tries), then the team that has conceded the fewest number of penalties during the play-off Match shall prevail. If two Participating teams are still tied, then the Participating team whose team is ranked highest in the official World Rugby rankings as at 12 November 2020 shall prevail."

While highly unlikely it'll come to it, what a crappy way to decide a game

Burkie1203

Boscoirl wrote: »

"A Tied Match:

In the event of a tie at full-time in a play-off Match, the teams will be placed according to the number of tries (including penalty tries) scored by each such team in the play-off Match. If the teams have scored the same number of tries (including penalty tries), then the team that has conceded the fewest number of penalties during the play-off Match shall prevail. If two Participating teams are still tied, then the Participating team whose team is ranked highest in the official World Rugby rankings as at 12 November 2020 shall prevail."

While highly unlikely it'll come to it, what a crappy way to decide a game

A tight 5 penalty shootout would be far better

sydthebeat

Deleted User wrote: »

People expect the same thing against Italy every year but it rarely happens

there is absolutely no comparison between a 6 nations game against italy, in which we invariably have to rack up a lot for points difference.... to any of these autumn games.

it is a completely meaningless competition which is perfect to try new players / play existing 'out of form' / 'back from injury' players in.....

our front line players are after coming from about 6 weeks of constant high level games.... will be facing into Heineken cup games come the second week of december and starting the 2021 6 nations in 8 weeks after that.

The Lost Sheep

Boscoirl wrote: »

"A Tied Match:

In the event of a tie at full-time in a play-off Match, the teams will be placed according to the number of tries (including penalty tries) scored by each such team in the play-off Match. If the teams have scored the same number of tries (including penalty tries), then the team that has conceded the fewest number of penalties during the play-off Match shall prevail. If two Participating teams are still tied, then the Participating team whose team is ranked highest in the official World Rugby rankings as at 12 November 2020 shall prevail."

While highly unlikely it'll come to it, what a crappy way to decide a game

Quite similar to how domestic rugby games here are decided which is team with most tries, if team have scored equal number of tries it goes to first try then first team to score.

Could be worse it could be toss of a coin.

sydthebeat

sydthebeat wrote: »

there is absolutely no comparison between a 6 nations game against italy, in which we invariably have to rack up a lot for points difference.... to any of these autumn games.

it is a completely meaningless competition which is perfect to try new players / play existing 'out of form' / 'back from injury' players in.....

our front line players are after coming from about 6 weeks of constant high level games.... will be facing into Heineken cup games come the second week of december and starting the 2021 6 nations in 8 weeks after that.

I'll believe it when I see it. Autumn internationals are essentially meaningless competitions yet we always go out to win them. I reckon every match will be full strength with maybe the exception of Georgia but even still we'd want to be guaranteed the four tries.

pickarooney

bilston wrote: »

I think the games will be a bit like world cup warm up matches, but hopefully we will see a bit of rotation.

Is there a separate squad from the 6Ns to be announced, or will it just be the same group of players?

There's nothing I hate more than world cup warm up matches. Watching a meaningless game through your fingers wondering which of your star players is going to get crocked before the tournament - not for me!

Cookiemunster

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'll believe it when I see it. Autumn internationals are essentially meaningless competitions yet we always go out to win them. I reckon every match will be full strength with maybe the exception of Georgia but even still we'd want to be guaranteed the four tries.

We alway make wholesale changes for the tier 2 nations we play in the AIs. I'd expect the same for the Georgia game.

icdg

Some good news on the TV rights front:

Premier Sports have secured the Irish rights to all games not involving Ireland, so we will be able to see these thankfully.

Ryle Nugent to anchor, something he hasn’t done in a good while, with Rob Kearney in the studio.

https://www.premiersports.com/autumn-nations-cup

Digifriendly

icdg wrote: »

Some good news on the TV rights front:

Premier Sports have secured the Irish rights to all games not involving Ireland, so we will be able to see these thankfully.

Ryle Nugent to anchor, something he hasn’t done in a good while, with Rob Kearney in the studio.

https://www.premiersports.com/autumn-nations-cup

This seems a reasonable deal for viewers in ROI. To see all games live here in N. Ireland you need Amazon Prime subscription. Not expensive by any means but I would still prefer a channel which you could record from.

bilston

Digifriendly wrote: »

This seems a reasonable deal for viewers in ROI. To see all games live here in N. Ireland you need Amazon Prime subscription. Not expensive by any means but I would still prefer a channel which you could record from.

I've wondered that about about recordings.

I still have all the matches from the 2018 GS recorded on my Sky Box...but if in the future the likes of Amazon got the rights you wouldn't be able to do that.

I assume the streams will remain available on Amazon for a few days after the matches have been played?

Burkie1203

Flaky Finn and Adam Hastings are both injured. Not great for Scotland

icdg

bilston wrote: »

I assume the streams will remain available on Amazon for a few days after the matches have been played?

Depends on the rights I guess. Tennis seems to stay up but NFL is strictly watch live.

sydthebeat

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Flaky Finn and Adam Hastings are both injured. Not great for Scotland

No neck dunky next cab off the rank??

Van der Walt qualifies in time for the game, but he's gone to SA for his wedding, and will have to quarantine for 14 days which will bring him past the 16th

bilston

icdg wrote: »

Depends on the rights I guess. Tennis seems to stay up but NFL is strictly watch live.

I'm trying to remember what they did with their EPL coverage last December, anyone remember if the matches stayed up for a few days.

Strictly live is rubbish in this day and age!

randomname2005

Digifriendly wrote: »

This seems a reasonable deal for viewers in ROI. To see all games live here in N. Ireland you need Amazon Prime subscription. Not expensive by any means but I would still prefer a channel which you could record from.

You would probably need to be a sky subscriber, not sure if NowTV packs will work for this (going on previous experience with Pro14)

Boscoirl

I presume prime will be geo locked to the uk?

Squidgy Black

Boscoirl wrote: »

I presume prime will be geo locked to the uk?

They will for the home games for us I'd imagine as rRTE have the rights, the England game is a prime exclusive though and isn't being shown on RTE so would assume it'll be available for that

lertsnim

Squidgy Black wrote: »

They will for the home games for us I'd imagine as rRTE have the rights, the England game is a prime exclusive though and isn't being shown on RTE so would assume it'll be available for that

England v Ireland is live on RTE 1 and Channel 4.

Digifriendly

C4 have highlights programme of first weekend of matches on Sun. 15th Nov. at 11.00pm.

icdg

randomname2005 wrote: »

You would probably need to be a sky subscriber, not sure if NowTV packs will work for this (going on previous experience with Pro14)

Different situation. With the Pro14, Premier Sports only hold UK rights and so their coverage is blocked in Ireland. With the Autumn Nations Cup, Premier Sports only hold ROI rights, and their coverage will be blocked in the U.K. This is because Premier Sports don’t operate separate UK and Irish services, they block individual programmes where they are required to and don’t hold the rights in both states.

Will definitely watch all of this but not hugely excited about it

Mango Joe

Digifriendly wrote: »

Is anyone else like me? I can get no enthusiasm for this tournament whatsoever. The previous 6N has just concluded and next one is just 3 months away yet we have same teams playing each other plus Georgia and Fiji with no spectators at the games.

I really cannot understand how a rugby fan could complain about having International Rugby to look forward to at 7pm on a Friday night after finishing a weeks work?????

You're searching really hard to find something to complain about there - I'll be looking forward to this and couldn't give a damn if there's 50 or 50,000 people in the stands.

Also are you really complaining about the timing when its all COVID delays?

Digifriendly

Mango Joe wrote: »

I really cannot understand how a rugby fan could complain about having International Rugby to look forward to at 7pm on a Friday night after finishing a weeks work?????

You're searching really hard to find something to complain about there - I'll be looking forward to this and couldn't give a damn if there's 50 or 50,000 people in the stands.

Also are you really complaining about the timing when its all COVID delays?

Let me give you 4 replies:
(1) My job does not entail Mon-Friday work with weekends totally free as for other people.
(2) I'm not complaining simply stating that this particular tournament does not excite me the way the AI's usually do.
(3) I wish there were spectators at these games. Fact that they're aren't makes them less appealing to me as a viewer with no proper atmosphere. Wales vs Scotland and France vs Ireland were clear examples of this lack of atmosphere.
(4) I understand the timing but with 6N only a few months away we're going to be seeing teams playing each other in a more competitive tournament shortly anyway.
To sum up - yes better than nothing I agree but I'm not that excited that's all and I guess I'm not the only one.

UAEguy2020

Mango Joe wrote: »

I really cannot understand how a rugby fan could complain about having International Rugby to look forward to at 7pm on a Friday night after finishing a weeks work?????

You're searching really hard to find something to complain about there - I'll be looking forward to this and couldn't give a damn if there's 50 or 50,000 people in the stands.

Also are you really complaining about the timing when its all COVID delays?

Ive been dreading it all week :mad: I much rather go home and do nothing.

Dog Botherer

i think it will be nice and fun

Digifriendly

Lack of posts in this thread suggests a certain lack of enthusiasm about what is about to happen.

Ireland Team Talk thread is occupying all the chatter

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll believe it when I see it. Autumn internationals are essentially meaningless competitions yet we always go out to win them. I reckon every match will be full strength with maybe the exception of Georgia but even still we'd want to be guaranteed the four tries.

I believe it now