Covid 19 Part XXVIII- 71,942 ROI(2,050 deaths) 51,824 NI (983 deaths) (28/11) Read OP

rob316

Reduce the time limit further? This is beyond ridiculous.

KrustyUCC

seamus wrote: »

Well, this is unexpected.

Yesterday's swab data has been revised.

The number of positive swabs is the same, but the number of tests has been increaed by 50%.

There were 12,439 tests carried out yesterday, 271 positive, giving a p-rate of 2.18%. 7-day rate is now down to 2.65%

So what was confusing and slightly worrying, is now in fact excellent news.

That's good news

I do wonder how they managed to miscount 4420 tests from the original total of 8019

ACitizenErased

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's good news

I do wonder how they managed to miscount 4420 tests from the original total of 8019

Maybe they didn't include hospital tests in the total? 4200 hospital tests done yesterday

Mitch Connor

KrustyUCC wrote: »

That's good news

I do wonder how they managed to miscount 4420 tests from the original total of 8019

fraud on a massive scale, I assume.:pac:

KrustyUCC

Incompetence more than fraud

getting something 50% wrong is poor no matter what happened

KrustyUCC

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Maybe they didn't include hospital tests in the total? 4200 hospital tests done yesterday

Yeah maybe

Still a poor mistake to make

TonyMaloney

Much like a lot of you here, this government has learned nothing.

We're just going to repeat the cycle at least one more time. This move is neither good for public health or the economy. It's good for people who are gasping for a pint and that's about it.

I'd much rather see the sections of our economy that should not be open at the moment because they simply cannot operate in a safe manner, being given significantly more financial support so that they can survive the winter.
It would be a lot cheaper and safer than having to return to harsh restrictions at some point in the future.

paw patrol

eagle eye wrote: »

So what about people who are working and don't want to be around people going to places like pubs and the likes? Are they supposed to give up their jobs?

Are these people not a risk as they are now?
If you work in an office that is open , you are already mixing with non household people - house party people, gym people, tinder hook up people etc..
You are proposing changing the lives of everybody to protect a few who may not actually exist.

If you leave the house you are at risk every day of your life - the state shouldn't mollycoddle every irrational fear a citizen may have. Your fear isn't my responsibility and certainly my life shouldnt be impacted by your fear.

Finally, if they really hate/fear the job that much , they could get another.

AssetBacked2

Great to see the IT publishing an opinion piece lambasting the non-data based advice from NPHET and the mob who surround them with respect to pubs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/anti-alcohol-zeal-of-public-health-experts-peppers-reopening-debate-1.4420492

Some great quotes which are perfect to describe the hystertics around pubs;

The fact that an anti-alcohol industry event drawing doctors from across the globe would be among the precious few to go ahead, right as the world entered a virus crisis, demonstrates the almost messianic zeal with which some public health officials view their mission to fight drink consumption.

Since March, a similar kind of anti-alcohol zeal has repeatedly bled into the public debate over how to handle the pandemic, restrict public activity or reopen the economy and society. We are in the middle of it now, once again, with the discussion over how or even if to open the pub sector for Christmas.

There is anecdotal evidence globally that indoor alcohol-serving venues have been a factor in virus transmission. The theory seems perfectly logical: pubs are indoor environments where people are less inhibited, so the virus can spread.

But despite the obviousness of this argument, the statistical evidence for widespread transmission due to alcohol consumption is strangely flimsy at best

Rarely have we seen ministers and public health officials so exercised as when they were excoriating young people for drinking in Dame Lane, Berlin Bar, South William Street and Grafton Street in Dublin, or on the streets of Galway, where a senator once called for soldiers to be deployed to control students for Freshers’ Week.

When the history of this pandemic is written in future, it may well turn out to be the case that alcohol consumption is proven to be a major factor in its transmission and that Ireland benefited by continually limiting alcohol sales. Or it may not. The data has not yet been presented to support the theory.

ednwireland

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Welding the doors of peoples houses shut

my doors wood :eek:

AssetBacked2

seamus wrote: »

Well, this is unexpected.

Yesterday's swab data has been revised.

The number of positive swabs is the same, but the number of tests has been increaed by 50%.

There were 12,439 tests carried out yesterday, 271 positive, giving a p-rate of 2.18%. 7-day rate is now down to 2.65%

So what was confusing and slightly worrying, is now in fact excellent news.

Funny coincidence that it comes the day NPHET advice was discussed at the cabinet sub-committee.

Utter gowls.

seamus

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Maybe they didn't include hospital tests in the total? 4200 hospital tests done yesterday

Someone noted yesterday that hospital numbers were abnormally high, so it's probably the opposite - half of the private lab numbers weren't included in the figures and were only noticed when that person got into work this morning.

Plumbthedepths

TonyMaloney wrote: »

Much like a lot of you here, this government has learned nothing.

We're just going to repeat the cycle at least one more time. This move is neither good for public health or the economy. It's good for people who are gasping for a pint and that's about it.

I'd much rather see the sections of our economy that should not be open at the moment because they simply cannot operate in a safe manner, being given significantly more financial support so that they can survive the winter.
It would be a lot cheaper and safer than having to return to harsh restrictions at some point in the future.

This gagging for a pint narrative is really wearing thin at this stage. Alcohol has been freely available throughout. Who ultimately pays for these supports you want to throw around?

ACitizenErased

ednwireland wrote: »

my doors wood :eek:

You're being added to the 'list'

owlbethere

The case numbers did not come down to as low as where NHPET needed them to be for a safe Christmas. We need double digits as in under 100. The government is still going to open up and ease level 5. They have to at this stage. Especially retail coming up to Christmas. More than likely the government will say businesses can open from December Dec Ist. That's on Tuesday. What's the point dragging it out til then. Can they not give them the go ahead to open from tomorrow? It's not going to make a bit of difference on the numbers.

KrustyUCC

Good old Sam being rolled out by RTE again

A specialist in infectious diseases has warned "we risk going backwards" if non-essential retail and pubs and restaurants are reopened and family gatherings are allowed all at the same time.

Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne, Professor Sam McConkey said significant public health investment is needed to keep the number of cases down and allow greater focus on those who have the disease and less on the general population.

He advised people who want to travel to see their loved ones over Christmas to "treat themselves like a close contact" and self-isolate for two weeks before they visit.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/1127/1180832-coronavirus-blog/

ACitizenErased

RTE can **** off after their little shindig - they've no right to lecture anyone.

xabi

ednwireland wrote: »

my doors wood :eek:

Wood glue will be used in that case.

TonyMaloney

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This gagging for a pint narrative is really wearing thin at this stage. Alcohol has been freely available throughout. Who ultimately pays for these supports you want to throw around?

There's a big difference in sitting in your gaf drinking some cans on your own or with your significant other, and going to the pub for a rake load of pints.
I miss it too.

Ultimately we would all pay for supporting the hospitality sector. But we'll also all pay for lockdowns or harsh restrictions. And they're much more costly.

MOR316

ACitizenErased wrote: »

You're being added to the 'list'

Ay up, Chris Jericho has logged in

stephenjmcd

Looking like Tuesday now instead of Wednesday to reopen retail

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332282761122607105?s=19

KrustyUCC

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

This gagging for a pint narrative is really wearing thin at this stage. Alcohol has been freely available throughout. Who ultimately pays for these supports you want to throw around?

Taxpayer as usual

Also if restaurants and gastro pubs weren't opened the only difference between levels 5 and 3 would be non essential retail open and stay within your county until December 18th

FinglasFollain

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Great to see the IT publishing an opinion piece lambasting the non-data based advice from NPHET and the mob who surround them with respect to pubs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/anti-alcohol-zeal-of-public-health-experts-peppers-reopening-debate-1.4420492

Some great quotes which are perfect to describe the hystertics around pubs;

It's a good piece. It doesn't argue alcohol and pubs absolutely aren't a problem which is fair and shows the piece isn't shrouded in pre-conceptions and bias. There has been a bizarre reaction practically labelling people as pint-thirsty drunks for wanting hospitality businesses to reopen. Personal biases around alcohol has absolutely influenced this, and I'd go as far to say this is partly the case in NPHET (see Mary Favier's comments)

Pubs (and restaurants to a lesser extent) have seemed to become the battleground for the prolonged lockdown crowd who think them reopening will directly cause deaths. I'd argue that if pubs weren't the issue, it'd be something like shopping centres, churches or schools. We love a blame game. Alcohol is the easy option.

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Looking like Tuesday now instead of Wednesday to reopen retail

https://twitter.com/MichealLehane/status/1332282761122607105?s=19

Yes midnight on Monday night as opposed to Tuesday night

Moms hairdresser had already text to say they will open the minute they're allowed to

caveat emptor

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Great to see the IT publishing an opinion piece lambasting the non-data based advice from NPHET and the mob who surround them with respect to pubs.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/anti-alcohol-zeal-of-public-health-experts-peppers-reopening-debate-1.4420492

Some great quotes which are perfect to describe the hysterics around pubs;

You know what they say about opinions They are like assholes, everybody has one.

Do you know what they say about opinion pieces? They are a form of clickbait to support the newspapers diminishing ad revenue.

Virtually all of his pieces are geared towards opening up. Being a business correspondent that's his lot.

stephenjmcd

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Yes midnight on Monday night as opposed to Tuesday night

Moms hairdresser had already text to say they will open the minute they're allowed to

Yeah expectation was up to midnight Tuesday and open Wednesday. Looks like we're trying to decide which night is midnight again

CIARAN_BOYLE

owlbethere wrote: »

The case numbers did not come down to as low as where NHPET needed them to be for a safe Christmas. We need double digits as in under 100. The government is still going to open up and ease level 5. They have to at this stage. Especially retail coming up to Christmas. More than likely the government will say businesses can open from December Dec Ist. That's on Tuesday. What's the point dragging it out til then. Can they not give them the go ahead to open from tomorrow? It's not going to make a bit of difference on the numbers.

Well they committed to level 5 until the 1st.

Retail bodies begged for notice. How many times did we hear Nphet asked in press briefings. When do you give advice to government. It's not fair if you give them advice and they dont have time to get ready for opening up.

So they are getting it.

AssetBacked2

caveat emptor wrote: »

You know what they say about opinions They are like assholes, everybody has one.

Do you know what they say about opinion pieces? They are a form of clickbait to support the newspapers diminishing ad revenue.

Virtually all of his pieces are geared towards opening up. Being a business correspondent that's his lot.

What a horrible post this is.

Attacking the journalist rather than the article.

You sound like a lovely person, just like all doomers :rolleyes:

TonyMaloney

caveat emptor wrote: »

You know what they say about opinions They are like assholes, everybody has one.

Do you know what they say about opinion pieces? They are a form of clickbait to support the newspapers diminishing ad revenue.

Virtually all of his pieces are geared towards opening up. Being a business correspondent that's his lot.

Mark Paul is Business Affairs Correspondent with The Irish Times and writes the Caveat column

Hmmmm, something you're not telling us?

ixoy

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Speaking on RTÉ's Today with Claire Byrne, Professor Sam McConkey said significant public health investment is needed to keep the number of cases down and allow greater focus on those who have the disease and less on the general population.

What exactly would the increase in funds to public health achieve to keep cases down? Treating a rise in cases, sure, but to keep them down? Enhanced contact tracing or mass testing?