Tesla Model 3 - V3.0

Vinnymcdonnell

ELM327 wrote: »

I'm sure plenty of people will be along to tell you not to worry!

My concern is only that you would be getting an inferior product which is cheaper for Tesla to make yet paying the price of the more expensive prior model.

Inferior product? The stuff coming from the states isn't exactly great quality anyway with lots of QC issues. I would expect the Chinese stuff to be of a better finish actually, paint quality should be much improved as they do not have to adhere to terms of the states apparently anyway.
There may be some concerns with battery, but as stated not new tech and you do have the 8year warranty on them too.

ELM327

Vinnymcdonnell wrote: »

Inferior product? The stuff coming from the states isn't exactly great quality anyway with lots of QC issues. I would expect the Chinese stuff to be of a better finish actually, paint quality should be much improved as they do not have to adhere to terms of the states apparently anyway.
There may be some concerns with battery, but as stated not new tech and you do have the 8year warranty on them too.

It is an inferior product with a worse quality, heavier, less efficient and slower charging battery - along with reported issues around high and low SOC and cold weather charging.

AndyBoBandy

ELM327 wrote: »

It is an inferior product with a worse quality, heavier, less efficient and slower charging battery - along with reported issues around high and low SOC and cold weather charging.

but with 18km more range than the battery coming from the same car from Freemont.

ELM327

Does it matter if it charges slower and is less efficient?

Aph2016

ELM327 wrote: »

It is an inferior product with a worse quality, heavier, less efficient and slower charging battery - along with reported issues around high and low SOC and cold weather charging.

Just so we're clear, you're talking about the battery on the SR+ from China.

In terms of build quality, I've been told by a Tesla rep in Ireland that the MIC version is better build quality in general over Fremont.

ELM327

Those folks in sandyford havent a clue. They are the last to be told anything.

Sam W

There're a lot of discussions in Northeast China (where the current temperature is around -10C) about the battery performances between MIC and imported versions of Tesla. This is particularly important to Chinese users because vast majority of them don't have home chargers and solely rely on superchargers.

Here's one of the most recent article from Sina, which includes Tesla's official response:
https://finance.sina.com.cn/chanjing/cyxw/2020-12-30/doc-iiznezxs9686664.shtml

The article basically says:
- MIC battery has an official 22km extra range for SR+ in normal situations;
- However, MIC battery suffers greater losses in cold climate (SR+ has a 241km range with 5% battery remaining in November in Beijing, where the average temperature is just above 0C);
- At 0C, MIC battery reduces capacity to 60-70%; 40-50% at -10C, 20-40% at -20C; the imported version has 70-80% capacity at -20C;
- Tesla China's official response is that with the software version update 2020.48.12, the car is programmed to optimise the battery preheat functionality when driving & charging, which would help improve the battery performance.

Aph2016

Confirmation text has been received. 5th to 15th of March.

Sam W

J-W wrote: »

No account changes or txt's . Sale agreement still missing

I just received a text from Tesla saying the car has been allocated and the estimated delivery is March 5-15.

Slaanesh

Aph2016 wrote: »

Confirmation text has been received. 5th to 15th of March.

Same.

Dozz

Sam W wrote: »

I just received a text from Tesla saying the car has been allocated and the estimated delivery is March 5-15.

Same as. That's a load of bol1ix. Nearly a month after I was told delivery would take place. I've sold my car based on this and now the possibility of a VAT increase

Aph2016

Dozz wrote: »

Same as. That's a load of bol1ix. Nearly a month after I was told delivery would take place. I've sold my car based on this and now the possibility of a VAT increase

The text mentions final payment 14 days prior to delivery, so I'm assuming once it's paid end of February, its not an issue?

J-W

Same txt 5th to 15th

Slaanesh

It coincides with planned lifting of lockdown restrictions. Might have something to do with it.

WayneEnterprise

J-W wrote: »

Same txt 5th to 15th

No text here. Crazy system, you’d think having ordered in July I’d be one of the first to get the updates. Tesla are really starting to annoy me with their inefficiency, and I don’t even have the car yet! Worlds away from the service I got when spending similar money with Mercedes.

Sam W

Dozz wrote: »

Same as. That's a load of bol1ix. Nearly a month after I was told delivery would take place. I've sold my car based on this and now the possibility of a VAT increase

VAT increase shouldn't be an issue. The final invoice will have already been generated in the next two weeks or so while they apply for the SEAI grant. Once they get the SEAI grant, both they and you will know your final outstanding amount. If you have applied for a Hire Purchase with Tesla, they will ask the bank to release the funds whilst you will pay the remaining balance.

403 Forbidden

Dozz wrote: »

Same as. That's a load of bol1ix. Nearly a month after I was told delivery would take place. I've sold my car based on this and now the possibility of a VAT increase

Same! I’ve done the same! Sold my car this week as was told end of February!

I’ve not got a text tho!

EDIT: Tesla Chat have confirmed that my car should be the end of February... So I don't know!

Kramer

ELM327 wrote: »

Fair points and I agree, but yours is not the made in china variant.

You mean "the new variant", from China? :eek:.

ELM327 wrote: »

an inferior product with a worse quality, heavier, less efficient and slower charging battery - along with reported issues around high and low SOC and cold weather charging.

Not bad, but I've seen better taglines :pac:.

Not wanting to antagonise incumbent Model 3 owners, but Elon only put these (arguably) inferior batteries in these Chinese cars to save money on production costs. Significant cost savings. In the region of $3,000 per car IIRC.

Chinese production has to be far cheaper too, lower labour costs, lack of government regulation etc.

I'd be pretty pissed paying the same full price, for far more cheaply built cars.

But, as always, it's Tesla & they can get away with basically anything. It's arguable it's actually a bait'n'switch. Continental buyers get a large price reduction to reflect the cheaper/inferior battery.
Irish buyers, not so much .

Dozz

403 Forbidden wrote: »

Same! I’ve done the same! Sold my car this week as was told end of February!

I’ve not got a text tho!

EDIT: Tesla Chat have confirmed that my car should be the end of February... So I don't know!

Have you tried emailing them or the live chat option?

403 Forbidden

Dozz wrote: »

Have you tried emailing them or the live chat option?

Live chat said end of February! I’ve emailed the delivery team. I’ll let you know if they come back to me

Dozz

403 Forbidden wrote: »

Live chat said end of February! I’ve emailed the delivery team. I’ll let you know if they come back to me

Did you get a VIN?

AndyBoBandy

As a generation of Model 3 owners can tell you all...

What delivery date they initially suggest, and the actual delivery date are 2 very different things.....

Geeyfds53573

Would ye think the 5th - 15th Mar is the final date? Vat rate reduction should be extended but what happens if lockdown gets extended.

403 Forbidden

Dozz wrote: »

Did you get a VIN?

Yup MIC

Bobjs

Checked again this afternoon. Still no VIN - yet the exact car I’ve ordered is listed in the existing inventory? Loving the discussion on MIC vs Freemont builds. Lots of experts on Chinese manufacturing!!!! Why are there so many articles on the flaws you are likely to encounter when collecting a Freemont car?

redcup342

Bobjs wrote: »

Checked again this afternoon. Still no VIN - yet the exact car I’ve ordered is listed in the existing inventory? Loving the discussion on MIC vs Freemont builds. Lots of experts on Chinese manufacturing!!!! Why are there so many articles on the flaws you are likely to encounter when collecting a Freemont car?

There are more of them

jusmeig

WayneEnterprise wrote: »

No text here. Crazy system, you’d think having ordered in July I’d be one of the first to get the updates. Tesla are really starting to annoy me with their inefficiency, and I don’t even have the car yet! Worlds away from the service I got when spending similar money with Mercedes.

I ordered in October 2016, and got my car in March 2020.
The car will be great and will be worth the wait, keep the faith.

Their customer service is sub optimal -> most of the information we got was from watching boats and viewing the source code of pages to find VINS...
Them were the days...before the dark times.....before COVID.

AndyBoBandy

jusmeig wrote: »

I ordered in October 2016, and got my car in March 2020.

I ordered in January 2020 and collected in March 2020.

Geeyfds53573 wrote: »

Would ye think the 5th - 15th Mar is the final date?

March 5th - 15th sounds about right as my original collection date was March 6th, and then in pushed to March 13th..

WayneEnterprise

jusmeig wrote: »

I ordered in October 2016, and got my car in March 2020.
The car will be great and will be worth the wait, keep the faith.

Their customer service is sub optimal -> most of the information we got was from watching boats and viewing the source code of pages to find VINS...
Them were the days...before the dark times.....before COVID.

Fair enough but the Model 3 didn’t come to ireland till 2019 so most of the time you were waiting the car was unavailable here anyway.

It’s just very frustrating as need to sell current car and with no firm dates still it’s mad.

AndyBoBandy

WayneEnterprise wrote: »

It’s just very frustrating as need to sell current car and with no firm dates still it’s mad.Tesla

FYP..