Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

Whatsisname wrote: »

I’m not anti mask, I’d prefer to not have to wear them like most I’d imagine, but if I have to wear one I will. But myself and my girlfriend went down to London last weekend and she’s come back with a cough. We’ve since had a test and both have come back negative. But considering we wore a mask everywhere on the tube, on the train to and from and regularly washed/sanitised our hands, it’s made me question just how efficient they actually are.

You wore a mask and you tested negative. Surely that's a sign of efficiency?

drunkmonkey

Graces7 wrote: »

Belt and braces time. I for one cannot take the flu vaccine. . a mask is such a small thing to do and is such kindness!

85% of people who tested positive for coronavirus in July reported wearing a mask always or often."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-responds-cdc-mask-wearing

How long do you think everyone else should wear masks to protect you, I don't want you to get sick but at the same time it's incredibly selfish to expect the world to radically change for the worse as you can't take the flu vaccine. We've moved from protecting people from Covid to now protecting you from the flu.

Masks don't stop the flu either, we have to move on, this isn't sustainable for society and is incredible damaging. It's forced over 100 million into extreme poverty and caused probably more early deaths as a result of missed diagnosis alone.

Mitch Connor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

85% of people who tested positive for coronavirus in July reported wearing a mask always or often."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/tucker-carlson-responds-cdc-mask-wearing

How long do you think everyone else should wear masks to protect you, I don't want you to get sick but at the same time it's incredibly selfish to expect the world to radically change for the worse as you can't take the flu vaccine. We've moved from protecting people from Covid to now protecting you from the flu.

Masks don't stop the flu either, we have to move on, this isn't sustainable for society and is incredible damaging. It's forced over 100 million into extreme poverty and caused probably more early deaths as a result of missed diagnosis alone.

I don't see how wearing a mask is either a massive inconvenience or, as you put it, change the world radically.

How has mask wearing forced over 100 million into extreme poverty? Are they buying gold rimmed masks off loan sharks?

bucketybuck

Graces7 wrote: »

So you want all the vulnerable to be like prisoners

Whereas you want everybody to be like prisoners.

Wanderer78

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whereas you want everybody to be like prisoners.

how?

drunkmonkey

Mitch Connor wrote: »

I don't see how wearing a mask is either a massive inconvenience or, as you put it, change the world radically.

How has mask wearing forced over 100 million into extreme poverty? Are they buying gold rimmed masks off Liam sharks?

Normal human life can't resume while they are mandatory. If people want to wear them or put magic beans in their pocket for a false sense of security they are perfectly entitled to.
It's no up to everyone to protect Grace and it would be foolish for Grave to rely on us for protection, people need to look after themselves.

I was wrong on the 100 million it's now estimated 150 million the way you just brushed off the unintended consequences just goes to show how little people understand what's happening outside of their bubble, why is one life more important than another.

World in Progress: COVID-19 pandemic pushes up to 150 million more people into extreme poverty.
https://www.dw.com/en/world-in-progress-covid-19-pandemic-pushes-up-to-150-million-more-people-into-extreme-poverty/av-55273129

Jim_Hodge

Graces7 wrote: »

Where did that attack some from!!!! I have not left home for two years.

And while I don't make the regulations. I wholeheartedly agree with them . So you want all the vulnerable to be like prisoners, and many others to catch the virus and the hospitals get overwhelmed so folk cannot get cancer treatment? So you can go out socially?


Anyways the restrictions are there regardless of opinions,

You see here you go again. You are far from typical and haven't had to change a thing due to any restrictions. You keep saying you have self isolated for years anyway, so stop pontificating about things that don't cause you any problems while the rest of society tries to find a way to live with the virus.

_Kaiser_

bucketybuck wrote: »

Whereas you want everybody to be like prisoners.

It's as I said months ago and since, the needs of the few are being put ahead of the needs of the (very) many.

That's noble and all but not sustainable and shifts the focus off those who should be taking responsibility for their own safety as it relates to their specific needs and in consultation with their GP if needed.

The Government are slowly starting to move to that position by each new announcement being a recommendation rather than requirement insofar as behaviour. The actual requirements are being applied to business as though they are some wholly separate entities not in fact owned, staffed and dependent on the same people who are being given the confused mixed messaging in the pronouncements.

Schools reopening was the first and primary goal of this new Government so only as an absolute last resort will they be closed. As the welfare costs have increased and damage to the aforementioned businesses with it, it's become increasingly clear that another March-style lockdown will not happen.

People like Grace need to start focusing on their own actions, safety and needs rather than trying to guilt/brow-beat everyone else into doing it for them.

Wanderer78

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

It's as I said months ago and since, the needs of the few are being put ahead of the needs of the (very) many.

That's noble and all but not sustainable and shifts the focus off those who should be taking responsibility for their own safety as it relates to their specific needs and in consultation with their GP if needed.

The Government are slowly starting to move to that position by each new announcement being a recommendation rather than requirement insofar as behaviour. The actual requirements are being applied to business as though they are some wholly separate entities not in fact owned, staffed and dependent on the same people who are being given the confused mixed messaging in the pronouncements.

Schools reopening was the first and primary goal of this new Government so only as an absolute last resort will they be closed. As the welfare costs have increased and damage to the aforementioned businesses with it, it's become increasingly clear that another March-style lockdown will not happen.

People like Grace need to start focusing on their own actions, safety and needs rather than trying to guilt/brow-beat everyone else into doing it for them.

welfare costs are just fine, we ll be well able to manage the increase in debt, protecting jobs is critical now, and rising public debt is critical for this now

Mitch Connor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Normal human life can't resume while they are mandatory. If people want to wear them or put magic beans in their pocket for a false sense of security they are perfectly entitled to.
It's no up to everyone to protect Grace and it would be foolish for Grave to rely on us for protection, people need to look after themselves.

I was wrong on the 100 million it's now estimated 150 million the way you just brushed off the unintended consequences just goes to show how little people understand what's happening outside of their bubble, why is one life more important than another.

World in Progress: COVID-19 pandemic pushes up to 150 million more people into extreme poverty.
https://www.dw.com/en/world-in-progress-covid-19-pandemic-pushes-up-to-150-million-more-people-into-extreme-poverty/av-55273129

Masks aren't the thing doing this.

Wearing masks is a fairly common thing in China/Asian counties and has been since Sars. Has life ground to a halt in those countries because of that?

I think Lockdown processes need to be looked at with more subtlety but you are absolutely insane, and incorrect, and sound like an absolute loon, to say Masks are grinding life to a halt or putting people in poverty which is what you said and what you doubled down on.

But I guess you are a monkey, and drunk, so its to be expected.

Ginger n Lemon

Dempo1 wrote: »

I don't know, completely baffled at last night's decisions. Government knew NPHET meeting today and yet went ahead with a yeah but, yeah but, yeah but half baked level 3.whatever your having approach whilst moving to level 4 on 3 of the 6 counties with extraordinary case numbers. Is is another ploy to undermine what NPHET may recommend today?, they haven't changed their stance of two weeks ago, much to Leo's angst.

The household restrictions, just bizzare and unenforceable albeit hints of penalties/fines being muted (good luck with that)

Level 3 clearly hasn't worked so what is going on?

I accept households, community spread is the issue but surely the elephant in the room is being overlooked and that's Retail, particularly shopping centres etc.

Government seem intent on bypassing NPHET, continue with the obsession of keeping schools open and avoiding level 5 but the Irony being of course, the continuing mix messaging is actually harming the economy. I'm not pro lockdown but it's patently obvious a short but blunt one needed, this current approach all over the place and Christmas looking increasingly bleak.

Would love to see that. got a fine for going to visit your parents..... brilliant.

Seriously - these are restrictions. They are guidelines. Guidelines that people ignore because they've had enough ofr this 7 months cuckoo land

Ginger n Lemon

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Masks aren't the thing doing this.

Wearing masks is a fairly common thing in China/Asian counties and has been since Sars. Has life ground to a halt in those countries because of that?

I think Lockdown processes need to be looked at with more subtlety but you are absolutely insane, and incorrect, and sound like an absolute loon, to say Masks are grinding life to a halt or putting people in poverty which is what you said and what you doubled down on.

But I guess you are a monkey, and drunk, so its to be expected.

So you basically have nothing to say about masks efficacy other than that they wear them in Asia, and you start insulting.

Are you really unaware that true reason they wear masks in Asia is because of pollution? Ever been to Wuhan pre 2020?


However, about 1.25 million Chinese people still die early each year as a result of air pollution. In 2005, the WHO set global guidelines for particle pollution and interim targets for countries to gauge progress.

Today, the air breathed by 81% of China’s population has yet to meet the first interim target. Controlling air pollution is hard. Other countries can learn from China’s experience and avoid using fossil fuels, especially coal, to power their industrial development.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/10/pollutionwatch-air-pollution-in-china-falling-study-shows

drunkmonkey

Local teacher tested positive the other day, was in school working away, the HSE deemed nobody else had to be tested as the teacher used a faceshield. No other staff or students were tested.
When we want to find cases we'll go to the end of the earth to do it, when it doesn't suit the government policy of keeping the schools open we don't look for them in those environments.

It's difficult to understand the logic being applied to different situations.

_Kaiser_

Wanderer78 wrote: »

welfare costs are just fine, we ll be well able to manage the increase in debt, protecting jobs is critical now, and rising public debt is critical for this now

Protecting jobs by closing businesses that are already struggling because of the impact of restrictions and decreased trade while costs/debt stays the same or increase, in the hope that they'll be ABLE to reopen again when when the yo-yo cycle allows it?

It's not a realistic or sustainable strategy. Many smaller businesses will simply fold - Indeed we've already seen some bigger casualties too already. And the notion that we can just continue to pluck from the magic money tree so we can kick the can down the road some more rather than face the reality that people will have to start taking personal responsibility is equally unrealistic.

Mitch Connor

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So you basically have nothing to say about masks efficacy other than that they wear them in Asia, and you start insulting.

Are you really unaware that true reason they wear masks in Asia is because of pollution? Ever been to Wuhan pre 2020?


However, about 1.25 million Chinese people still die early each year as a result of air pollution. In 2005, the WHO set global guidelines for particle pollution and interim targets for countries to gauge progress.

Today, the air breathed by 81% of China’s population has yet to meet the first interim target. Controlling air pollution is hard. Other countries can learn from China’s experience and avoid using fossil fuels, especially coal, to power their industrial development.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/sep/10/pollutionwatch-air-pollution-in-china-falling-study-shows

The argument isn't about the effeciency of masks - the argument is that life is grinding to a halt because of masks.

The reason for wearing masks is also not the point - the point is they are worn and life has not ground to a halt due to wearing the.

You are trying to make this discussion about things it is not about.

The actual points of discussion:

Drunkmonkey said life has ground to a halt because of masks. I say this is utter rubbish.
Drunkmonkey said 150million people have been put into extreme poverty because of mask. I say this is utter rubbish.

These are the things said, and doubled down on. And these are the specific things I am refuting.

And yes, I think if you believe that Masks have forced 150million people into poverty you are a loon. Packs of hundreds are a fairly cheap.

And yes, I think if you believe that Masks have ground life to a half, you are a loon.

I wear a mask when I go shopping, when I go to a restaurant, when I am indoors in a public space. I don't wear one at home. I don't wear one (and haven't been asked to) when I am exercising in the gym i go to. When I went to the cinema to watch tenet I wore a mask and then took it off (while socially distanced) to eat my popcorn and have my drink. Life absolutely did not grind to a halt because I needed to wear a mask at certain points in my travels through the day.

Wanderer78

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Protecting jobs by closing businesses that are already struggling because of the impact of restrictions and decreased trade while costs/debt stays the same or increase, in the hope that they'll be ABLE to reopen again when when the yo-yo cycle allows it?

It's not a realistic or sustainable strategy. Many smaller businesses will simply fold - Indeed we've already seen some bigger casualties too already. And the notion that we can just continue to pluck from the magic money tree so we can kick the can down the road some more rather than face the reality that people will have to start taking personal responsibility is equally unrealistic.

yup, sme's are in serious trouble, they need the same level of protection now as other sectors such as mnc's, borrowing is the only game in town now, and yes the process of money creation is indeed very magical, thankfully our government has seen sense, and have accepted the existence of this magical money tree, rising public debt will be fine, it can be rolled for a very long time, and shouldnt have any major negative effects

Ginger n Lemon

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The argument isn't about the effeciency of masks - your argument is that life is grinding to a halt because of masks.

The reason for wearing masks is also not the point - the point is they are worn and life has not ground to a halt due to wearing the.

You are trying to make this discussion about things it is not about.

The actual points of discussion:

You say life has ground to a halt because of masks. I say this is utter rubbish.
You say 150million people have been put into extreme poverty because of mask. I say this is utter rubbish.

These are the things you said, and doubled down on. And these are the specific things I am refuting.

And yes, I think if you believe that Masks have forced 150million people into poverty you are a loon. Packs of hundreds are a fairly cheap.

And yes, I think if you believe that Masks have ground life to a half, you are a loon.

I wear a mask when I go shopping, when I go to a restaurant, when I am indoors in a public space. I don't wear one at home. I don't wear one (and haven't been asked to) when I am exercising in the gym i go to. When I went to the cinema to watch tenet I wore a mask and then took it off (while socially distanced) to eat my popcorn and have my drink. Life absolutely did not grind to a halt because I needed to wear a mask at certain points in my travels through the day.

Okay, so you still have very little of value to post to back up mask wearing efficacy.

That in bold - you are not actually stupid enough to wear mask for outdoor dinning are you? Or what restaurants are you referring to?

I am afraid those parts in bold are really telling. You are very hysterical, stop watching RTE, really.

_Kaiser_

Wanderer78 wrote: »

yup, sme's are in serious trouble, they need the same level of protection now as other sectors such as mnc's, borrowing is the only game in town now, and yes the process of money creation is indeed very magical, thankfully our government has seen sense, and have accepted the existence of this magical money tree, rising public debt will be fine, it can be rolled for a very long time, and shouldnt have any major negative effects

Unless you consider saddling the country and future generations with still more debt as not a big deal. This will all have to be repaid (even in part) eventually - austerity may be off the agenda now, but wait till things finally DO start picking up again and the likes of Germany demand "fiscal responsibility"

It is an interesting approach though - I'm no fan of SF and the lefties but how often were they (rightly) derided for fantasy policies and notions that were based on the existence of the same magical money tree that our "responsible, sensible" Government are now liberally picking from?

walus

This is just a theory but I think that the increase in level of restrictions will not cause the spread of a virus to slow down. It will only make detecting positive cases less efficient. The increase of cases that we have seen over the past 2 months are mainly due to a better tracing mechanism that has been implemented, which led to testing people who previously would have been outside of the “suspected positive” group. This mechanism allows for more efficient detection of cases as by definition it narrows down the number of people taken under the consideration to those in controlled and traceable environments (i.e. restaurants, pubs etc). For that reason the positivity rates went up. With the level of restrictions increased and decreased number of people attending those controlled and traceable environments the percentage of positive cases will drop, which in turn will decrease the number of detected positive cases. This should not be confused with the actual status and number of cases for the virus in the population as it will still keep on spreading. Once restrictions are reduced and people return to traceable environments I would expect the cases to shoot up again.

I would rather see the vulnerable and those in their environments being tested frequently as that is where the spread of the virus needs to be closely monitored and managed, because if it isn’t we will see number of deaths go up significantly again.

Idbatterim

Yeah kaiser i agree, i copped this well before covid! (About fg magic money tree) look if i were fg, Id thrie the same crap at my comortition (sf) but its laughable. Fg are in no way orident can oull tens of billioms put of their on our behalf at the drop of a hat, when needs be ...

TheDeep

Wanderer78 wrote: »

What do you mean?

Means what it says. Why should I not see my family and partner for however long for the benefit of anyone else?

Mitch Connor

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Okay, so you still have very little of value to post to back up mask wearing efficacy.

the thing I specifically said was not the point of any discussion, and explained why? No, i don't. Why would I need to? Why are you trying to turn the discussion towards something it isn't? Is it because the base of DrunkMonkey (and yours, by extention of this conversation) argument is utter rubbish and you don't want to admit this or defend it?

That in bold - you are not actually stupid enough to wear mask for outdoor dinning are you? Or what restaurants are you referring to?

I've not eaten outdoors. I went to one of the local restaurants every thursday up until last week and ate indoors. Wore the mask into the restaurant, while talking to the greeter about my booking, when making my order and eventually when paying. From the point of my food being brought to me through finishing my meal I did not wear a mask. My life suffered essentially no impact from wearing a mask throughout this.

Oh, wait, I have eaten outdoors. Again, I wore a mask when talking to the person taking the order. then removed it when i got my food. Is it needed? I don't know? Does it potentially provide a greater level of comfort for the person taking the order? I think it does and it is no issue for me to wear the mask for a couple of minutes if it puts someone elses mind at ease.

I am afraid those parts in bold are really telling. You are very hysterical, stop watching RTE, really.

Hysterical. LOL. Because I think someone saying 150million are in poverty and life has ground to a halt because of wearing masks is loon.

If they made these points about lockdown I could see their point - but they didn't (and by extention of this conversation, you have not). The argument is MASKS are the causes of life grinding to a half and 150million people in extreme poverty. It is utter rubbish, and you are a loon if you believe it.

walus

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Local teacher tested positive the other day, was in school working away, the HSE deemed nobody else had to be tested as the teacher used a faceshield. No other staff or students were tested.
When we want to find cases we'll go to the end of the earth to do it, when it doesn't suit the government policy of keeping the schools open we don't look for them in those environments.

It's difficult to understand the logic being applied to different situations.

There could be some merit to that. This video at some point shows a simulation of droplets spread in air: https://twitter.com/i/status/1316404648392056832

Ginger n Lemon

Mitch Connor wrote: »

the thing I specifically said was not the point of any discussion, and explained why? No, i don't. Why would I need to? Why are you trying to turn the discussion towards something it isn't? Is it because the base of DrunkMonkey (and yours, by extention of this conversation) argument is utter rubbish and you don't want to admit this or defend it?

I've not eaten outdoors. I went to one of the local restaurants every thursday up until last week and ate indoors. Wore the mask into the restaurant, while talking to the greeter about my booking, when making my order and eventually when paying. From the point of my food being brought to me through finishing my meal I did not wear a mask. My life suffered essentially no impact from wearing a mask throughout this.

Oh, wait, I have eaten outdoors. Again, I wore a mask when talking to the person taking the order. then removed it when i got my food. Is it needed? I don't know? Does it potentially provide a greater level of comfort for the person taking the order? I think it does and it is no issue for me to wear the mask for a couple of minutes if it puts someone elses mind at ease.


Hysterical. LOL. Because I think someone saying 150million are in poverty and life has ground to a halt because of wearing masks is loon.

If they made these points about lockdown I could see their point - but they didn't (and by extention of this conversation, you have not). The argument is MASKS are the causes of life grinding to a half and 150million people in extreme poverty. It is utter rubbish, and you are a loon if you believe it.

Absolutely nothing to post to back up mask efficacy, as always. I thought you would link me this great scientific study that shows how 1 person wearing a mask prevents thousands of deaths.

Calling other people "loons" is not gonna change the fact that masks do not stop the spread of the virus. As Evident in Ireland, 10 Aug onward where cases went up and up and up.

Mitch - can you accept that RTE announcing DEATHS with covid every day at 6.01 creates fear?

Can you also accept that if you step outside your door and you see thousands people wearing masks with scared eyes - that also creates fear? (not for you personally, but for a large chunk of our population)

Do you know what fear results in? (I ll give you a hint, not a more frequent trips to restaurants)

Whatsisname

Penfailed wrote: »

You wore a mask and you tested negative. Surely that's a sign of efficiency?

Did you read the rest of my post? Are masks only effective against covid and not any other viruses?

drunkmonkey

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Drunkmonkey said 150million people have been put into extreme poverty because of mask. I say this is utter rubbish.

It's the restrictions on our behavior, the mask is the only visable sign there is something going on. Once they come off normal life can and will start to resume.

Will you not accept that there are knock on effects to your behavior of absolute compliance at any cost.

The economic and social disruption caused by the pandemic is devastating: tens of millions of people are at risk of falling into extreme poverty, while the number of undernourished people, currently estimated at nearly 690 million, could increase by up to 132 million by the end of the year.

Source the WHO in the last 48hrs, https://www.who.int/news/item/13-10-2020-impact-of-covid-19-on-people's-livelihoods-their-health-and-our-food-systems

We need to get back to normal straight away for everyone on this planets sake. I have very little time for anyone contributing to dragging this on any longer and destroying peoples lives both financially and medically.

If there was another option on the table like a New Zealand or Swedish approach I'd take it over the current knee jerk reactions. At this stage there should be a vote put to the people with those 2 options or possibly a 3rd I'm not seeing. I'd follow the heard as either option are a million times better than this stumbling around in a dark room with a tiger approach.

Wanderer78

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Unless you consider saddling the country and future generations with still more debt as not a big deal. This will all have to be repaid (even in part) eventually - austerity may be off the agenda now, but wait till things finally DO start picking up again and the likes of Germany demand "fiscal responsibility"

It is an interesting approach though - I'm no fan of SF and the lefties but how often were they (rightly) derided for fantasy policies and notions that were based on the existence of the same magical money tree that our "responsible, sensible" Government are now liberally picking from?

and yet, once again, 08 has shown us the dangers of rising private debt, the government has made the right decision of enacting the magical money tree, via the already existing public magical money tree creator! rising public debt is fine, as long as the debts created are continually serviceable throughout their lifetime, which is common practice globally, and has been since, well, since, forever! 08 largely occurred due to an over reliance of the magical money trees within private sector financial institutions, and i think we all know what happen after the fact! risng public debt, is far safer than rising private debt, particularly in times of deep economic uncertainty, i.e. this is more than likely far more safer for your kids and grandkids. yes the debts will have to be serviced, but again, these can be rolled out for multiple of decades, with little or no negative economic effects. austerity is a none runner, it never was/is, its a ridiculous idea, and it was even made more ridiculous last time around, how the fcuk was imposing restrictions in the public sector, for something that ultimately was created in the private sector, change the functions of those private sector institutions! time to move on from this childish, private sector good, public sector bad sh1te, what a train wreck!

Mitch Connor

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Absolutely nothing to post to back up mask efficacy, as always. I thought you would link me this great scientific study that shows how 1 person wearing a mask prevents thousands of deaths.

Calling other people "loons" is not gonna change the fact that masks do not stop the spread of the virus. As Evident in Ireland, 10 Aug onward where cases went up and up and up.

Mitch - can you accept that RTE announcing DEATHS with covid every day at 6.01 creates fear?

Can you also accept that if you step outside your door and you see thousands people wearing masks with scared eyes - that also creates fear? (not for you personally, but for a large chunk of our population)

Do you know what fear results in? (I ll give you a hint, not a more frequent trips to restaurants)

I've made no claim in mask efficacy?
Please explain to me why you are expecting me to argue it?

I argue wearing a mask has not ground life to a half. that has nothing to do with the efficacy of a mask. So why are you banging on about efficacy? Why are you trying to bring it into a discussion that didn't talk about it?

I've also made no comment on how or what RTE reports, so again... why are you asking me to accept anything about what or how they report? Where is the relevance?

The points I have made:
1. Masks have not ground life to a halt.
2. Masks have not put 150million people into extreme poverty.

If you want to argue one or both of those two points please do - but I am not discussing mask efficacy nor how or what RTE report, so continually expecting me to produce studies or claims on either as if I made such a claim and didn't back it up....is weird behaviour. The 2 points highlighted above are the two points being discussed and the origan of this conversation. not mask eficacy or whether people are scared by reported death numbers.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The argument isn't about the effeciency of masks - the argument is that life is grinding to a halt because of masks.

The reason for wearing masks is also not the point - the point is they are worn and life has not ground to a halt due to wearing the.

You are trying to make this discussion about things it is not about.

The actual points of discussion:

Drunkmonkey said life has ground to a halt because of masks. I say this is utter rubbish.
Drunkmonkey said 150million people have been put into extreme poverty because of mask. I say this is utter rubbish.

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If drunkmonkey's posts were on facebook they would be flagged by the facebook fact checker as being fake news - its totally off the wall stuff being posted for months now if you have been reading the posts.

Any thing that doesn't suit basically is "destroying" his life - absolute guff. Imagine actually putting down "I cant see pretty girls smile" as a genuine hardship of masks? Mad stuff.

Some other posts are no better as you can see, constantly pushing the fake news that masks don't protect when they proven to and anyone who tries to blow out a candle wearing a mask can see for themselves they are a strong barrier.

Its all part of this anti-restrictions I want to do what I want attitude that is absolutely disgusting to be honest. We should be making everuy possible effort to stop the spread of this virus and lockdowns are very much necessary to force those who wont comply. Fines really are needed also and fast.

Mitch Connor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's the restrictions on our behavior, the mask is the only visable sign there is something going on. Once they come off normal life can and will start to resume.

Will you not accept that there are knock on effects to your behavior of absolute compliance at any cost.

The economic and social disruption caused by the pandemic is devastating: tens of millions of people are at risk of falling into extreme poverty, while the number of undernourished people, currently estimated at nearly 690 million, could increase by up to 132 million by the end of the year.

Source the WHO in the last 48hrs, https://www.who.int/news/item/13-10-2020-impact-of-covid-19-on-people's-livelihoods-their-health-and-our-food-systems

We need to get back to normal straight away for everyone on this planets sake. I have very little time for anyone contributing to dragging this on any longer and destroying peoples lives both financially and medically.

If there was another option on the table like a New Zealand or Swedish approach I'd take it over the current knee jerk reactions. At this stage there should be a vote put to the people with those 2 options or possibly a 3rd I'm not seeing. I'd follow the heard as either option are a million times better than this stumbling around in a dark room with a tiger approach.

Will you not accept that there are knock on effects to your behavior of absolute compliance at any cost
Compliance to wearing a mask? There are, as there are effects to absolutely everything we do at any time. Do I think the knock on effects of wearing a mask are (1) Life grinding to a halt and (2) 150million in extreme poverty.... no i don't. not even a little bit. Wearing a mask is the least inconvenient or negatively impactful part of this pandemic


The economic and social disruption caused by the pandemic is devastating

I've never, not once, said otherwise.

the pandemic and lockdowns have had huge impacts, globally, locally and within my own family - part of which owns and opperates cinemas. Movies not being released because of all of this has impacted them massively and then being reduced in capacity and then being forced to close has been devestating.

But when the were open, with social distancing and mask wearing, there was the beginning of a return. I believe cinemas could be open at near full capacity in the future with proper movies out and, still, a requirement (not just in Ireland) for people to wear masks. I think the wearing of masks is going to be normalised and common place moving forward, as it is in Asia (and not just for polution)

The argument is not about the effects of lockdown - you specifically said MASKS were the causes of life grinding to a halt and 150million people in extreme poverty. I believe life has ground to a halt for many, and people have been pushed into poverty because business have been forced to close completely, and because people don't have the same social outlets they previously had. but those are issues of lockdown restrictions, not masks.

Do you think that if masks were abolished tomorrow, but all other restrictions were in place that everything would be great? that life would get back to normal? Cause I certainly don't believe that would be the case.

Life would return to normal far quicker (or far closer) with far less restrictions but the continued wearing of masks as opposed to all the current restrictions and no masks