Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

BeefeaterHat

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

I’ve a WhatsApp group set up now so that could change

Let me know when the riots are planned. I want a ps5

BeefeaterHat

Zebra3 wrote: »

Brave Varadkar.

The tough decision of putting so many out of work while keeping his own fat salary.

A true hero.

We're all in this together....

#holdfirm

BeefeaterHat

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. Riots and mass protests have been predicted a few times over the months on these threads. Nothing.

There were riots in parts of Spain and Italy at the prospect of more lockdown. I think the general appetite for restrictions is losing its luster

FintanMcluskey

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

Let me know when the riots are planned. I want a ps5

Is it possible to get a hair cut and pint during a riot?


It’s been a while

BeefeaterHat

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is it possible to get a hair cut and pint during a riot?


It’s been a while

Attack one of those swanky barber shops that serves pints while you wait

road_high

Penfailed wrote: »

Nah. Riots and mass protests have been predicted a few times over the months on these threads. Nothing.

Bit if a misreading of the public mood here. The tide is turning big time. The government are in a very perilous situation if they continue the Nphet puritanical and frankly nonsensical dictats. The novelty is well and truly gone

Thierry12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

On 1st June we had 1640 deaths with Covid. Only 350 or so since then.

The 10000 is a bit of an estimate based on average deaths per year. That’s probably actually on the lower end.

Yep

350 deaths and nearly 45,000 cases

As deadly as a butter knife

FintanMcluskey

Thierry12 wrote: »

Yep

350 deaths and nearly 45,000 cases

As deadly as a butter knife

If your near death your sick.

If your sick you get tested.

Gona be a long few years

BeefeaterHat

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If your near death your sick.

If your sick you get tested.

Gona be a long few years

Watch now every subsequent ailment someone gets diagnosed with will be pinned on the long term affects of covid.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

Since June 1st, well over 10000 have died in Ireland.

350 of those died with Covid.

So you're saying 350 people died in total?

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

So you're saying 350 people died in total?

Since 1st June that is.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

Since 1st June that is.

Sorry, being sarcastic - only covid deaths count apparently.

FintanMcluskey

facehugger99 wrote: »

Sorry, being sarcastic - only covid deaths count apparently.

We are down to 350 annual deaths in Ireland.

We aren’t far off the goal.

If only Walt Disney was here to see what we achieved

Seweryn

facehugger99 wrote: »

Sorry, being sarcastic - only covid deaths count apparently.

People are dying that have never died before.

SNNUS

6 week lockdown to be reviewed after 4 weeks.. Of course there is no review - Only in Ireland.

AssetBacked2

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Since 1st June that is.

93% of all deaths had underlying clinical conditions.

And it is worth noting that under the age of 85 we have actually only had 270 deaths with covid in Ireland in the last 6 months and 394 total deaths in Ireland with covid since the beginning of covid, 8 months ago (which works out at 591 in a year).

Hardly worth calling covid a big concern.

AssetBacked2

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

93% of all deaths had underlying clinical conditions.

And it is worth noting that under the age of 85 we have actually only had 270 deaths with covid in Ireland in the last 6 months and 394 total deaths in Ireland with covid since the beginning of covid, 8 months ago (which works out at 591 in a year).

Hardly worth calling covid a big concern.

Plus Irelands youngest covid VICTIM died of heart failure and because he tested positive within 28 days of his death, it was noted as COVID or death with COVID.
Also he tested negative after he tested positive and they still did it anyway!!

Tony H doesn't even give the ages of the dead anymore, you have to sift through the HSE detritus and find it. It's as hard as going on line and trying to cancel your facebook account, a pure exrecise in obfuscation.

BeefeaterHat

SNNUS wrote: »

6 week lockdown to be reviewed after 4 weeks.. Of course there is no review - Only in Ireland.

It's that non-existent relationship Irish authorities have with plans and timetables that makes me certain vaccine rollout will be a disaster.

KrustyUCC

SNNUS wrote: »

6 week lockdown to be reviewed after 4 weeks.. Of course there is no review - Only in Ireland.

The real review will happen next Thursday unfortunately when Tony & NPHET make their recommendations

dalyboy

BeefeaterHat wrote: »

It's that non-existent relationship Irish authorities have with plans and timetables that makes me certain vaccine rollout will be a disaster.

The ever effective HSE is responsible for the roll out of the covid vaccine.
Sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that .... nah

boogerballs

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

93% of all deaths had underlying clinical conditions.

And it is worth noting that under the age of 85 we have actually only had 270 deaths with covid in Ireland in the last 6 months and 394 total deaths in Ireland with covid since the beginning of covid, 8 months ago (which works out at 591 in a year).

Hardly worth calling covid a big concern.

But why don't people understand that the reason we have such few deaths is due to the measures that were put in to mitigate the risks. Without those measures it would have been a big concern.

froog

Deleted User wrote: »

Were are your nonsense predictions coming from that over 10000 would be dead without lockdown?

this thing spreads like crazy. we know this. we've all seen the exponential graphs. no lockdown, let's say 60% of the population gets infected. that's herd immunity territory at which point it's less easy to spread due to so many people being infected and starts declining. that's 2.9 million infected. current fatality rate across all age groups is about 0.6%. that's 17,640 deaths.

acequion

boogerballs wrote: »

But why don't people understand that the reason we have such few deaths is due to the measures that were put in to mitigate the risks. Without those measures it would have been a big concern.

A valid point. But did we have to go so far? Do we have to continue going so far? Has the cure not become a lot worse that the disease?

polesheep

boogerballs wrote: »

But why don't people understand that the reason we have such few deaths is due to the measures that were put in to mitigate the risks. Without those measures it would have been a big concern.

Some people believe that we could have applied other measures that would have mitigated the risks without causing so much harm.

BeefeaterHat

dalyboy wrote: »

The ever effective HSE is responsible for the roll out of the covid vaccine.
Sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that .... nah

I had someone saying to me earlier that the Irish levels of planning are at the same level as the Japanese ones. Japan will hope to have all 120 million people vaccinated by Summer 2021, we're looking to start rolling out to the general public by that time. We're so behind the rest of the developed world on terms of ambition it's pathetic

Penfailed

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

RTE are trash. Have absolute nobodies. You go to France and you tell them "Tubridy" and they ll say "who".

Do you know (without Googling) any French chat show hosts or radio presenters? Strange point you're trying to make.

FrStone

growleaves wrote: »

The Seattle Times and Seattle Weekly covered the story when it broke. It isn't disputed.

Google 'washington gunshot victims covid' for multiple sources.

Don't feed the troll.

It's a typical response to criticise the source when you know you can't argue with the facts. That's what charlie14 is doing.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

I think everyone else has laid their cards in their table as to where they’re at age wise, job security wise etc. I know I have and several times- I’ve no problem with doing so as it adds to my bona fide as a contributor- I don’t see why anyone would want to hide their outline circumstances here especially when they wish to stake out the high moral ground above all others

That's nonsense. You're all random internet people that can type anything about anything. It adds nothing to your bone fides.

FrStone

dalyboy wrote: »

The ever effective HSE is responsible for the roll out of the covid vaccine.
Sure nothing could possibly go wrong with that .... nah

Can we do what the government normally do when they need something done right?

Get the Revenue to administer the vaccine.

Rather than have the social sort out TWSS, they said only revenue could do it efficiently. Maybe we should think about getting them to give out the vaccines too.

AssetBacked2

boogerballs wrote: »

But why don't people understand that the reason we have such few deaths is due to the measures that were put in to mitigate the risks. Without those measures it would have been a big concern.

Do you have a source for that? 390 deaths from around 65000 cases under the age of 85 is 0.6%.

However, WHO estimates up to 10 times official reported cases have been infected with covid. We can all agree that many more than 65000 have likely been infected with covid. Even if we just doubled or tripled the cases, the deaths are staying the same, so we'd be looking at 0.3% or 0.2%,still conservatively estimated.

Remember, society is in lockdown based on something so evidentially harmless (relatively speaking). It would be different having a discussion about covid if we weren't in lockdown but I completely and entirely disagree with social and economic restrictions to deal with this virus based on the data.