Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

pgj2015

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I mentioned a couple of weeks ago a friend of mine who is a business owner who had said that if he was forced to close there would come a point where he would have to open again regardless of any restrictions, because he’s going to be gone bust of he doesn’t do something quick!

Anyway, I was speaking to another person only yesterday (manager of a business, but not the owner) who said there is an undertone growing within his industry at the minute that if things don’t change quick it’s likely them and other similar businesses will just open en masse. I’ll intentionally not mention the industry for now.... but he believes the pressure is growing!

They will fine them all if they open. so they cant win.

There was a gym owner on the radio last week based in Dublin, he said he wasnt going to close. anyone know if he did or not?

Captain_Crash

pgj2015 wrote: »

They will fine them all if they open. so they cant win.

There was a gym owner on the radio last week based in Dublin, he said he wasnt going to close. anyone know if he did or not?

In theory yes they could fine them all....! But there is a difference between one business staying open and risking it, and multiple businesses opening! Put it this way! If say every pub in Dublin opened in the morning... that itself sends a message which speaks louder than the the fines that could be issued!

You’d hope the government identify that sort of push back and realise what they’re doing is making matters worse for many!

That gym stayed open but got closed later in the afternoon!

pgj2015

Captain_Crash wrote: »

In theory yes they could fine them all....! But there is a difference between one business staying open and risking it, and multiple businesses opening! Put it this way! If say every pub in Dublin opened in the morning... that itself sends a message which speaks louder than the the fines that could be issued!

You’d hope the government identify that sort of push back and realise what they’re doing is making matters worse for many!

That gym stayed open but got closed later in the afternoon!

You would need ever business in that sector to open because if only some did, then its very bad publicity for a business, people would think they were greedy and putting others lives at risk.

I wonder will that gym owner be fined?

Captain_Crash

pgj2015 wrote: »

You would need ever business in that sector to open because if only some did, then its very bad publicity for a business, people would think they were greedy and putting others lives at risk.

I wonder will that gym owner be fined?

Possibly yeah, or atleast a large % of them! Personally, I believe that’s eventually how this will end.

I don’t see a day where the government end restrictions, I see the way out of this being people and businesses deciding enough is enough. Just my opinion.

Remember, those in Leinster House work for us, not the other way around!

Don’t know if he was fined no.

Chalk McHugh

Rang a barber i know this morning on the off chance he might fit me in for a haircut. Not a problem. When i arrived he said he's allowed to work provided you ring in beforehand and there's only one customer on the premises. Fair enough. Dublin city was unsurprisingly dead today at midday. A Lockdown and Bank Holiday double whammy.

pgj2015

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Possibly yeah, or atleast a large % of them! Personally, I believe that’s eventually how this will end.

I don’t see a day where the government end restrictions, I see the way out of this being people and businesses deciding enough is enough. Just my opinion.

Remember, those in Leinster House work for us, not the other way around!

Don’t know if he was fined no.

It doesnt work like that though in fairness, look at something like the usc, that was supposed to be a short term thing. most people want lower insurance premiums but nothing has been done about that. they may work for us technically but they have the power.

Captain_Crash

pgj2015 wrote: »

It doesnt work like that though in fairness, look at something like the usc, that was supposed to be a short term thing. most people want lower insurance premiums but nothing has been done about that. they may work for us technically but they have the power.

It doesn’t always no! But that’s the way it’s supposed to work. Government are supposed to represent the wants and need for the public as a whole. Gay marriage, abortion, water charges are examples of where they followed the flow of the public. Your right tho, there are examples of where they disregarded/ don’t push for what people want also.

Simply put! If MM was told tomorrow morning that the vast majority of people wanted all restrictions gone and for us to follow the Swedish model, we’d be on that road by Wednesday afternoon! Well, that’s if we had a functioning democracy.. I won’t get into a debate about that haha

pgj2015

Captain_Crash wrote: »

It doesn’t always no! But that’s the way it’s supposed to work. Government are supposed to represent the wants and need for the public as a whole. Gay marriage, abortion, water charges are examples of where they followed the flow of the public. Your right tho, there are examples of where they disregarded/ don’t push for what people want also.

Simply put! If MM was told tomorrow morning that the vast majority of people wanted all restrictions gone and for us to follow the Swedish model, we’d be on that road by Wednesday afternoon! Well, that’s if we had a functioning democracy.. I won’t get into a debate about that haha

They cant give people everything they want though, like no one wanted all the cuts we got during the last recession, sometime they have to bring things in that arent at all what the public want. the public will always want more but its not always a good idea to give them what they want.

Cluedo Monopoly

I met someone today that works in a large gift shop. The staff and owners are furious that they have to shut down again. They said they spent a fortune and lots of unpaid overtime getting the shop Covid ready just to be shut down again. He thinks they will go under if not opened on Dec 1. He seemed quite depressed to be honest and worried about the future. Those in non essential retail are in a lot of pain.

Captain_Crash

pgj2015 wrote: »

They cant give people everything they want though, like no one wanted all the cuts we got during the last recession, sometime they have to bring things in that arent at all what the public want. the public will always want more but its not always a good idea to give them what they want.

I agree, and there is a balance needed. Right now my view is that balance is on the brink and something has to give! McNamara said on Friday in the Dail, if we don’t debate this here, they will in the streets!! weather we like it or not! (Paraphrasing of course)

TRANQUILLO

I re-watched the clips of prime time from last week and two things struck me:

1. Miriam O Callaghan said in a question she put to a guest "cases and deaths are rising exponentially" . This is not true. Cases granted, but deaths no. She bundled them together disingenuously.

2. Tomas Ryan said : Taiwan,Australia,New Zealand look like great places to be right now. Au Contraire Tomas ....Australia looks like an absolutely horrid place to be at the moment. The police have completely lost the run of themselves down there. A cursory look on youtube will see them throwing joggers to the ground and breaking cameras. Jack booted thugs.

walus

hmmm wrote: »

Very clear link between controlling the virus and the level of economic damage

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/1317924980659785728

GDP is one thing. Any data on expenditure?

It would be great to see if Sweden also flushed 5bn per 1m of population down the toiled just like Ireland did.

Beasty

If anyone wishes to discuss the Cervical Cancer issue start a thread in Current Affairs. This forum is for Coronavirus issues

TRANQUILLO

Part of me wants society/government to acquiesce and give Tomas Ryan the 12 week lockdown he desires.

When covid returns as soon as we re-emerge he will have to foxtrot oscar as a busted flush.

Then maybe alternative ideas will start to be considered.

Dickie10

the way its looking from the Sunday papers the tide could be turning within print media, most people are giving the government a free hit on this lockdown in hope of a half normal xmas, this wont happen and we will prob see another lockdown heading straight at us for paddys day 2021, after reopening of economy in Jan and february. thats when shiit will get real, very few normal people will take a 3rd level 5 lockdown coming into summer. Vaccine might be in circulatiion but prob next november before most people have access.

acequion

pgj2015 wrote: »

They cant give people everything they want though, like no one wanted all the cuts we got during the last recession, sometime they have to bring things in that arent at all what the public want. the public will always want more but its not always a good idea to give them what they want.

Judging by your posts you come across as a Govt shill. An Irish Govt shill. Where people power is very weak and where people rarely get what they want. And you seem to think that's a good idea but I don't. I would like a Govt who listen to their people and whose policy is guided by same. Our Govt don't listen to their people, in fact they often seem to despise their people in the way they domineer and talk down. But yet they will kowtow to the likes of Tony Holohan, a man who's past record is questionable to say the least.

But then again Irish people can only blame themselves. They are generally ridiculously subservient to authority and just won't go out and demand they be listened to as they do elsewhere. But when they do they get results. Like the water charges. So I do hope that eventually there is a mutiny from business people in this country. That en masse they eventually open up their businesses and demand an end to these draconian measures.

But this is Ireland and I'll believe it when I see it!

aidoh

Well if there's anything I've learned from watching TV over the past 8 months, it's that we we just need to dig deep, hold firm, put our shoulder to the wheel and redouble our efforts to stem the spread of this virus. We're all in this together.

Captain_Crash

aidoh wrote: »

Well if there's anything I've learned from watching TV over the past 8 months, it's that we we just need to dig deep, hold firm, put our shoulder to the wheel and redouble our efforts to stem the spread of this virus. We're all in this together.

Yeah but there is real cause for concern... the next 2 weeks are critical!!

3xh

Dickie10 wrote: »

the way its looking from the Sunday papers the tide could be turning within print media, most people are giving the government a free hit on this lockdown in hope of a half normal xmas, this wont happen and we will prob see another lockdown heading straight at us for paddys day 2021, after reopening of economy in Jan and february. thats when shiit will get real, very few normal people will take a 3rd level 5 lockdown coming into summer. Vaccine might be in circulatiion but prob next november before most people have access.

You’d be forgiven for thinking that’s actually their cunning plan........ threaten a third lockdown but offer a reprieve through high vaccine uptake.

Maybe an exemption for pre/post flight testing with proof of vaccine as a further incentive.

And so on.....

bear1

Does anyone know if household products can be bought? Need to buy a heater until the oil arrives and can't find anywhere that sells them in Galway.

bush

bear1 wrote: »

Does anyone know if household products can be bought? Need to buy a heater until the oil arrives and can't find anywhere that sells them in Galway.

Did you try the hardware shops or local elerctic shops? Pretty much anything can be bought if you look hard enough.

Captain_Crash

3xh wrote: »

You’d be forgiven for thinking that’s actually their cunning plan........ threaten a third lockdown but offer a reprieve through high vaccine uptake.

I seriously doubt this government are smart enough to think that far ahead.

drunkmonkey

bear1 wrote: »

Does anyone know if household products can be bought? Need to buy a heater until the oil arrives and can't find anywhere that sells them in Galway.

Any co op should have them, they'll be fully open.

average_runner

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I re-watched the clips of prime time from last week and two things struck me:

1. Miriam O Callaghan said in a question she put to a guest "cases and deaths are rising exponentially" . This is not true. Cases granted, but deaths no. She bundled them together disingenuously.

2. Tomas Ryan said : Taiwan,Australia,New Zealand look like great places to be right now. Au Contraire Tomas ....Australia looks like an absolutely horrid place to be at the moment. The police have completely lost the run of themselves down there. A cursory look on youtube will see them throwing joggers to the ground and breaking cameras. Jack booted thugs.

A friend of mine said things were getting back to normal there. He attended the AFL final on Sat, while restrictions, it was still good.
Also he is runner and had no issues down there or has anyone in his club

average_runner

Dickie10 wrote: »

the way its looking from the Sunday papers the tide could be turning within print media, most people are giving the government a free hit on this lockdown in hope of a half normal xmas, this wont happen and we will prob see another lockdown heading straight at us for paddys day 2021, after reopening of economy in Jan and february. thats when shiit will get real, very few normal people will take a 3rd level 5 lockdown coming into summer. Vaccine might be in circulatiion but prob next november before most people have access.

Given all the positive news about the vaccine, i doubt we will see another level 5 lockdown. There is too much positive news coming from multiple resources for it to be a hoax. I believe by May we back to normal.

polesheep

average_runner wrote: »

Given all the positive news about the vaccine, i doubt we will see another level 5 lockdown. There is too much positive news coming from multiple resources for it to be a hoax. I believe by May we back to normal.

I think when a vaccine comes, regardless of how much or how little it delivers, things will rapidly return to normal.

3xh

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I seriously doubt this government are smart enough to think that far ahead.

True. Let’s hope this and other governments are eager to put this episode behind all of us and never speak of such mitigation measures again.

road_high

polesheep wrote: »

I think when a vaccine comes, regardless of how much or how little it delivers, things will rapidly return to normal.

Yea I think even a placebo effect at this stage will be enough cover

Captain_Crash

road_high wrote: »

Yea I think even a placebo effect at this stage will be enough cover

Was literally going to post pretty much word for word what you just said haha

pgj2015

acequion wrote: »

Judging by your posts you come across as a Govt shill. An Irish Govt shill. Where people power is very weak and where people rarely get what they want. And you seem to think that's a good idea but I don't. I would like a Govt who listen to their people and whose policy is guided by same. Our Govt don't listen to their people, in fact they often seem to despise their people in the way they domineer and talk down. But yet they will kowtow to the likes of Tony Holohan, a man who's past record is questionable to say the least.

But then again Irish people can only blame themselves. They are generally ridiculously subservient to authority and just won't go out and demand they be listened to as they do elsewhere. But when they do they get results. Like the water charges. So I do hope that eventually there is a mutiny from business people in this country. That en masse they eventually open up their businesses and demand an end to these draconian measures.

But this is Ireland and I'll believe it when I see it!

Exactly I agree. I am no shill, just a realist, no point dreaming of some perfect country where everything is as we want because that is just unrealistic. we all want dangerous criminals to do way longer in prison, we all want insurance claim fraudsters to be imprisoned etc but for some reason that just wont happen here. its like that time Bill Cullen told the moaning graduates to forget about blaming the government about their unemployment and go out and sort the problem out themselves, this is something i figured out around 18, stop blaming others for your problems and go and make the best of the situation.