Relaxation of Restrictions, Part VI - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

martingriff

May I ask what people suggestions should be for living with Covid. Restriction, no restrictions, what type of restrictions, how to protect hospital numbers,

For me I say Stage 2 is good and be manageable if we all followed

Rrrrrr2

Penfailed wrote: »

Is there a strong push back though? There was a fella from the ERSI (Economic and Social Research Institute) on the wireless this morning. He said that the consistent consensus is that it is being handled well by the government. When asked, "Should there be more restrictions?" 60% said 'yes', 20% said 'no' and the rest were happy with the current restrictions. Those 60% (three times more) got their wish.

Not sure who they are speaking to but it’s sure as hell no one I speak to- and I’m a middle class professional (the cohort you’d imagine most in favour) so speak to peers who you’d imagine would be more supportive. The small business community are completely exasperated and also terrified really

froog

martingriff wrote: »

Unfortunately yes they are to some. They call them end of life people who were probably going to die anyway. Also is probably excluded those with underlying condition as that is what killed them. Covid had no effect

People over 65 are not end of life ffs.

Christ.

end of the road

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I dont see how 1 person dying per day with covid on average since July in a country of 4,900,000 can be classed as emergency.

Maybe there is something we dont know about covid currently - thats why its an emergency?

Maybe HSE dont have PPE? Thats why its an emergency?

Pen help me out please, why is current situation classed as "emergency"?

you are already aware of the reasons, you choose to ignore them so as to push an agenda and whinge constantly on the internet.

gmisk wrote: »

I can't wait for her follow up video with her alternative solution outlined in detail!

neither can i, but i expect we will be waiting indefinitely for it. ah well i suppose.

Captain_Crash wrote: »

You don’t need to have a solution to an issue recognise the approach taken as being of little benefit!

if you have a high profile platform with lots of people accessing that platform and listening to you speak, then it would certainly be wise/better for you to have a solution, so as to allow for greater discussion.

average_runner

Has any country examine the latest strain of Covi, is it the same one, is it weaker?

average_runner

end of the road wrote: »

you are already aware of the reasons, you choose to ignore them so as to push an agenda and whinge constantly on the internet.








neither can i, but i expect we will be waiting indefinitely for it. ah well i suppose.







if you have a high profile platform with lots of people accessing that platform and listening to you speak, then it would certainly be wise/better for you to have a solution, so as to allow for greater discussion.

I think your missing the point and no one is answering it for the people, is as follows:


The cases are sky rocketing throughout Europe, higher than ever but death rate is low.


Around the world the cases are growing but the death rate is falling. Graphs are clearly showing this.


I still believe everything should be open and just enforcement from the gardai.

martingriff

froog wrote: »

People over 65 are not end of life ffs.

Christ.

I know that you know that I said some. Read it again

JimToken

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good to see some of these broadcasters turned epidemiologists being challenged across the water.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1318263232688234496

Need to see more of this from politicians in our own country. Don't put up with it. Call them out.

The type of people who believe that nonsense are better off left believing it

CalamariFritti

froog wrote: »

The WHO estimated fatality rate is 0.6%. But you already know that.

And its worked out with a fair bit of maths. Not your back of a fag packet "calculation".

Well actually...

The WHO condensed multiple (dozens) of local studies into a macro study. And it goes with 0.05% for under 70s and 0.23% overall.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

growleaves

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Because no evidence will ever be accepted by those people. Some times you just have to call them what they are.

They are deniers and worse - many are conspiratorial.

No evidence will ever be accepted.

What are they conspiring to do?

Maxpfizer

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good to see some of these broadcasters turned epidemiologists being challenged across the water.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1318263232688234496

Need to see more of this from politicians in our own country. Don't put up with it. Call them out.

I don't really understand what's being said there that's wrong?

My understanding is that there are quite a lot of coronaviruses out there (including the common cold?).

So you could make the point that we don't always take a "herd immunity" approach and you could scold the presenter for not acknowledging the difference between SARS-CoV-2 and other less lethal coronaviruses.

Calling him a complete nutcase really only does the job of making it seem like people are choosing sides here based on political affiliation or whatever.

There's also the point that herd immunity would work in the long run but the price we'd have to pay in lives lost is just far too much so we can't take that approach.

This just comes across as more like a performance on both sides.
"You're a nutcase!"
"Get rid of this man!"

OK well thanks for informing the public and giving us a detailed and honest idea of what the hell is going on.

RoryMac

end of the road wrote: »

WHO says otherwise.
RTE is fine, it's generally a reliable source.

Do you honestly believe that over 1 million people worldwide have died because of Covid rather than with Covid??

Kermit.de.frog

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Good to see some of these broadcasters turned epidemiologists being challenged across the water.

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1318263232688234496

Need to see more of this from politicians in our own country. Don't put up with it. Call them out.

so as an economist and an alarmist, we are we not calling this joker out in the same regard?

https://www.northernsound.ie/monaghan-professor-says-coronavirus-combination-spanish-flu-great-depression/

charlie14

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well actually...

The WHO condensed multiple (dozens) of local studies into a macro study. And it goes with 0.05% for under 70s and 0.23% overall.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

That appears to be littered with could be, would be and estimates.
We know the present ratio of deaths to confirmed case is 3%

darconio

RoryMac wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that over 1 million people worldwide have died because of Covid rather than with Covid??

Careful trying to explain this to the lockdown brigade, you might be addressed as a granny killer

dmakc

I'm convinced that if RTE and the wider media didn't have such a hard-on for a lockdown and hysteria (i.e. ratings) we'd still be 3.5

froog

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Well actually...

The WHO condensed multiple (dozens) of local studies into a macro study. And it goes with 0.05% for under 70s and 0.23% overall.

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

No the WHO did not. That one guy did and published it on their journal. Worth googling the author by the way. One of the top anti lockdown people in trumps ear early on.

growleaves

charlie14 wrote: »

That appears to be littered with could be, would be and estimates.
We know the present ratio of deaths to confirmed case is 3%

As indeed it must be since they can't test every asymptomatic person in the world and indeed every IFR from history is also estimated.

Which is why we read things like:

Black Death 20-60% death rate; and

Spanish flu between 18-100 million dead

nacho libre

average_runner wrote: »

Has any country examine the latest strain of Covi, is it the same one, is it weaker?

I don't think there is sufficient evidence to say the virus has mutated and become weaker as a result.

Treatment now seems to be much better now than what it was. I forget what the exact stat is, but a lot less people are succumbing to it in ICU than they were back in April.

JimToken

dmakc wrote: »

I'm convinced that if RTE and the wider media didn't have such a hard-on for a lockdown and hysteria (i.e. ratings) we'd still be 3.5

For the media It's like surfing a wave

They want to keep on top of the wave as long as possible with the hysteria

Strumms

Allinall wrote: »

She's lucky.

Not everyone has been, or will be as lucky as your aunt.

True, my cousin an asthma sufferer also survived, but the stress, worry, experience for her and her family including a very sick and elderly parent who she lived with was awful.

She works in childcare and caught it at the beginning of the pandemic. A parent dropped child off at the creche, just legged it “ yeah he’s grand, bit of a sniffle, talked to the doctor (she hadn’t she later admitted) just a cough and a sniffle”...five minutes after she left the staff were concerned, isolated the kid in a room away from the other children, contacted the parent who took 90 minutes to return. The kid is no longer facilitated at that crèche. Tough on the kid, but as it was put to me.....if the parent will be that blasé and careless about the health and wellbeing of staff and other children, it’s good luck and goodbye.

Time to get fûckin tough with these covid cünts. DONT be a covid cünt.

The Continental Op

Strumms wrote: »

..........

Time to get fûckin tough with these covid cünts. DONT be a covid cünt.

I can see the T-shirt now.

Rrrrrr2

polesheep wrote: »

Calling someone a nutcase is not calling them out. Why didn't he refute what was being said?

Because these people can’t defend lockdown and the massively disproportionate damage it’s doing to society’s- mr Bryant couldn’t defend that hence his little meltdown- anyone that dares question anything either gets sacked or labelled as above

RoryMac

The Continental Op wrote: »

I can see the T-shirt now.

I'd buy one if the shops ever open again

joeguevara

Captain_Crash wrote: »

If the government use the same defence as they did against Ryanair, the restrictions are finished that second! We’ll find out soon hopefully!

Regarding rules v guidelines... this isn’t advice at all as although I studied law, I don’t practice and went a different career route. However, I’m still in contact with several class mates from college who do practice, and this came up in conversation a while back after Berlin D2 got a renewal. The thought is that although they flouted guidelines, pub licences have requirements attached and because they got a renewal it’s likely they didn’t break any of the licensing requirements! If this is the case, and again it’s only theory, but educated theory the restricting may just be guidelines! Ryanair may have been very clever in that they may have railroaded government in that case!

I think that this is a major problem with people that have in some way a similar type of knowledge and believe that they are making an educated guess which turns out to be incorrect. It’s similar to someone who has a medical background but no knowledge of virus, statistics etc and making incorrect assumptions. Good example is your friends who practice but not in the area of licensing (I’m assuming as if they do it would be worrying). I’m not in any way saying that you are giving wrong information on Covid (as I agree with what’s you say), but due to a lack of clarity in the available legislation, it was unclear.

There is an article doing the rounds at the moment from an ex VP from Pfizer who believes that 99% of positive cases are false positives, he gives the reasons and looks plausible.

However simply by doing a fact check search, instead of blindly sharing it, he had missed a third data point which drastically changes the outcome data. Another one that is infuriating is the exasperation when deaths are adjusted upwards and claims that they are manipulated. When you try and explain that a death certificate does not to be registered for 3 months and a coroner can take a month, there would have been no way to retrieve this data. The gold medal winner earlier was the poster who plagiarised a whack job article calling viruses cannibalism.

Strumms

The Continental Op wrote: »

I can see the T-shirt now.

I’ve copyrighted it, right !

Strumms

Strumms wrote: »

True, my cousin an asthma sufferer also survived, but the stress, worry, experience for her and her family including a very sick and elderly parent who she lived with was awful.

She works in childcare and caught it at the beginning of the pandemic. A parent dropped child off at the creche, just legged it “ yeah he’s grand, bit of a sniffle, talked to the doctor (she hadn’t she later admitted) just a cough and a sniffle”...five minutes after she left the staff were concerned, isolated the kid in a room away from the other children, contacted the parent who took 90 minutes to return. The kid is no longer facilitated at that crèche. Tough on the kid, but as it was put to me.....if the parent will be that blasé and careless about the health and wellbeing of staff and other children, it’s good luck and goodbye.

Time to get fûckin tough with these covid cünts. DONT be a covid cünt.

so did it later transpire the kid had covid? confirmed with a test so?
Also wtf! if that's the case, why are so many accepting of kids being low to no risk, you yourself just in the above say a child was able to pass this on in 90mins even having been isolated and the parent called. your cousin still picked it up?? doesn't that run completely contrary to why kids now walk around indoors without masks?

Baffling story on so many levels

CalamariFritti

charlie14 wrote: »

That appears to be littered with could be, would be and estimates.
We know the present ratio of deaths to confirmed case is 3%

We also know that confirmed cases and people who came in contact with this virus are two vastly different numbers.

In the absence of any real effort (at least here in Ireland) to get to better numbers these are the only numbers we have.

One number is a number we know for sure cannot be correct. Because there is not a hope in hell we caught every single positive. Even the most avid deadly-covid advocate won't deny this.

The other number is the best we know. Also probably not 100% accurate. But it also comes close to what we recorded in Ireland over the last few months and we know for sure we're still not catching every single positive. The accurate number - if we will ever know it - is most likely even lower than this.

You will argue that I'm biased, that I will believe the number I want to believe. And you're probably right. But it's not because I want to go for a pint, I truly believe it to be a more accurate number than the 3%.

I mean come on, hand on heart, do you believe that 3% of the infected will die from covid?

normanoffside

I honestly though that after yesterday's step down, the lest the government would be doing is to keep Dr T off the telly.

No such luck.

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1318535609489805313

Penfailed

RoryMac wrote: »

Do you honestly believe that over 1 million people worldwide have died because of Covid rather than with Covid??

What difference does it make? If you take Covid out of the equation, they wouldn't be dead.