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Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

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    #7322
    gmisk
    Registered Users Posts: 32,211 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    paleoperson wrote: »
    None of his rivals have even died.
    Huh?
    If your only thinking of Navalny who was poisoned recently....there are a lot lot more, who have died or disappeared.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/

    Or if not sub
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-20170325-story.html[\url]


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    #7323
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,893 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Former Presidents should be allowed to run again, after a 4 year gap. Would make sense. Seems silly that a good president has to be lost to the wind because of a rule made billions of years ago.

    That’s what Russia does..


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    #7324
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,749 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Somebody didn't take their pills today.


    If Trump wins this time he'll be there for life, that goes without saying.


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    #7325
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paleoperson wrote: »
    None of his rivals have even died.

    Eh yes they have.


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    #7326
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users Posts: 35,749 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Overheal wrote: »
    That’s what Russia does..


    Yea but that's corrupt. no one votes for Putin but he wins by a landslide.


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    #7327
    threeball
    Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭threeball


    gmisk wrote: »
    I don't think he was the sharpest tool in the box...but he was a decent person and could be pretty charming imo you would pretty much accept that as amazing now!. The iraq thing really wrecked his legacy.

    Iraq was down to Cheney. Now there's one evil bustard. Even threw his own daughter under the bus to advance his power and wealth.


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    #7328
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    gmisk wrote: »
    I don't think he was the sharpest tool in the box...but he was a decent person and could be pretty charming imo you would pretty much accept that as amazing now!. The iraq thing really wrecked his legacy.

    I liked Bush, and I liked Obama... nice guys, but they were both rubbish presidents.

    This is why liberals are getting laughed at and why Biden and the dems are so out of touch and going to get creamed in this election.

    You guys are obsessed with image over everything else. You care more about Trump's orange skin and rude tweets, than you do about his policies.

    Just like you cared more about Obama's slick public speaking, than you did about his actual record in office. It's all shallow and superficial. And millions of people are voting to get rid of these empty suits.

    People are sick of this type of politics, just like they're sick of all the political correctness and censorship in society etc.

    It's more important to actually be a great leader, than it is to "look presidential".

    I'll take a rough and occasionally rude leader like Trump, over a slick talking empty suit like Obama everyday of the week... and thankfully millions of people feel the same way, and are voting for real leadership on Nov 3rd.


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    #7329
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Really?

    Nemtsov was in the opposition but he didn't run for president against Putin. It's been claimed by his ally it was done by Kadyrov of Chechnya.

    Russian opposition leader and Nemtsov's ally Ilya Yashin claimed that Chechnya's leader Ramzan Kadyrov was behind the assassination of Nemtsov, saying that "Chechnya today is a quasi-Islamic state within the Russian federation that does not obey Russian rules, and whose only connection with the federal authorities is the systematic receipt of money from the federal budget. Russian society stays silent because people are afraid of Kadyrov. And he exploits this fear as an instrument to muffle critics."[86] Zhanna Nemtsova repeatedly said she wanted Kadyrov to be questioned about what he knew about the assassination of her father.[87]
    cnocbui wrote: »

    Litvinenko? He's still alive and kicking?

    Litvinenko wasn't even a politician, he was a journalist and a spy.

    Not just a spy - a double agent leaking state secrets and his own father disowned him when he found this out - Putin would be entitled to have him killed on this basis, double agent spies spilling state secrets are a legitimate target for any nation. He knew the consequences of his actions.


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    #7330
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,893 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Nothing but net.

    https://twitter.com/barackobama/status/1322679224692604928?s=21

    Queue basketballgate on Fox


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    #7331
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Meanwhile in the "greatest democracy in the world"

    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1322644415383511041?s=20


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    #7332
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    gmisk wrote: »
    Huh?
    If your only thinking of Navalny who was poisoned recently....there are a lot lot more, who have died or disappeared.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/23/here-are-ten-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-violently-or-in-suspicious-ways/

    Or if not sub
    https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation-world/ct-critics-of-vladimir-putin-who-died-20170325-story.html[\url]

    Putin has millions of critics and yeah, sometimes journalists get involved with tough people and get killed. Russia is also a cesspool for corruption and mafia-style shootings, which Putin has been doing his best to destroy and is succeeding. The so-called Russian Mafia is considered even worse than the original Mafia for its brutality and cruelty and Putin has been smoking them out.

    If you still believe Putin is a thug or has some thug elements to him - that could be what is needed to finally rid Russia of all the corruption and Russian gangsters - not some glass tower pen-pusher with a phd who has no idea how those people think. Putin is tough and knows how to deal with these people, which is why you see the continual decline of this type of criminal organization in Russia. Why do you think Putin is so intent on remaining in power except to continue to do this sort of work that he has started? There is noone like Putin with his experience and knowledge, especially not in Russian politics today.


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    #7333
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 81,893 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Putin has millions of critics and yeah, sometimes journalists get involved with tough people and get killed. Russia is also a cesspool for corruption and mafia-style shootings, which Putin has been doing his best to destroy and is succeeding. The so-called Russian Mafia is considered even worse than the original Mafia for its brutality and cruelty and Putin has been smoking them out.

    If you still believe Putin is a thug or has some thug elements to him - that could be what is needed to finally rid Russia of all the corruption and Russian gangsters - not some glass tower pen-pusher with a phd who has no idea how those people think. Putin is tough and knows how to deal with these people, which is why you see the continual decline of this type of criminal organization in Russia. Why do you think Putin is so intent on remaining in power except to continue to do this sort of work that he has started? There is noone like Putin with his experience and knowledge, especially not in Russian politics today.

    Am I reading actual pro Russian propaganda?


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    #7334
    Panrich
    Registered Users Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Panrich


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Putin has millions of critics and yeah, sometimes journalists get involved with tough people and get killed. Russia is also a cesspool for corruption and mafia-style shootings, which Putin has been doing his best to destroy and is succeeding. The so-called Russian Mafia is considered even worse than the original Mafia for its brutality and cruelty and Putin has been smoking them out.

    If you still believe Putin is a thug or has some thug elements to him - that could be what is needed to finally rid Russia of all the corruption and Russian gangsters - not some glass tower pen-pusher with a phd who has no idea how those people think. Putin is tough and knows how to deal with these people, which is why you see the continual decline of this type of criminal organization in Russia. Why do you think Putin is so intent on remaining in power except to continue to do this sort of work that he has started? There is noone like Putin with his experience and knowledge, especially not in Russian politics today.

    Putin is a dictator and a meglomaniac who would be run out of office a long time ago in any self respecting country.

    The fact that he still has support there and indeed with fanboys elsewhere is an indictment on the state of the world in 2020.


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    #7335
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Nemtsov was in the opposition but he didn't run for president against Putin. It's been claimed by his ally it was done by Kadyrov of Chechnya.

    Russian opposition leader and Nemtsov's ally Ilya Yashin claimed that Chechnya's leader Ramzan Kadyrov was behind the assassination of Nemtsov, saying that "Chechnya today is a quasi-Islamic state within the Russian federation that does not obey Russian rules, and whose only connection with the federal authorities is the systematic receipt of money from the federal budget. Russian society stays silent because people are afraid of Kadyrov. And he exploits this fear as an instrument to muffle critics."[86] Zhanna Nemtsova repeatedly said she wanted Kadyrov to be questioned about what he knew about the assassination of her father.[87]



    Litvinenko wasn't even a politician, he was a journalist and a spy.

    Not just a spy - a double agent leaking state secrets and his own father disowned him when he found this out - Putin would be entitled to have him killed on this basis, double agent spies spilling state secrets are a legitimate target for any nation. He knew the consequences of his actions.

    He knew that he had a lot of dirt on Putin from his and Putin's time in the FSB, that's the reason he was murdered nothing to do with being a double agent.


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    #7336
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Panrich wrote: »
    Putin is a dictator and a meglomaniac who would be run out of office a long time ago in any self respecting country.

    The fact that he still has support there and indeed with fanboys elsewhere is an indictment on the state of the world in 2020.

    I'm pretty sure Russia is a self-respecting country and know a lot more about Putin and Russian politics than you do.

    The fact that you actually think you know about Russia than Russians themselves, because of what you read in the western media, is a damning indictment on the state of the amount of brainwashed people in the west today.


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    #7337
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    He knew that he had a lot of dirt on Putin from his and Putin's time in the FSB, that's the reason he was murdered nothing to do with being a double agent.

    Where's your evidence of this? Were you there or do you have documents showing that?


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    #7338
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Putin has millions of critics and yeah, sometimes journalists get involved with tough people and get killed. Russia is also a cesspool for corruption and mafia-style shootings, which Putin has been doing his best to destroy and is succeeding. The so-called Russian Mafia is considered even worse than the original Mafia for its brutality and cruelty and Putin has been smoking them out.

    If you still believe Putin is a thug or has some thug elements to him - that could be what is needed to finally rid Russia of all the corruption and Russian gangsters - not some glass tower pen-pusher with a phd who has no idea how those people think. Putin is tough and knows how to deal with these people, which is why you see the continual decline of this type of criminal organization in Russia. Why do you think Putin is so intent on remaining in power except to continue to do this sort of work that he has started? There is noone like Putin with his experience and knowledge, especially not in Russian politics today.

    That’s some spiel. Even for boards.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #7339
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paleoperson wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure Russia is a self-respecting country and know a lot more about Putin and Russian politics than you do.

    The fact that you actually think you know about Russia than Russians themselves, because of what you read in the western media, is a damning indictment on the state of the amount of brainwashed people in the west today.

    What I know about Russia and Putin comes from a lot of sources including Russian lads that I work with. Even they say he's as dodgy as fu*k and dangerous with it.


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    #7340
    cunnifferous
    Registered Users Posts: 1,075 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Putin has millions of critics and yeah, sometimes journalists get involved with tough people and get killed. Russia is also a cesspool for corruption and mafia-style shootings, which Putin has been doing his best to destroy and is succeeding. The so-called Russian Mafia is considered even worse than the original Mafia for its brutality and cruelty and Putin has been smoking them out.

    If you still believe Putin is a thug or has some thug elements to him - that could be what is needed to finally rid Russia of all the corruption and Russian gangsters - not some glass tower pen-pusher with a phd who has no idea how those people think. Putin is tough and knows how to deal with these people, which is why you see the continual decline of this type of criminal organization in Russia. Why do you think Putin is so intent on remaining in power except to continue to do this sort of work that he has started? There is noone like Putin with his experience and knowledge, especially not in Russian politics today.

    I do wonder why someone from a Russian troll farm would bother posting on a little Irish website like this one. We don't have an election to destabilise for a while yet. Maybe gotten locked out of Facebook and racking up some overtime here in the meantime.


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    #7341
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    paleoperson wrote: »
    Where's your evidence of this? Were you there or do you have documents showing that?

    We have his works along with those of actual historians, including other Russian authors.

    Were you there or have documents showing anything different?

    Also he's pretty much to form for a Russian dictator as your earlier post shows. Murder someone who has dirt on you and put the squeeze on their family still at home to denounce them.


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    #7342
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    What I know about Russia and Putin comes from a lot of sources including Russian lads that I work with. Even they say he's as dodgy as fu*k and dangerous with it.

    A lot of sources huh? Well you know just because they're Russian doesn't mean they're immune to western propaganda or being suspicious as Putin, but at least they're not going to be just like thinking it's an objective fact that Putin is some dictator like a lot of people in the west seem to think.

    It's a valid opinion to think Putin may be a bad guy himself, sure there's theories on it, it's not impossible. Maybe Putin orchestrated lots of bad stuff, maybe Trump had people killed, maybe Obama did... the point is there's a severe lack of evidence, and you can't just throw it out there as an objective fact which is ridiculous.


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    #7343
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    cunnifferous wrote: »
    I do wonder why someone from a Russian troll farm would bother posting on a little Irish website like this one. We don't have an election to destabilise for a while yet. Maybe gotten locked out of Facebook and racking up some overtime here in the meantime.

    What do you mean "a Russian troll farm", I've been on this forum for over ten years and 100% Irish with no connections to Russia. Are you making fun of your own talking points now?


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    #7344
    [Deleted User]
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    George W Bush was a good guy, railroaded in a mistake in Iraq though. Who ever gathered that intel needs help. He acted on it.


    He's presidential , and treated Obama and Michelle with utmost respect when transferring power to them.



    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htPQrCBLBaQ

    Shocking how little people remember of his administration. The guy took office in the most perfect time in history and left 8 years later with fires burning left right and centre. Substance over style. Trump has done way less harm and much more good than W. All presidents leave graciously, Trump will too if polls are correct


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    #7345
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,434 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Shocking how little people remember of his administration. The guy took office in the most perfect time in history and left 8 years later with fires burning left right and centre. Substance over style. Trump has done way less harm and much more good than W. All presidents leave graciously, Trump will too if polls are correct

    Really?

    https://twitter.com/neal_katyal/status/1322644415383511041?s=20


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    #7346
    Fiery mutant
    Registered Users Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Fiery mutant


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Shocking how little people remember of his administration. The guy took office in the most perfect time in history and left 8 years later with fires burning left right and centre. Substance over style. Trump has done way less harm and much more good than W. All presidents leave graciously, Trump will too if polls are correct

    What does that mean? He will leave graciously if he loses? Because all the indications are that he won’t. The election is still days away and his administration is doing everything possible to hinder democracy, instead of protecting it.

    We should defend our way of life to an extent that any attempt on it is crushed, so that any adversary will never make such an attempt in the future.



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    #7347
    ObserverOFlife
    Registered Users Posts: 38 ✭ObserverOFlife


    I think its a desperately sad state of affairs that the leader of the free world , whoever wins, is someone well into their 70's !! Biden is touching 80 ffs! Half the local nursing home residents are younger!!! Even Bidens walk is geriatric....
    IMO Trump will win, in part owing to his covid recovery & predominantly owing to Bidens anti oil stance...


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    #7348
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    Fiery mutant wrote: »
    What does that mean? He will leave graciously if he loses? Because all the indications are that he won’t. The election is still days away and his administration is doing everything possible to hinder democracy, instead of protecting it.

    He'll have to be physically carried out of the White House, hopefully on live tv lol. :D


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    #7349
    jimmyging
    Registered Users Posts: 203 ✭✭jimmyging


    It’s Biden’s to lose now . It’s hard to know who I would dislike more , Eddie Jones or trump ...


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    #7350
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    Good to see somebody on CNN finally talking sense:



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    #7351
    hometruths
    Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 5,801 ✭✭✭hometruths


    jimmyging wrote: »
    It’s Biden’s to lose now . It’s hard to know who I would dislike more , Eddie Jones or trump ...

    I wouldn't be so sure. Trump pulling in big crowds in Pennslyvania today.

    ElseDuwWkAAHoMl?format=jpg&name=large

    These crowds look bigger than 2016


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