Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

Phoebas

vojiwox wrote: »

I'd say work more on this and come back when you are ready to go.

I agree with this.

Even the organisations who are running hard with this are running with vague partial stories that just don't seem very convincing.
Maybe it's because there isn't really anything to this or maybe it's because a proper in depth investigation of the facts takes time.

Graham

vojiwox wrote: »

Oh and release something else to even up your credibility, say.. a health plan.

It's expected in two weeks, it's going to be the greatest health plan you've ever seen. :pac:

vojiwox

Phoebas wrote: »

I agree with this.

Even the organisations who are running hard with this are running with vague partial stories that just don't seem very convincing.
Maybe it's because there isn't really anything to this or maybe it's because a proper in depth investigation of the facts takes time.

I honestly think whatever documents Tucker had are so "meh" that they were planning on it going missing as all they really want to talk about is bias.

Same with the nypost nonsense. Rudi with his, the REAL story here is how twitter and Facebook reacted. Yawn. Of course its the real story as there is no actual story in the nypost. If your story is so bad that the real story is Twitter then back to the drawing board Rudi.

You can see it in these threads. It's all the right have. Oh those people are bias. Whilst they are such great examples on how to live a pure unbias life, something something Sleepy Joe.

Wow, humans being bias shocker.

Galwayguy35

Whichever of them get in America will still be as divided as ever.

hometruths

Phoebas wrote: »

If Rudy Giuliani would make the hard drive available that would aid the process, but he chooses not to share it.

This will all be bottomed out in due course (or completely dropped by the people who are currently promoting it immediately after the election).

A lot of the allegations relate to information in emails. These emails are verifiable without a copy of the hard drive, by checking with the other parties whether or not the emails were sent as released.

Fox claimed to have verified some of the emails this way. Other media have not (as far as we know) done so - I just wonder why. There is a story here, irrespective of whether the emails are true or false, and normal journalistic instinct would be to go after it.

vojiwox

Graham wrote: »

It's expected in two weeks, it's going to be the greatest health plan you've ever seen. :pac:

Yep. Like if I carried on the way rudi and trump do in my job. Vagueness. Not following through. Never delivering. Lying about other Co workers and calling them names.

I'd be rightly sacked. So hopefully the American people sack him next week.

Graham

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Whichever of them get in America will still be as divided as ever.

A president that doesn't actually want a divided nation would be a good thing though.

PropJoe10

Over 100,000 new cases reported yesterday in the US, and Trump and his cohorts saying that they are "rounding the curve". It still amazes me that even a single person believes the utter rubbish that this guy is shovelling. He is utterly clueless.

Graham

schmittel wrote: »

Fox claimed to have verified some of the emails this way. Other media have not (as far as we know) done so - I just wonder why

When the NYT requested access to verify the emails, they were ignored. Multiple times.

Speaks volumes.

vojiwox

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Over 100,000 new cases reported yesterday in the US, and Trump and his cohorts saying that they are "rounding the curve". It still amazes me that even a single person believes the utter rubbish that this guy is shovelling. He is utterly clueless.

I think they said rounding the corner.

And to be fair they never said there wouldn't be horrible things around the corner. Let's face it, if you have been following this admin and they are bringing you around a corner, you'd have to expect horrible things the other side.

Galwayguy35

Graham wrote: »

A president that doesn't actually want a divided nation would be a good thing though.

Doesn't matter really what Joe Biden says he wants, Trumps core voters will never accept him.

Graham

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Doesn't matter really what Joe Biden says he wants, Trumps core voters will never accept him.

True, you're never going to please everyone. I don't think anyone has suggested otherwise. Such is life.

Quin_Dub

schmittel wrote: »

A lot of the allegations relate to information in emails. These emails are verifiable without a copy of the hard drive, by checking with the other parties whether or not the emails were sent as released.

Fox claimed to have verified some of the emails this way. Other media have not (as far as we know) done so - I just wonder why. There is a story here, irrespective of whether the emails are true or false, and normal journalistic instinct would be to go after it.

Some have been "verified" as real. The only two news organisations that have been given access to the data for this verificaitions are Fox News and the Wall Street Journal (hmmm..What do they have in common I wonder? )

They have been able to confirm that some of the emails are indeed real , however they have also verified that they do not show ANY evidence of wrong doing by Joe Biden. And that includes what ever tripe was supplied by Tony Bobulinski.

Not one shred of evidence.

And the latest "block-buster" that Tucker lost in the post looks like it was a fake created by a Swedish guy using an AI generated ID.

Even Tucker now says "Ah , let's leave poor Hunter alone , he's had a troubled life"

Which is a a close to an admission that the whole thing is a complete an utter steaming pile as you'll ever get from that Ghoul.

They tried a smear-job and it crashed and burned badly.

Move on - Tucker has , why can't you?

Phoebas

schmittel wrote: »

A lot of the allegations relate to information in emails. These emails are verifiable without a copy of the hard drive, by checking with the other parties whether or not the emails were sent as released.

Fox claimed to have verified some of the emails this way. Other media have not (as far as we know) done so - I just wonder why. There is a story here, irrespective of whether the emails are true or false, and normal journalistic instinct would be to go after it.

It doesn't make sense for Rudy to refuse to release the hard drive if he's not trying to hide something. It would greatly aid the verification process to have all of the email metadata available for examination.

Of course you can do some level of verification without this like asking the people copied on an email if the email was real.

And, if you're not wanting to look very close, we have that with a mail that included Bobulinski. But any journalist worth their salt would ask Bobulinski for their copy of the email. And any journalist worth their salt would ask every other person on the mail to verify it and would publish their responses.

This story is only credible to those who want it to be true so much that they are willing to put on their blinkers.

hometruths

Graham wrote: »

When the NYT requested access to verify the emails, they were ignored. Multiple times.

Speaks volumes.

In fairness to the NYT I think they have done a pretty good job on this, as the story developed. They have reported it in an even handed way - i.e neither "Smoking gun, Biden is corrupt" nor "Avert your eyes, the Russians are coming".

More like, this is newsworthy, so we should report it.

More specifically, Bobulinski’s story and the email evidence both suggest that Joe Biden took at least enough interest in his son’s dealings to have a meeting during the Trump presidency with his business partners. This isn’t proof that he partnered with Hunter or profited in any way, but it seems like evidence that he wasn’t particularly worried about keeping his son’s sketchy salesmanship at arm’s length. That seems like information worth knowing: not a scandal on a par with some of Trump’s, not a front-page bold-type screaming headline, but something that belongs in the pages of a newspaper, because it’s interesting news.

The Media’s Hunter Biden Conundrum

eagle eye

Let's be honest here. The media always has an agenda.
They want Trump gone because the man with the biggest job in the US screaming fake news is bad for them.

Trump is an idiot, he could have had them all on his side by being nice once the election was done but he has spent his whole life doing what he wants s without regard for anybody else and a leopard never changes it's spots.

I know, I know, I'm insulting leopards now comparing them to Trump.

Panrich

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Doesn't matter really what Joe Biden says he wants, Trumps core voters will never accept him.

They’re going to have to find a new political home post Trump. Some of the most extreme may just abandon politics altogether but the vast majority will have to pick a new poison.

If Biden can implement policy based on the common good, then this will lay the ground for a moderate republican to challenge at the next election. I hope that extremist views can be excised by the GOP if Trump costs them seats this time around,

Cheerful Spring2

Graham wrote: »

When the NYT requested access to verify the emails, they were ignored. Multiple times.

Speaks volumes.

If there no laptop, whom leaking the hunter porn videos? The claim before the leak there was video's and emails. To date there is confirmation Hunter had private videos of his sexual activities. Some videos even show him smoking illegal substances.

Timberrrrrrrr

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Can we ban IMPOTUS if we're banning "sleepy Joe"? For one, it doesn't make sense. It should be IPOTUS, or ImPOTUS at least....
And also, he was acquitted. So...

But was still impeached, there will always be that asterisk next to his name.

Phoebas

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

If there no laptop, whom leaking the hunter porn videos? The claim before the leak there was video's and emails. To date there is confirmation Hunter had private videos of his sexual activities. Some videos even show him smoking illegal substances.

You're not following this at all.

Graham

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

If there no laptop, whom leaking the hunter porn videos? The claim before the leak there was video's and emails. To date there is confirmation Hunter had private videos of his sexual activities. Some videos even show him smoking illegal substances.

In common with most of the US I really haven't given it any thought.

If verified videos are released of Hunter doing anything, it's quite likely I still won't give it any thought.

I think it's irrelevant. The US electorate largely appear to think it's irrelevant.

I guess it might warrant a small piece in one of the gossip mags if that floats anyones boat.

joseywhales

Panrich wrote: »

They’re going to have to find a new political home post Trump. Some of the most extreme may just abandon politics altogether but the vast majority will have to pick a new poison.

If Biden can implement policy based on the common good, then this will lay the ground for a moderate republican to challenge at the next election. I hope that extremist views can be excised by the GOP if Trump costs them seats this time around,

I think the republicans might find it hard to get over the allegations of voter suppression, the rushing in of justice barret and the voter mailing fiasco.

They appear undemocratic and even more cynical than other political parties.

I can't see them winning votes that they actively tried to suppress. But then people have short memories.

Kidchameleon

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Greenwald was being edited, not censored. He has a history of being a self-important prick, and seems that's been the case here as well. Being told not to include unsubstantiated accusations in an article, and proof being required for those accusations, is not the same as "censorship".

Journalists like Greenwald and Max Blumenthal say they're on the left, but really they just love authoritarians. Find an article of them being critical of Putin, China, Belarus, etc...

Here is the full article. It really looks like something fishy was going on within the Biden family IMHO and it really looks like the media are trying to cover it up IMHO...

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/article-on-joe-and-hunter-biden-censored

THE REAL SCANDAL: U.S. MEDIA USES FALSEHOODS TO DEFEND JOE BIDEN FROM HUNTER’S EMAILS

Individuals included in some of the email chains have confirmed the contents' authenticity.

Publication of that initial New York Post story provoked a highly unusual censorship campaign by Facebook and Twitter.

"...the countries that Hunter Biden, James Biden and their associates planned to target for deals overlapped with nations where Joe Biden had previously been involved as vice president."

Kidchameleon

Joe Biden "My son is an honorable man"

LOL, no...

vojiwox

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Hunter had private videos of his sexual activities. Some videos even show him smoking illegal substances.

Sure we all partied during the tiger

Phoebas

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Joe Biden "My son is an honorable man"

LOL, no...

Bottom of the barrell stuff there kid.

Not a vote winning strategy I think.

schmittel

schmittel wrote: »

All of it is verifiable. That's the whole point!

Cool, so Hunter Biden should be facing charges in the next year. I'm fine with impeaching Biden in the event of any of this being proven. But atm, it's not been verified by any decent metric.

schmittel wrote: »

Agreed and disagreed

I just think it is worrying when people like Glenn Greenwald, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist, are dismissed as cranks on the fringe elements.

Even the best journalists face editorial decisions at some point that they don't like. The reason in this case was a lack of evidence. Fair play to them for maintaining editorial standards .

Cheerful Spring2

Graham wrote: »

In common with most of the US I really haven't given it any thought.

If verified videos are released of Hunter doing anything, it's quite likely I still won't give it any thought.

I think it's irrelevant. The US electorate largely appear to think it's irrelevant.

I guess it might warrant a small piece in one of the gossip mags if that floats anyones boat.

The videos are clearly him in it. There long enough to be sure there was no editing and manipulations. A 10 second video is meaningless. One video was over 5 minutes long.

It's not irrelevant when Biden son has a severe drug habit and allegedly pays for prostitutes. When you're the son of the Vice President this kind of thing is a obvious national security concern. If one of Trump daughters lived a double live, it be headline news. The fact is Joe Biden not even once said the email story untrue, he just claims it bad campaigning by the other side. Biden knows the story true, but lets the Biden supported media crush the story on his behave

Glenn Greenwald left the intercept when they tried to censor a piece about Biden. You have to be blind to not see both sides censor each other.

froog

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Joe Biden "My son is an honorable man"

LOL, no...

he has a well documented battle with drug abuse going back decades. it's shameful how right wing people keep bringing it up.

froog

also can someone explain how hunter's business in china was "shady" or "illegal". specifically.