Trump vs Biden 2020, Ultimate battle for the fate of our universe (pt 3)Read OP 01/11

Kidchameleon

Cody montana wrote: »

“I don't take responsibility at all”


Biden literally tweeted today.

"I'm not going to shut down the country.
I'm not going to shut down the economy.
I'm going to shut down the virus."

Do you ever tire of being wrong?

That's fine but he is back peddling. I have heard him say complete lockdown and mandatory masks. We have all heard him say this.

Kidchameleon

salmocab wrote: »

They’ve started doing lockdowns. You just saying things doesn’t make them real.

That's the first I have heard of that but it does not invalidate my point, they are doing well so far without having had lockdowns.

salmocab

Kidchameleon wrote: »

They are 17th in the world for deaths per 1 million. Above many many countries who have had complete lockdowns but without the economic fallout. This lockdown business is new to us all, none of us know what is coming next year as a result. Perhaps business as usual? Or perhaps recession. I'd be willing to bet that it will be the latter and countries that have shown a willingness to suffer a bloody nose to help shield their economies will be the winners in the long run. That may sound harsh but people like Donald Trump were put in their position to make harsh decisions. Joe Biden has shown nothing but fear when it comes to Covid.

Just to be clear when you say 17th in the world what do you mean? Are they the 17th worst?

Cody montana

Kidchameleon wrote: »

That's fine but he is back peddling. I have heard him say complete lockdown and mandatory masks. We have all heard him say this.

And Trump said the virus would go from 15 to 0 cases.
It's now 9 million cases and 230 THOUSAND deaths.

What's wrong with mandatory masks?

Kidchameleon

salmocab wrote: »

Just to be clear when you say 17th in the world what do you mean? Are they the 17th worst?

Yes. This is my source https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Cody montana

salmocab wrote: »

Just to be clear when you say 17th in the world what do you mean? Are they the 17th worst?

They are 9th btw.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kidchameleon wrote: »

The US was always going to have a huge number of cases for a variety of reasons. I have gone into these reasons in the past and will not be going into them now but it is basic mathematics and logic. It is hard to tell for sure weather his handling of the pandemic will be a success, time will tell but I believe he will prevail. A complete lock down as Biden proposes would be a disaster for the US and the world. Trump has handled it exactly the way I would have, by balancing heard immunity with the economy. He has made difficult decisions and shown leadership and resolve.

A position of authority endorsing the use of ingesting bleach being one of them.

thecretinhop

my uncle died this evening. stay safe everyone.

Professor Moriarty

Kidchameleon wrote: »

They are 17th in the world for deaths per 1 million. Above many many countries who have had complete lockdowns but without the economic fallout. This lockdown business is new to us all, none of us know what is coming next year as a result. Perhaps business as usual? Or perhaps recession. I'd be willing to bet that it will be the latter and countries that have shown a willingness to suffer a bloody nose to help shield their economies will be the winners in the long run. That may sound harsh but people like Donald Trump were put in their position to make harsh decisions. Joe Biden has shown nothing but fear when it comes to Covid.

Deaths per million:

Denmark: 124
Finland: 65
Norway: 52

Sweden: 587

USA: 708

ebbsy

Smee_Again wrote: »

So not the best person for the job but a case of any Trump will do?

Sounds too close to a monarchy or familial dictatorship for my liking.

Thats what ye want. Something to watch on TV.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kidchameleon wrote: »

They are 17th in the world for deaths per 1 million. Above many many countries who have had complete lockdowns but without the economic fallout. This lockdown business is new to us all, none of us know what is coming next year as a result. Perhaps business as usual? Or perhaps recession. I'd be willing to bet that it will be the latter and countries that have shown a willingness to suffer a bloody nose to help shield their economies will be the winners in the long run. That may sound harsh but people like Donald Trump were put in their position to make harsh decisions. Joe Biden has shown nothing but fear when it comes to Covid.

The US are 10th.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I'm not sure I'd count San Marino and Andorra.

With the exception of Belgium and Spain, they have had more deaths per capita than every other first-world developed country on the planet.

US - no lockdowns, no masks, 708 deaths per million.
Germamy - moderate lockdowns, mandatory masks, 120 deaths per million.
(That's them down at no. 72)
And no economic fallout.

namloc1980

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Sweden are doing great, you should probably let the government know about that too

Basically you think high death rates and out of control virus spread is "doing great". What a warped viewpoint.

Kidchameleon

Cody montana wrote: »

They are 9th btw.

17th, you may be filtering your results on the wrong criteria. I am talking about deaths per 1 million

https://imgur.com/qipSKnC.jpg

Cody montana

Kidchameleon wrote: »

17th, you may be filtering your results on the wrong criteria. I am talking about deaths per 1 million

https://imgur.com/qipSKnC.jpg

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

9th

salmocab

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

They are 10th.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

And I'm not sure I'd count San Marino and Andorra.

With the exception of Belgium and Spain, they have had more deaths per capita than every other first-world developed country on the planet.

He’s talking about Sweden. He thinks America should try to be 17th worst instead of 10th worst. That’s the height of his ambition about 200th is good enough.

Kidchameleon

I provided links to the data, screenshots & information on filtering criteria, Sweden are 17th.

salmocab

Kidchameleon wrote: »

I provided links to the data, screenshots & information on filtering criteria, Sweden are 17th.

17th last

Brussels Sprout

thecretinhop wrote: »

https://youtu.be/peJ0va_RNGg

very interesting Biden numbers down in florida.
de Cuban vote could be interesting.

The guy has a Trump book on his desk, a Marine Le Pen sign on the wall behind him and the comments section is full of people talking about being Red Pilled.

(It's probably not an objective source of information)

Kidchameleon

astrofool wrote: »

That has them as 10th?

Oh dear God, Sweden

astrofool

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Oh dear God, Sweden

Yes, I deleted my post, but good to see you respond to a post for once

Kermit.de.frog

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1322277805988564993

Kidchameleon

salmocab wrote: »

27th last

Half full, half empty, look at it whatever way you want. I am on Team Trump, positivity is my motto.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

salmocab wrote: »

He’s talking about Sweden. He thinks America should try to be 17th worst instead of 10th worst. That’s the height of his ambition about 200th is good enough.

Ah, fair point. But not exactly a useful metric. A lot of Swedes socially distanced and stayed at home voluntarily and are by and large responsible. Americans, not so much.

As I said: Germany - moderate lockdown, mandatory masks, no economic fallout and 72nd.

salmocab

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Half full, half empty, look at it whatever way you want. I am on Team Trump, positivity is my motto.

Half full half empty would be relevant for being mid table. You type 17th in the world as if that’s good when in fact it’s terrible.

Kidchameleon

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Ah, fair point. But not exactly a useful metric.

As I said: Germany - moderate lockdown, mandatory masks, no economic fallout and 72nd.

Look at San Marino. Every country is different for a multitude of reasons. There is too much at play to put the blame on Trump. The virus is going to spread no matter what, it is nature at work. People claiming to care about Corona virus and its effects are the same people weaponizing it to attack Trump.

Kidchameleon

salmocab wrote: »

Half full half empty would be relevant for being mid table. You type 17th in the world as if that’s good when in fact it’s terrible.

You have missed my point. Complete lockdowns do not necessarily work better than heard immunity strategy's.

Graham

Kidchameleon wrote: »

Look at San Marino. Every country is different for a multitude of reasons. There is too much at play to put the blame on Trump. The virus is going to spread no matter what, it is nature at work. People claiming to care about Corona virus and its effects are the same people weaponizing it to attack Trump.

It's not us that have to be convinced.

It's the majority of the US electorate that look like they're about to vote for Biden in no small part as a result of Trumps inability or unwillingness to address the pandemic.

Kermit.de.frog

Landslide territory here for Biden if this holds up.

https://twitter.com/conorjrogers/status/1322162797459828737

Igotadose

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1322277805988564993

Led by Donkeys US division

Kermit.de.frog

Good man Rudy

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1322259971317198848