Covid 19 Part XXIV-37,063 ROI (1,801 deaths) 12,886 NI (582 deaths) (02/10) Read OP

titan18

Kiith wrote: »

That's an extremely dangerous path to walk down.

If someone had to choose between businesses getting to stay open and attempting to reduce contacts of people or people allowed to have house parties cos of constitutional rights, the people who choose the latter are idiots imo.

bazermc

GooglePlus wrote: »

Didn't NPHET recommend level 4 for Dublin a few weeks ago but the government rejected?

Did indeed - seems to have been forgotten about now

tobefrank321

Sardonicat wrote: »

It is the government's responsibility to increase ICU capacity

Its NPHET's responsibility as those running national public health strategy to request more resources and provide a plan.

Its then the governments role to provide finances.

At this stage it feels like someone deciding to shutdown their workplace rather than do a bit of work. Get the finger out, increase hospital and ICU capacity. Do your job.

JP Liz V1

tobefrank321 wrote: »

Moving from level 2 to level 5 may only be the stroke of the pen for the likes of NPHET but it means putting tens of thousands on the dole, businesses ruined perhaps permanently and weddings and the like also ruined. And all because the HSE and particularly NPHET had no plans to increase ICU capacity.
This is where there focus should be, not on lockdowns.

Our Health Minister gone quite, any thing also from Paul Reid of HSE?

Blondini

So a bunch of non-medical suits have ignored doctors orders on our behalf?

Sounds great.

Strumms

“Elsewhere this afternoon, the GAA announced it had suspended all games with immediate effect. A statement released to clubs says that the association has taken this decision following “a number of incidents” in relation to post-match celebrations and “a lack of social distancing” at recent games.”

You know things is fûcked up when the GAA come out criticizing their own. That just never happens.

Boggles

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The HSE wasn't even consulted. Jesus Christ.

List of HSE members who make up NPHET.

Dr Colm Henry – Chief Clinical Officer, HSE

Dr. Lorraine Doherty – National Clinical Director for Health Protection, HPSC, HSE

Dr John Cuddihy – Interim Director, Health Protection Surveillance Centre (HPSC)

Dr Kevin Kelleher – Asst. National Director, Public Health, HSE

Mr David Leach – Deputy National Director of Communications, HSE

Dr Michael Power – National Clinical Lead, Critical Care Programme, HSE Consultant in Anaesthetics / Intensive Care Medicine, Beaumont Hospital

Dr Breda Smyth – Director of Public Health Medicine, HSE

Mr David Walsh – National Director, Community Operations, HSE

Mr Liam Woods – National Director, Acute Operations, HSE

To suggest they weren't consulted is pretty hilarious.

bb1234567

616 cases in the North again today, no deaths. Deaths remaining low there despite the large case load

UK now seeing 378 COVID hospitalisations per day vs 3000 per day at April peak
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51768274

Oranage2

I don't get why people are mocking the toy store situation. We've people crying that the economy is ruined and then when people actually start spending they're labeled as fools. Can't win in this country.

is_that_so

Sardonicat wrote: »

It is the government's responsibility to increase ICU capacity

No, it's the HSE's. The government just gives them the money.

shmeee

landofthetree wrote: »

Yes.

Level 3

Restaurants and cafes (including bars/pubs serving food) may remain open for take-away and delivery and outdoor dining to a maximum of 15 people.

The wording on that has changed a bit. Between so many graphics around and then what's on GOV.ie.

"Up to and including no indoor dining"

polesheep

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Maybe the case on some, but in Limerick, cork & Galway student accommodation is full and plenty big house parties on going

But are any of these students clogging up the ICUs? And before you say "Bring it home to vulnerable people"... they haven't gone home yet.

hmmm

Kiith wrote: »

That's an extremely dangerous path to walk down.

I don't disagree, but I'm talking in the context of groups of people who have invented vague "Constitutional rights" in their heads which are unlikely to hold up in court.

If we have to shut down a sporting club or pub using public health laws, let's do that. It'll be 12 to 18 months by the time it has gone through the courts, if they really want to take it that far. Similarly let's fine home-owners who have house parties now in breach of our public health laws.

eagle eye

Oranage2 wrote:

I don't get why people are mocking the toy store situation. We've people crying that the economy is ruined and then when people actually start spending they're labeled as fools. Can't win in this country.

I think they are laughing at unnecessary panic buying.

is_that_so

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Our Health Minister gone quiet, anything also from Paul Reid of HSE?

He tweets a good bit. On this report.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/1005/1169441-coronavirus-ireland/

spookwoman

929 positives (2 days worth) not helping % week positives gone up to 3.6% as well.

tobefrank321

Blondini wrote: »

So a bunch of non-medical suits have ignored doctors orders on our behalf?

Sounds great.

Look up Nphet members. A fair number of them have no medical training and are non clinicians. Only 2 would be considered infectious disease experts.

Most have responsibility for resources in public health. Instead of requesting more resources months ago for an obvious second wave, they requested nothing. Now they've been caught out and they opt for the nuclear option.

suicide_circus

The HSE has been a ****ing circus since day one back in 2005.

ACitizenErased

Boggles wrote: »

List of HSE members who make up NPHET.



To suggest they weren't consulted is pretty hilarious.

Without the meeting minutes you have no idea whether the HSE was present or not.

Reckless Abandonment

polesheep wrote: »

That's actually quite a shocking thing to occur in a democracy.

Yes and no. It kind of shows that they are just saying it how it is (how they feel it is) it appears they are happy to side line everyone and just say what needs to be done to deal with the virus.

GooglePlus

GooglePlus wrote: »

Didn't NPHET recommend level 4 for Dublin a few weeks ago but the government rejected?

bazermc wrote: »

Did indeed - seems to have been forgotten about now

So they were wrong to reject that approach then and now are going against them again. Interesting to see how this works out

quartz1

Ok well this day become a defining day in the history of Ireland ....the day three Political Parties signed their own death warrants ...how will the electorate feel as we live through the next few months haunted by the suspicion some things could have been avoided

eagle eye

ACitizenErased wrote:

Without the meeting minutes you have no idea whether the HSE was present or not.

Just admit you were wrong and move on.

suicide_circus

Mary Lou would have known what to do!!

titan18

spookwoman wrote: »

929 positives (2 days worth) not helping % week positives gone up to 3.6% as well.

That's 5- 600ish today then

Ger Roe

Oranage2 wrote: »

I don't get why people are mocking the toy store situation. We've people crying that the economy is ruined and then when people actually start spending they're labeled as fools. Can't win in this country.

Come on now... you can't have missed the point that badly?

polesheep

Kiith wrote: »

That's an extremely dangerous path to walk down.

Exactly. It could just as easily be read as; "Let people complain about their "Constitutional rights". We can deal with them later.

584Wtr

https:// www. rte.ie/news/world/2020/1005/1169604-who-covid-spread/

This would mean that 780 million people have been infected worldwide.

If the 1.04 million worldwide covid death total is correct, then the mortality rate is roughly 0.13%.

JP Liz V1

shmeee wrote: »

The wording on that has changed a bit. Between so many graphics around and then what's on GOV.ie.

"Up to and including no indoor dining"

Anyone want to explain the levels plan again, short and simple please

Funsterdelux

quartz1 wrote: »

Ok well this day become a defining day in the history of Ireland ....the day three Political Parties signed their own death warrants ...how will the electorate feel as we live through the next few months haunted by the suspicion some things could have been avoided

Give them 10 years, all forgiven