Teen with no priors gets 4 month suspended sentence for selling cannabis

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Putting police and court resources into a few grams of weed is clearly a hysterical waste of time but something tells me this particular individual isn't the posterboy you're looking for.

Queasy Tadpole

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

Yes, ignore the drugs and let the Gardai do some ****ing actual work for once.



Solve some actual crimes. Useless dregs the lot of them.

Ignore the heroin dealer outside the school? You are just trolling now.

The FNG

The FNG wrote: »

Not at all. A drug dealer got convicted, how is that bad?

Because I have several decades of evidence backing up the fact that the War on Drugs has been an unmitigated disaster.

How has that conviction made anyone safer?

It's time to get drugs off the streets and into the hands of reputable purveyors.

Fakediamond

s1ippy wrote: »

He still gets a conviction that will follow him throughout his life for an error of judgement made in his teens. There wouldn't be the same avenue for making that mistake if the sale of cannabis was regulated.

Exactly, teens usually arrange for one of them to score the cannabis for the group for the weekend, calling that person a dealer is a stretch. But once a naive person tells a guard it was for him and his friends, he’s a dealer in the eyes of the law.

Regarding the value, Gardai value cannabis at the per joint price, thereby grossly inflating the value, which could have been as low as 40/50e. That’s the system we currently have, whether people agree or not. I assume he’ll appeal the sentence.

Im melting away

Im melting away wrote: »

Thank you!

That's some gravy train, no wonder there's nothing about tolerance of cannabis, which would be less harmful than alcohol if it wasn't illegal and in criminal hands.

If you're conviction of possession for your own use, it expires after 7 years, is it the same for possession with intent to supply?

How's it s gravy train when only the defendants side profit?

All the other parts are being paid a set wage regardless

Fakediamond

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Open to correction but I think the conviction gets wiped after 5 years when there was no jail time.

Depends on the offence.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Because I have several decades of evidence backing up the fact that the War on Drugs has been an unmitigated disaster.

How has that conviction made anyone safer?

It's time to get drugs off the streets and into the hands of reputable purveyors.

You advocate for legal crack cocaine and heroin?

You seriously think licensing drugs will;

A, result in criminals leaving the industry
B, result in safer drugs
C, result in fair trade cultivating
D, reduce Garda, customs and court time and effort
E, actually none of this but YOU want your recreational habit

Fakediamond

Fakediamond wrote: »

Exactly, teens usually arrange for one of them to score the cannabis for the group for the weekend, calling that person a dealer is a stretch. But once a naive person tells a guard it was for him and his friends, he’s a dealer in the eyes of the law.

Regarding the value, Gardai value cannabis at the per joint price, thereby grossly inflating the value, which could have been as low as 40/50e. That’s the system we currently have, whether people agree or not. I assume he’ll appeal the sentence.

He is a dealer. He admitted he was selling. He was seen selling.

And no, that's not how Gardai estimate because it's the forensic lab that decides the numbers and that's based on their own mathematical analysis.

tjhook

I imagine the real impact of his conviction is that he'll find it very difficult to ever travel to countries like the US. But that's not a reason for us to ignore our laws. Other countries have a right to deny people access for stuff like this.

If you break laws you accept the risk of being punished. Or in this case, not being punished. He was breaking a law in order to make a quick buck. Zero sympathy. It's not like he broke a law against his sexual orientation or for sitting at the front of a bus. Or even for being an addict shooting up.

Im melting away

Im melting away wrote: »

Totally agree with you, if anything that conviction would probably make you say fck it I've a conviction anyway what harm can more do, address has a big part to play in getting a conviction or not for small amounts of illegal drugs, or if you're importing heroin and a Garda informer that's ok though.

The whole system re illegal drugs is fcked, legslateers, guards, courts, solicitors, addiction treatment, one fcked up circular gravy train that'll win the war on drugs.

What nonsense.

His address? The last 2 cases I read about involved the son of a solicitor living in Dublin 4 and a famous chefs son.

Again I ask how it's a gravy train when only the defence is making a profit.

But yeah, because a conviction may result in a criminal continuing to commit crime, let's never convict anyone

Rubberchikken

I'm glad he got some conviction.
So it follows him around for ever.
The hope would be that he sees sense and cops on but as an idiotic dealer and maybe, user, I don't hold any hope.

Fools do/sell drugs.

Queasy Tadpole

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Ignore the heroin dealer outside the school? You are just trolling now.

How much do you know about the drug trade?


You think heroin dealers are outside schools? Come on now.


The war on drugs is failure across the entire planet and Ireland is certainly no different. Gardai resources are being wasted on a daily basis while the real criminals are roaming the streets without a bother.

Queasy Tadpole

Rubberchikken wrote: »

I'm glad he got some conviction.
So it follows him around for ever.
The hope would be that he sees sense and cops on but as an idiotic dealer and maybe, user, I don't hold any hope.

Fools do/sell drugs.

What a ****ing stupid post. So a young lad a 19 should have his entire life ****ed for selling a PLANT? Are you for real?


This lad could have grown the stuff himself, sold to a friend and got nabbed by some clown of a Gardai. He's effecting no one and your glad his life is now pretty much ****ed?

Rezident

Judging by the stink of wacky tobaccy on the boardwalk yesterday (and every other day in Dublin) the cops are opening ignoring it, and rightly so. They have much better things to be doing.


Once again the law here is is behind the times and hundreds of millions of Euros that should be taxed and going to revenue, instead goes to criminal gangs. 63 countries have already decriminalised it and all the lies we were told that would happen when they did so have failed to materialise Idiocy.

Im melting away

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

How's it s gravy train when only the defendants side profit?

All the other parts are being paid a set wage regardless

To answer my own question further back.

"The following convictions become spent after 7 years:

All convictions in the District Court for motoring offences except for convictions for dangerous driving which are limited to a single conviction
All convictions in the District Court for minor public order offences
A single conviction (other than a motoring or public order offence) in the District Court which resulted in a term of prison term of 12 months or less (or a fine)
These convictions become spent 7 years from the date the sentence became operative, as long as you have complied with the sentence or order imposed.

The Act does not apply to any conviction for a sexual offence or an offence which was tried in the Central Criminal Court. These offences cannot become spent convictions."

The jobs, backhanders, you scratch their back they'll scratch yours, it's a fcked up system, between the guards, judges, solicitors, cushy number.

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

What nonsense.

His address? The last 2 cases I read about involved the son of a solicitor living in Dublin 4 and a famous chefs son.

Again I ask how it's a gravy train when only the defence is making a profit.

But yeah, because a conviction may result in a criminal continuing to commit crime, let's never convict anyone

Your home address has a part to play whether you're convicted of minor crime.

Who's the solicitor or a link please?

Chef son was kilo's, not a few grams.

No guards are on overtimes? No cushy numbers for family members of family members to jobs?

This is about a few grams of weed not other serious crimes, why convict? Why not try to offer treatment if there's issues re a drug? Why not sentence him to a 3 month 6 month course?

Fakediamond

woodenwonder wrote: »

I don't agree with getting away with first crime. It's like a crime academy. Off you try not get caught but if you do you'll be ok, gives you time to get good at it before you have any consequences!

I wouldn't care what class of person committed the crime, same punishment either way!

The system definitely doesn’t work like that! It’s much easier to prosecute poor people, they mostly just plead guilty. Better off people don’t regularly get stopped and searched and are free to pursue their drug use as a personal preference, rather than it being seen as a menace to society.

Truthvader

Big picture. If you are involved in selling hash you are in the criminal food chain that leads all the way up to the Kinihans past the dead bodies and the hoards of eejits pissing their opportunities away in stupid herds of dopes saying "maaaaan" at the end of every sentence. Its a losers game beginning to end. Its illegal because it wastes talent and energy

And before the "but alcohol" mob wade in. Everyone agrees with you but it is too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Alcohol is a factor in about 90% of violent crime, a huge factor in family issues and a significant factor in mental and physical health issues failed business' etc etc. Never seen hash improve anyone

Fakediamond

I really hope none of your kids get caught with drugs. So many young people experiment with drugs and go on to live respectable, middle class, productive lives afterwards. If they are unlucky enough to pick up a drug conviction for a charge of sale or supply, their lives are completely derailed.

I must move in some very dodgy middle class circles cos I know loads of kids who smoke, or have smoked weed, take ecstasy, been disgracefully, rowdily drunk, but lucky enough they have parents with cars, who’ll pick them up and whisk them away before consequences can be imposed. It’s very easy to be criminalised when you don’t have money or connections. That’s just a reality, guards know that too.

The system needs a steady stream of perpetrators to keep everyone employed, guards, prison officers, probation officers, court staff, solicitors, barristers, I’m sure I’m leaving someone out!

We should be like the Chinese and the Cubans and execute drug dealers of all kinds. No more soft touch nonsense. You can't deal drugs if you're dead. That'll sort the problem right out.

endainoz

Truthvader wrote: »

Big picture. If you are involved in selling hash you are in the criminal food chain that leads all the way up to the Kinihans past the dead bodies and the hoards of eejits pissing their opportunities away in stupid herds of dopes saying "maaaaan" at the end of every sentence. Its a losers game beginning to end. Its illegal because it wastes talent and energy

And before the "but alcohol" mob wade in. Everyone agrees with you but it is too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Alcohol is a factor in about 90% of violent crime, a huge factor in family issues and a significant factor in mental and physical health issues failed business' etc etc. Never seen hash improve anyone

Would you consider someone bootlegging in prohibition era america a drug dealer? This is the problem with people's perception comparing someone with a tiny amount of weed to a heroin dealer. Don't consider weed a drug by the way, have absolutely no time for the other stuff (powder etc) but to each their own.

The argument about funding gangs can easily be countered with the things people buy legally, electronic devices with batteries made on essentially slavery, fast fashion made from sweat shops etc. I'm not going on a high horse here, but just because you buy something legally dosent leave you free from being tied to some form of human misery.

Im melting away

Im melting away wrote: »

To answer my own question further back.

"The following convictions become spent after 7 years:

All convictions in the District Court for motoring offences except for convictions for dangerous driving which are limited to a single conviction
All convictions in the District Court for minor public order offences
A single conviction (other than a motoring or public order offence) in the District Court which resulted in a term of prison term of 12 months or less (or a fine)
These convictions become spent 7 years from the date the sentence became operative, as long as you have complied with the sentence or order imposed.

The Act does not apply to any conviction for a sexual offence or an offence which was tried in the Central Criminal Court. These offences cannot become spent convictions."

The jobs, backhanders, you scratch their back they'll scratch yours, it's a fcked up system, between the guards, judges, solicitors, cushy number.




Your home address has a part to play whether you're convicted of minor crime.

Who's the solicitor or a link please?

Chef son was kilo's, not a few grams.

No guards are on overtimes? No cushy numbers for family members of family members to jobs?

This is about a few grams of weed not other serious crimes, why convict? Why not try to offer treatment if there's issues re a drug? Why not sentence him to a 3 month 6 month course?

your address has **** all to do with it. **** all.

Amount is irrelevant, again I will say it so many it sinks in. Dealing is dealing is ****ing dealing. It's a crime. It's not a profit making decision. The Justice system is not run by Ryanair or apple.

Some Gardai are on overtime. No idea what imaginary family jobs to see talking about. Enlighten us oh wise one.

He was prosecuted for dealing, again FOR DEALING. What ****ing courses? 'don't commit crime' course? Or is he addicted to dealing?

Sentence him to a course. Listen to yourself! That's still a sentence, a worse one that he actually got!

Yuu obviously know nothing about the system being what you are mates have decided.

Oh I forgot the cases, here ya go

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/leaving-cert-party-host-told-gardai-get-a-warrant-they-did-and-now-hes-in-court-on-drugs-charge-30123285.html

Queasy Tadpole

I'm floored by some of the posts here.

It's nearly 2021 and people still have these views about drugs/drug users? Especially cannabis... it is a PLANT. If you smoke it you become docile, happy, hungry.... and posters are glad that people are being given convictions and sent to prison for a plant?!

Mind boggling.

Queasy Tadpole

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

How much do you know about the drug trade?


You think heroin dealers are outside schools? Come on now.


The war on drugs is failure across the entire planet and Ireland is certainly no different. Gardai resources are being wasted on a daily basis while the real criminals are roaming the streets without a bother.

Again, Google says to haven't a clue what to are talking about.

Here's the very first one,real enough?
https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0911/1164661-barr-murder-conviction/

And yes, drug dealers are in the vicinity of schools. And churches and addiction centres.

I know a lot about it, investigating it is my job and to suggest legalising will have a positive effect is naive in the extreme.

Queasy Tadpole

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

I'm floored by some of the posts here.

It's nearly 2021 and people still have these views about drugs/drug users? Especially cannabis... it is a PLANT. If you smoke it you become docile, happy, hungry.... and posters are glad that people are being given convictions and sent to prison for a plant?!

Mind boggling.

Enough with this liberal nonsense. It's not the 1960's anymore. Grow up from that silly "aww poor drug dealer" thinking. Cannabis is far deadlier than people realise. I know plenty of people who were changed completely once they began inhaling that horrible "plant". Nothing good ever comes from drugs as much as you liberal idiots like to keep claiming. Join us in the real world when you have a chance.

Feisar

Queasy Tadpole wrote: »

What a ****ing stupid post. So a young lad a 19 should have his entire life ****ed for selling a PLANT? Are you for real?


This lad could have grown the stuff himself, sold to a friend and got nabbed by some clown of a Gardai. He's effecting no one and your glad his life is now pretty much ****ed?

And we were all whinging last week about a Deliveroo courier that was mowed down. Zero tolerance to the barnacles that leech off society, this is where one starts. Next time he's up he has a prior.

Truthvader

Truthvader wrote: »

Big picture. If you are involved in selling hash you are in the criminal food chain that leads all the way up to the Kinihans past the dead bodies and the hoards of eejits pissing their opportunities away in stupid herds of dopes saying "maaaaan" at the end of every sentence. Its a losers game beginning to end. Its illegal because it wastes talent and energy

And before the "but alcohol" mob wade in. Everyone agrees with you but it is too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Alcohol is a factor in about 90% of violent crime, a huge factor in family issues and a significant factor in mental and physical health issues failed business' etc etc. Never seen hash improve anyone

You'll be tore apart for making a sensible post.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Truthvader wrote: »

Big picture. If you are involved in selling hash you are in the criminal food chain that leads all the way up to the Kinihans past the dead bodies and the hoards of eejits pissing their opportunities away in stupid herds of dopes saying "maaaaan" at the end of every sentence. Its a losers game beginning to end. Its illegal because it wastes talent and energy

And before the "but alcohol" mob wade in. Everyone agrees with you but it is too late to put that genie back in the bottle. Alcohol is a factor in about 90% of violent crime, a huge factor in family issues and a significant factor in mental and physical health issues failed business' etc etc. Never seen hash improve anyone

Everyone agrees that something that is a factor in 90% of violent crime (citation?) is what exactly....?

And why did it have improve someone?

Truthvader

endainoz wrote: »

Would you consider someone bootlegging in prohibition era america a drug dealer? This is the problem with people's perception comparing someone with a tiny amount of weed to a heroin dealer. Don't consider weed a drug by the way, have absolutely no time for the other stuff (powder etc) but to each their own.

The argument about funding gangs can easily be countered with the things people buy legally, electronic devices with batteries made on essentially slavery, fast fashion made from sweat shops etc. I'm not going on a high horse here, but just because you buy something legally dosent leave you free from being tied to some form of human misery.

Its illegal. Full stop. No-one cares what you "consider" small bit of hash; small sentence. Heroin bigger sentence. You obey the law thats how normal societies are normal

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You'll be tore apart for making a up a statistic and not actually manning a point.

FYP.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Everyone agrees that something that is a factor in 90% of violent crime (citation?) is what exactly....?

And why did it have improve someone?

I dunno what the second part of your post means, but the first part; he's saying those that are saying alcohol should be banned, are generally right.