All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Just like the fact when there weren't 120k covid deaths in Ireland we're supposed to believe it's proof all covid measures worked.

But the covid measures were effective.

You guys were telling us how the measures were going to be the start of a giant global communist government.
What did you do to actually prevent this from happening?
Or were your predictions just completely wrong?
Or are you still clinging to the belief?

astrofool

King Mob wrote: »

But the covid measures were effective.

You guys were telling us how the measures were going to be the start of a giant global communist government.
What did you do to actually prevent this from happening?
Or were your predictions just completely wrong?
Or are you still clinging to the belief?

The interesting thing is that we actually have a control scenarios vs the lockdowns, the case and death rates of the UK pre-herd immunity turn around, Sweden vs. it's neighbours, Trumps USA vs Biden's USA, Bolsanaro's Brazil vs. neighbours, all the data is there and supports the measures. We even have data on how effective the different vaccinations are and how long they take to be effective and the effects of opening too soon, all in the public domain, it's kind of amazing (apart from the fact that so many people died from the disease )

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

But the covid measures were effective.

You guys were telling us how the measures were going to be the start of a giant global communist government.
What did you do to actually prevent this from happening?
Or were your predictions just completely wrong?
Or are you still clinging to the belief?

Would there have been 120k covid deaths if lockdown didn't happen? How many deaths did lockdowns prevent in Ireland 10k? 116k? 2k? 50k? None of the experts have been able to answer that. What happened to the videos of people dropping dead on the street in Wuhan?

Different people have different views not everyone who is anti restrictions believes it is the start of a global communist government.

The anti lockdown protests/activism were/are trying to prevent the "conspiracy". Maybe they haven't done a very good job because of a lack of support.

It remains to be seen but the prediction of 120k covid deaths in Ireland hasn't was wrong also

I'm not clinging to any belief. The only belief I have about is that it has been overblown by governments and mainstream media.

Pinch Flat

But still no one has pointed out which restrictions will be permanent.

silliussoddius

pearcider wrote: »

Thomas Jefferson wrote “the greatest calamity that could befall us would be submission to a government of unlimited powers”. The fear of rational free thinkers is that we are rapidly approaching that dark day.

There’s nothing rational about COVID conspiracy theories.

Guy:Incognito

GT89 wrote: »

Yeah they are but wait until a few months/weeks and they'll start talking about a new spike due to the Indian variant (vindaflu) or some other new variant and back to lockdown same as last year.

What is your rush to get people to stop wearing masks? Are you that desperate to get inside buildings and breath dirty air?
There are other things than covid that go around.

Public transport should have been mask zones for years. Horrible, sweaty, cramped places with people rubbing their germs all over each other.

Guy:Incognito

pearcider wrote: »

Thomas Jefferson wrote “the greatest calamity that could befall us would be submission to a government of unlimited powers”. The fear of rational free thinkers is that we are rapidly approaching that dark day.

A couple of years ago it was all "surveillance society " and we were all being tracked with cameras. Then, quick as a flash, the government have done a 180 and are now controlling us by getting us to cover our faces.

Wont someone think of the poor cctv camers............

GT89

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What is your rush to get people to stop wearing masks? Are you that desperate to get inside buildings and breath dirty air?
There are other things than covid that go around.

Public transport should have been mask zones for years. Horrible, sweaty, cramped places with people rubbing their germs all over each other.

You are still breathing in the same air if you wear a mask it doesn't do sh1t. The only type of mask that will stop you breathing in anything is a powered air purifying respirator (PAPR).

Did you wear a mask on public transport pre covid? If not why not? I commuted maskless by bus everyday pre covid and rarely got sick. People who believe public transport is breathing ground for viruses probably have weak immune systems.

Parachutes

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What is your rush to get people to stop wearing masks? Are you that desperate to get inside buildings and breath dirty air?
There are other things than covid that go around.

Public transport should have been mask zones for years. Horrible, sweaty, cramped places with people rubbing their germs all over each other.

Madness.

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Would there have been 120k covid deaths if lockdown didn't happen? How many deaths did lockdowns prevent in Ireland 10k? 116k? 2k? 50k? .

well first of all, who made this prediction, when and in what context?
Provide a link please.

GT89 wrote: »

Different people have different views not everyone who is anti restrictions believes it is the start of a global communist government..

Yet that's what's being claimed here on this thread.
And we've never seen any anti-restriction person tackle or even comment on these beliefs.

Are you saying that this claim isn't true?
Do you believe it is a reasonable thing to claim?
From past experience I will be very surprised to get direct answers to these questions.

GT89 wrote: »

The anti lockdown protests/activism were/are trying to prevent the "conspiracy". Maybe they haven't done a very good job because of a lack of support..

Or maybe it's because there isn't a conspiracy.

GT89 wrote: »

I'm not clinging to any belief. The only belief I have about is that it has been overblown by governments and mainstream media.

Ok. So what was the purpose of overblowing the pandemic?

GT89

King Mob wrote: »

well first of all, who made this prediction, when and in what context?
Provide a link please.

Sam McConkey
https://extra.ie/2020/03/09/news/irish-news/doctor-coronavirus-society-ireland-lives

Yet that's what's being claimed here on this thread.
And we've never seen any anti-restriction person tackle or even comment on these beliefs.

Are you saying that this claim isn't true?
Do you believe it is a reasonable thing to claim?
From past experience I will be very surprised to get direct answers to these questions.

It's not a claim I know much about. Although having read 1984 there are some resemblances with that book and what has happened over the last year.

Ok. So what was the purpose of overblowing the pandemic?

Money and power would be my belief. Government approval rates have improved in many countries such as the UK. And the wealthiest people in the world have gotten wealthier in the last year

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/apr/11/vaccine-boost-pushes-tories-approval-rating-on-covid-into-positive-territory
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/oct/07/covid-19-crisis-boosts-the-fortunes-of-worlds-billionaires

King Mob

GT89 wrote: »

Sam McConkey
https://extra.ie/2020/03/09/news/irish-news/doctor-coronavirus-society-ireland-lives
]

Cool thanks for the link.
But in it we see he said:

a worst-case scenario could see up to 120,000 people die and four million infected.

GT89 wrote: »

It's not a claim I know much about. Although having read 1984 there are some resemblances with that book and what has happened over the last year.

Yup as predicted, a waffling dodge of an answer.

GT89 wrote: »

Money and power would be my belief. Government approval rates have improved in many countries such as the UK. And the wealthiest people in the world have gotten wealthier in the last year

Ok. So did they create the virus to do this or...?
How did "overblowing" the virus achieve this?

The Nal

pearcider wrote: »

The fear of rational free thinkers is that we are rapidly approaching that dark day.

You think thats rational and free thinking? Seems rational free thinkers are just afraid of everything.

Anyway must dash, off into town to do some shopping. Shops are back open today FYI.

Dohnjoe

GT89 wrote: »

Would there have been 120k covid deaths if lockdown didn't happen? How many deaths did lockdowns prevent in Ireland 10k? 116k? 2k? 50k? None of the experts have been able to answer that.

Because a figure can't be put on it. This is complete whataboutery.

Different people have different views not everyone who is anti restrictions believes it is the start of a global communist government.

The anti lockdown protests/activism were/are trying to prevent the "conspiracy". Maybe they haven't done a very good job because of a lack of support.

What conspiracy?

1. It's a group of uninformed nutters and loons

or

2. They are aware of some secret conspiracy, so what's the conspiracy? If no conspiracy, then go to 1.

I'm not clinging to any belief. The only belief I have about is that it has been overblown by governments and mainstream media.

Is the belief and narrative you are clinging to. Which is why you repeatedly attempted to attack and cast doubt the pandemic in order to project your narrative.

pearcider

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

What is your rush to get people to stop wearing masks? Are you that desperate to get inside buildings and breath dirty air?
There are other things than covid that go around.

Public transport should have been mask zones for years. Horrible, sweaty, cramped places with people rubbing their germs all over each other.

That’s the kind of people we are dealing with here. The Branch Covidians. Remember there’s no going back to the old normal for these people. The disturbing fact is that a significant chunk of people want to be ruled by moral busy bodies. These people tend to be vocal and drawn into government politics and the media. All of this is quite predictable once you make the State your god and Statism your philosophy. I’ll leave it to Jefferson again.

“The concept of government is that the people grant to a small group of individuals the ability to establish and maintain controls over them. The inherent flaw in such a concept is that any government will invariably and continually expand upon its controls, resulting in the ever-diminishing freedom of those who granted them the power.”

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

That’s the kind of people we are dealing with here. The Branch Covidians. Remember there’s no going back to the old normal for these people. The disturbing fact is that a significant chunk of people want to be ruled by moral busy bodies. These people tend to be vocal and drawn into government politics and the media. All of this is quite predictable once you make the State your god and Statism your philosophy. I’ll leave it to Jefferson again.

“The concept of government is that the people grant to a small group of individuals the ability to establish and maintain controls over them. The inherent flaw in such a concept is that any government will invariably and continually expand upon its controls, resulting in the ever-diminishing freedom of those who granted them the power.”

Some people will continue to wear masks in crowded places because they don't want to deal with infectious illnesses. They've been doing it for decades in Asia.

Nothing to do with your bizarre political slant on it

King Mob

pearcider wrote: »

That’s the kind of people we are dealing with here. The Branch Covidians. Remember there’s no going back to the old normal for these people. The disturbing fact is that a significant chunk of people want to be ruled by moral busy bodies. These people tend to be vocal and drawn into government politics and the media. All of this is quite predictable once you make the State your god and Statism your philosophy. I’ll leave it to Jefferson again.

“The concept of government is that the people grant to a small group of individuals the ability to establish and maintain controls over them. The inherent flaw in such a concept is that any government will invariably and continually expand upon its controls, resulting in the ever-diminishing freedom of those who granted them the power.”

lol. What a bizarre rant. Just because you're quoting someone doesn't make your point suddenly good.

Could you please explain how and why you believe masks "control" people. Cause that claim is a lot more ridiculous than the stuff you seem to be ranting about.

Do you believe that masks are going to be permanent? If so, why?

Why do you believe that conspiracy theorists on this thread have been incapable of coherently explaining their position? Why do you believe they've have to constantly lie, misrepresent and completely misunderstand?

pearcider

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Some people will continue to wear masks in crowded places because they don't want to deal with infectious illnesses. They've been doing it for decades in Asia.

Nothing to do with your bizarre political slant on it

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases. But you’ve hit the nail on the head in a roundabout way. The global elite want us more like the subservient Chinese. Much easier to rule and less likely to question their superiors.

pearcider

King Mob wrote: »

lol. What a bizarre rant. Just because you're quoting someone doesn't make your point suddenly good.

Could you please explain how and why you believe masks "control" people. Cause that claim is a lot more ridiculous than the stuff you seem to be ranting about.

Do you believe that masks are going to be permanent? If so, why?

Why do you believe that conspiracy theorists on this thread have been incapable of coherently explaining their position? Why do you believe they've have to constantly lie, misrepresent and completely misunderstand?

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

King Mob

pearcider wrote: »

You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.

Yup. Dodging questions you can't answer with vague meaningless waffle.

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases.

Outright lie.

You've also just admitted that you can't explain how masks will make people subserviently.

Who do you think you're convincing with these claims and all this running away?

Also, I find it funny that you mean "questioning things" yet you don't seem to like people asking questions to you about your beliefs.
You seem very scared and reluctant to answer them honestly.
Why is that?

Fighting Tao

pearcider wrote: »

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases. But you’ve hit the nail on the head in a roundabout way. The global elite want us more like the subservient Chinese. Much easier to rule and less likely to question their superiors.

Evidence of masks not working please.

Dohnjoe

pearcider wrote: »

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases.

I suspect you know this is a lie, but to play along anyway

How does Covid spread from one person to another?

silliussoddius

King Mob wrote: »

Yup. Dodging questions you can't answer with vague meaningless waffle.


Outright lie.

You've also just admitted that you can't explain how masks will make people subserviently.

Who do you think you're convincing with these claims and all this running away?

Also, I find it funny that you mean "questioning things" yet you don't seem to like people asking questions to you about your beliefs.
You seem very scared and reluctant to answer them honestly.
Why is that?

Why do you think all those dentists and surgeons are so subservient? Check mate, skeptic!!

Pinch Flat

pearcider wrote: »

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases. But you’ve hit the nail on the head in a roundabout way. The global elite want us more like the subservient Chinese. Much easier to rule and less likely to question their superiors.

Unfortunately the overwhelming body of scientific evidence says other wise.

PintOfView

pearcider wrote: »

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases.

But, as others have said, masks do help prevent the spread of infection.
After a year of this being discussed how do you still not understand this?

Yes, simple cloth masks don't offer much protection to the wearer,
however they do help reduce the spread from an already infected person!

Why do you think operating theatre staff have been wearing face masks for 100 years?
see this from 2001 -> https://www.journalofhospitalinfection.com/article/S0195-6701(00)90912-5/fulltext
"The practice of wearing masks is believed to minimize the transmission of oro- and
nasopharyngeal bacteria from operating theatre staff to patients' wounds,
thereby decreasing the likelihood of postoperative surgical site infections"

pearcider wrote: »

But you’ve hit the nail on the head in a roundabout way.
The global elite want us more like the subservient Chinese.
Much easier to rule and less likely to question their superiors.

Sorry, but I think that is simply nonsense!
Do you think just because we wore masks for a year when entering shops,
and we may still do for a while yet,
that it's going to somehow make us subservient?

Will it make you more subservient?
Does wearing a seat belt make you subservient?
Does following other rules in society make you subservient?

How does following sensible advice make us subservient?

Guy:Incognito

pearcider wrote: »

Masks do nothing for infectious diseases. But you’ve hit the nail on the head in a roundabout way. The global elite want us more like the subservient Chinese. Much easier to rule and less likely to question their superiors.

Ah, a bit of the old casual racism. Everyone you see that looks Asian isnt Chinese.

You English are always at stuff like that...........

The Nal

Of all the silly phrases that have popped up in the last year or so, "The global elite" is up there with the most cringing.

King Mob

The Nal wrote: »

Of all the silly phrases that have popped up in the last year or so, "The global elite" is up there with the most cringing.

That and when people call face masks "Muzzles".

Pinch Flat

King Mob wrote: »

That and when people call face masks "Muzzles".

or nappies. I bet they wouldn't ask a doctor working on them to save their life to take off their face nappy.

Fighting Tao

France is lifting restrictions this week. Bars, restaurants etc are re-opening. So obviously all restrictions are not permanent.